Let's talk about guns...legal ones that is

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Thomas T

Florissant, MO

#1 Feb 7, 2013
I reread some my and the "Rev's" discussion (a polite name for it) and here comes the surprise.

My new job keeps me traveling a lot so amazing as it seems I bought a gun and my wife and I are taking firearm lessons/safety. Havent decided about qualification for a CCW yet but don't think I'll do that.

I might have made a mistake in choice though even though I did do a lot of research. Heres what I bought, a Taurus Judge. I'm not having any problems but my wife who is pretty small feels it way too much gun. The dealer said I can exchange if for a Taurus Slim or Ultralight (yeah I want to stay with that maker). Not too keen on the "slim" as she doesn't feel comfortable with an auto. I don't know if that would be a better option then her sticking with the Judge until she gets used to it.

Any input "Rev"? Or anyone who's interested.
TTU

Saint Louis, MO

#2 Feb 7, 2013
Very nice. I would strongly urge that you and your wife go through the CCW classes even if you don't ultimately get the permit.

After my classes my alertness to danger in public settings has really improved and both my wife and I have seen a lot of things that we likely would not have noticed had we not taken the class.

I now use my camera phone often to take shots of suspicious characters and cars. I have even taken photos of the same suspicious guy several times at about the same location in the CWE and now recognize his walk and stature.

As another advantage of the CCW classes, your instructor will likely have a variety of hardware that both of you can try out. You will likely find that other women will be in the class and your wife will have an opportunity to get the female perspective. You will also benefit from the follow up range and personal safety sessions where folks can exchange info and try out more weapons.

I too have a Judge and see a lot of females even pretty petite ones, doing well with it. Only range time will tell for your wife.

Good luck.
Proccw

O Fallon, MO

#3 Feb 7, 2013
Thomas T wrote:
I reread some my and the "Rev's" discussion (a polite name for it) and here comes the surprise.
My new job keeps me traveling a lot so amazing as it seems I bought a gun and my wife and I are taking firearm lessons/safety. Havent decided about qualification for a CCW yet but don't think I'll do that.
I might have made a mistake in choice though even though I did do a lot of research. Heres what I bought, a Taurus Judge. I'm not having any problems but my wife who is pretty small feels it way too much gun. The dealer said I can exchange if for a Taurus Slim or Ultralight (yeah I want to stay with that maker). Not too keen on the "slim" as she doesn't feel comfortable with an auto. I don't know if that would be a better option then her sticking with the Judge until she gets used to it.
Any input "Rev"? Or anyone who's interested.
I'm a med small framed female and I carry the Taurus pro slim 9. I can conceal it IWB using the REMORA clip less holster. I wear skinny jeans and fairly tight tops. I love it. I also have a flashbang type holster to wear under mynshirt between the tatas. I choose the pro slim for the slim profile. It is accurate and never jams. I am jealous because I want the Judge, but would agree it is not the best grip for my hands. Judge would be a good house gun. I prefer an auto mainly for the ease in lloading and firing. I also feel an auto it is a safer gun to carry. I never carry it chambered and alway have the safty on. I practice drawing,unseated and rack in one swoop. Not sure what Safties are on the judge but non of my revolvers have any Safties at all.
CSM1

Saint Peters, MO

#4 Feb 8, 2013
Proccw wrote:
<quoted text>I'm a med small framed female and I carry the Taurus pro slim 9. I can conceal it IWB using the REMORA clip less holster. I wear skinny jeans and fairly tight tops. I love it. I also have a flashbang type holster to wear under mynshirt between the tatas. I choose the pro slim for the slim profile. It is accurate and never jams. I am jealous because I want the Judge, but would agree it is not the best grip for my hands. Judge would be a good house gun. I prefer an auto mainly for the ease in lloading and firing. I also feel an auto it is a safer gun to carry. I never carry it chambered and alway have the safty on. I practice drawing,unseated and rack in one swoop. Not sure what Safties are on the judge but non of my revolvers have any Safties at all.
Take a look at S&W five shot,hammer-less,snub 38. Hammer is concealed so no worry about it catching on anything,not firing unless your squeezing,no need for a safety,your finger is the safety. Kel-Tec also makes a nice CCW. Again,no safety,9mm,ten rounds,concealed hammer also,and again,your finger is the safety.
Might I suggest that you always chamber a round,the bad guy isn't going to wait for you to rack one.Most self defense action will take place within a five to ten foot perimeter,any shooting in such a small area is purely reactionary,no time to take a shooting stance and sight your target,you better be ready to point and shoot. Much will be going through the mind at this millisecond so you better have a good feel for what you're about to do.
hardhead

Saint Louis, MO

#5 Feb 8, 2013
i have many handguns, but if you are only going to have one gun i would make it a 22 cal. just for the simple fact is you can go ammo is cheap and you can afford to go out and shoot it offen and get good with it, then buy something bigger for you ccw. a 22 cal. will stop most people if you hit them.
Thomas T

Florissant, MO

#9 Feb 8, 2013
hardhead wrote:
i have many handguns, but if you are only going to have one gun i would make it a 22 cal. just for the simple fact is you can go ammo is cheap and you can afford to go out and shoot it offen and get good with it, then buy something bigger for you ccw. a 22 cal. will stop most people if you hit them.
That's something to think about, but are 22s accurate from a distance? I don't mean yards or anything but don't you need to be really close to the target to assure a hit.

Geez, I'm starting to sound like a pitiful version of Dirty Harry.

BTW, I'd just like to add the post with my moniker on it in another forum, something about beating on people isn't mine. So whoever (whomever?) is using my handle...**** off. That's why I wish this site made you log in so idiots can't post stuff under someone else's handle.
Thomas T

Florissant, MO

#10 Feb 8, 2013
TTU wrote:
Very nice. I would strongly urge that you and your wife go through the CCW classes even if you don't ultimately get the permit.
After my classes my alertness to danger in public settings has really improved and both my wife and I have seen a lot of things that we likely would not have noticed had we not taken the class.
I now use my camera phone often to take shots of suspicious characters and cars. I have even taken photos of the same suspicious guy several times at about the same location in the CWE and now recognize his walk and stature.
As another advantage of the CCW classes, your instructor will likely have a variety of hardware that both of you can try out. You will likely find that other women will be in the class and your wife will have an opportunity to get the female perspective. You will also benefit from the follow up range and personal safety sessions where folks can exchange info and try out more weapons.
I too have a Judge and see a lot of females even pretty petite ones, doing well with it. Only range time will tell for your wife.
Good luck.
Thanks, I'll discuss it with her but neither of us, right now anyway feel very confortable about carrying any gun outside the house. Maybe when we get more training we or at least I will feel differently.

Still have a lot to learn about the whole deal, especially what the difference is in the ammo (I guess that should be load).
hardhead

Saint Louis, MO

#12 Feb 8, 2013
Reverend Vegas wrote:
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Firing a .38 snub is like setting off a firecracker in your hand...not a great girl gun.
DAO handguns are very safe and the Beretta 92 DAO is among the most reliable and cost affective. There is better...but they cost mucho dinero.
i had a s&w 38 airweight 5 shot, man did that thing hurt your hand when you pulled the trigger. is was small though and good to carry, but was was not very accurate with the little 2 inch barrel. i like my 1911 colt 45 cal. although it's a bit large.
TTU

Saint Louis, MO

#13 Feb 8, 2013
Thomas T wrote:
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Thanks, I'll discuss it with her but neither of us, right now anyway feel very confortable about carrying any gun outside the house. Maybe when we get more training we or at least I will feel differently.
Still have a lot to learn about the whole deal, especially what the difference is in the ammo (I guess that should be load).
As you please. You don't have to actually carry, or even get the CCW. But the gun handling aspects of the (good) training will help during threat situations in the home and just day to day activities while you are gone, like taking out the trash after dark, investigating sounds in your house, etc. Also the personal safety stuff is very good, like learning techniques for evaluating your safety in public areas, formulating escape if threatened in parking lots and garages, and even opening your own garage door at night or entering the basement.

If you have a garage you should check that it is secure every night. If you have an automatic garage door, if you close it while still in the car, a person can crawl or roll into the garage unseen before the door starts to close. If you close the door after you enter the house, they can step over the beam and enter, or they can interrupt the beam and the door will remain open and you may not know it. Stray animals can also interrupt the beam leaving the door open. Our CCW instructor played a game with us where he snuck into a garage several times and it was eye opening. Most basement windows can also be opened silently unfortunately.

Its all about reducing risk and not making yourself a target.
Thomas T

Florissant, MO

#14 Feb 8, 2013
TTU wrote:
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As you please. You don't have to actually carry, or even get the CCW. But the gun handling aspects of the (good) training will help during threat situations in the home and just day to day activities while you are gone, like taking out the trash after dark, investigating sounds in your house, etc. Also the personal safety stuff is very good, like learning techniques for evaluating your safety in public areas, formulating escape if threatened in parking lots and garages, and even opening your own garage door at night or entering the basement.
If you have a garage you should check that it is secure every night. If you have an automatic garage door, if you close it while still in the car, a person can crawl or roll into the garage unseen before the door starts to close. If you close the door after you enter the house, they can step over the beam and enter, or they can interrupt the beam and the door will remain open and you may not know it. Stray animals can also interrupt the beam leaving the door open. Our CCW instructor played a game with us where he snuck into a garage several times and it was eye opening. Most basement windows can also be opened silently unfortunately.
Its all about reducing risk and not making yourself a target.
Thanks. A lot of good stuff to think about especially the garage safety. I guess I should start researching a smaller weapon for my lady too. There's so many options and I am totally clueless at this point. Keeping the Judge though, guess it's just my machismo taking over my brain cells.
Thomas T

Florissant, MO

#15 Feb 8, 2013
Reverend Vegas wrote:
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Plenty accurate out to 50 yrds...Way more than you'll need in a home situation.
Thanks, I'll start checking out .22s this weekend. I think the Judge is way too much for my wife, but I gotta admit I really get a kick out of firing that thing. Pretty sure I'll keep though, more for the fun of shooting it then anything. Yeah, I know that sounds childish but it's the truth.
hardhead

Saint Louis, MO

#17 Feb 8, 2013
that judge is wicked, good gun for the house. just teach the ol,lady to hang on to it.
TTU

Saint Louis, MO

#18 Feb 8, 2013
Reverend Vegas wrote:
Hell yeah the Judge is a keeper. 45 Colt is a nice solid round. Can you switch them up though? I little pepper and then WHAM!
It takes 410s also. Do you mean to use shotgun shells or some kind of pepper shell?--if so that's a new one on me.
TTU

Saint Louis, MO

#19 Feb 8, 2013
Thomas T wrote:
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Thanks, I'll start checking out .22s this weekend. I think the Judge is way too much for my wife, but I gotta admit I really get a kick out of firing that thing. Pretty sure I'll keep though, more for the fun of shooting it then anything. Yeah, I know that sounds childish but it's the truth.
I don't know about .22s for personal defense. I would consult a good CCW person on that--not just someone who is selling stuff--or some blowhard on these posts like me.

I presume you know you can get special 410 home defense shotgun rounds for your Judge. Another thought and probably a better one is a real shotgun. They now make 410s and all gauges of home defense shotguns, and also tacticals. I have one under my bed in its own cannister all ready to go. They are as cheap as a .22.

Keep in mind though at close range shotguns are not like in Pulp Fiction, they fire a pretty tight pattern.
TTU

Saint Louis, MO

#20 Feb 8, 2013
Thomas T wrote:
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Thanks, I'll start checking out .22s this weekend. I think the Judge is way too much for my wife, but I gotta admit I really get a kick out of firing that thing. Pretty sure I'll keep though, more for the fun of shooting it then anything. Yeah, I know that sounds childish but it's the truth.
You know something else you might look into is a video system for your house. I have several cameras both regular and infrared, including a couple of hidden pinhole models outside. They all record to a separate server I have squirreled away and it uploads to my cloud storage. I can look at images any time via the web. They also make a model you can pan and zoom remotely.

I recall that Lowes now has some simple consumer models for just a couple hundred bucks that you can network.
Thomas T

Florissant, MO

#21 Feb 11, 2013
TTU wrote:
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You know something else you might look into is a video system for your house. I have several cameras both regular and infrared, including a couple of hidden pinhole models outside. They all record to a separate server I have squirreled away and it uploads to my cloud storage. I can look at images any time via the web. They also make a model you can pan and zoom remotely.
I recall that Lowes now has some simple consumer models for just a couple hundred bucks that you can network.
I have seen those at a couple of catalogs and have been giving it some thought. We do have motion sensor lights that oscillate when they are activated. Those are on the front and back of the garage and the end of the house in the backyard.

I did think about shotguns as home protection but I don't know if my lady could handle one of those unless they have changed a lot since the last time I checked which was a long, long time ago.

I hate sounding like I am one of those Montana survivalist or whatever they call themselves but it seems like something "bad" happens everyday.

Thanks for all the advice I can sure use it.
Thomas T

Florissant, MO

#22 Feb 11, 2013
TTU wrote:
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It takes 410s also. Do you mean to use shotgun shells or some kind of pepper shell?--if so that's a new one on me.
Right now it is loaded with shotgun shells (no kids at home so it's safe). I have no idea what pepper shell means. Is that something I should read up on and consider?
handgun pro

Alton, IL

#23 Feb 11, 2013
Finding the right gun for a woman is a difficult process. Most guys want to arm them with guns that are to big or calibers that are to strong. Ive seen some people say that the ruger lcp is a good option for a woman because the gun is small and the 380 is manageable. However, they fail to realize that the personal protection 380 ammo is pretty hot, and when used in a lightweight polymer frame gun without a dual captive recoil spring, the recoil can be quite stiff. Others suggest a small frame revolver in 38 special. My issues with this particular type of weapon, is that the standard 38 special round doesnt have much ballistic quality, and use of enhanced pressure loads can be to much on a small woman. I would suggest a gun like a BERSA THUNDER 380 or a kahr cw9. The bersa has an aluminum frame that saves weight, yet still has the heavier spring to tame the hot 380 loads. It also has a decocker as well as da/sa capabilities. The price is good on these as well. The kahr is polymer frame but uses a much better recoil absorbing spring, therefore easing the blow of the 9mm luger. Both have very good reputations, and are very reliable. If anyone has any questions on what handguns would fit their needs, dont hesitate to email me. Cardinaltat@gmail.com...i will be happy to point you in the right direction.
hardhead

Saint Louis, MO

#24 Mar 2, 2013
guns and ammo are getting harder to find, but i think this will stop once people stop freaking out on the goverment trying to take our guns.anyone deciding to get a ccw permit, just remember the gun is your friend and first line of defense. when the crime happens it's gonna be you and the thug while the cops will be there after the you call them. so keep your guns close by it's the beat friend you have.
Proccw

O Fallon, MO

#25 Mar 4, 2013
handgun pro wrote:
Finding the right gun for a woman is a difficult process. Most guys want to arm them with guns that are to big or calibers that are to strong. Ive seen some people say that the ruger lcp is a good option for a woman because the gun is small and the 380 is manageable. However, they fail to realize that the personal protection 380 ammo is pretty hot, and when used in a lightweight polymer frame gun without a dual captive recoil spring, the recoil can be quite stiff. Others suggest a small frame revolver in 38 special. My issues with this particular type of weapon, is that the standard 38 special round doesnt have much ballistic quality, and use of enhanced pressure loads can be to much on a small woman. I would suggest a gun like a BERSA THUNDER 380 or a kahr cw9. The bersa has an aluminum frame that saves weight, yet still has the heavier spring to tame the hot 380 loads. It also has a decocker as well as da/sa capabilities. The price is good on these as well. The kahr is polymer frame but uses a much better recoil absorbing spring, therefore easing the blow of the 9mm luger. Both have very good reputations, and are very reliable. If anyone has any questions on what handguns would fit their needs, dont hesitate to email me. Cardinaltat@gmail.com...i will be happy to point you in the right direction.
Female wardrobe does not bode well for concealed carry. I believe purse or ankle carry are not consistent or safe. I found compact a slim 9 (less than 1 inch wide). I use a REMORA clipless IWB holster 90% of the time. I choose the 9 because It fits my hand well, ammo is inexpensive , easier for me to chamber than a 45, conceals as well as a 380. I also use a flash bang (in bra) holster. I find shoulder holsters very comfortable but not compatible with my wardrobe. This may sound silly to the men, but women have issues with allways wearing a larger size pant and baggy or loose shirt. I needed a weapon and holster that would work with most of my wardrobe. I believe I have found the happy medium with the slim weapon and the clip less holster.

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