Mark B

Florissant, MO

#1 Jun 18, 2013
Update to HAY MARK B
Update to “Hey Mark B” discussion. Last night June 17 was the city’s planning and zoning meeting continued from June 3 http://www.florissantmo.com/Govt/meetingsAgen ... The developer did show up and make a presentation. The developer attempted to portray the reason for a zoning change request was for a secondary egress driveway. The developer did not present any drawings indicating what their future intent was to be, citing they were instructed by the public works department to not bring. The building commissioner who is present at all P&Z meetings showed no reaction. Although this was not a public hearing the commission set aside policy to include any public comment, this infuriated the developer. I made a presentation to the commission.
Although there were no plans indicating future intent by this developer at this time, I can only speak on what I previously am knowledgeable about pertaining to this development. In August 2012 this developer applied to MHDC for tax credit (subsidy) for a NEW LOW-INCOME apartment development for tenants 55 years of age and older. On October 31 (Halloween night) 2012, MHDC held a St. Louis regional public hearing for all applicants soliciting some form or another of subsidy funding offered by HUD and MHDC. I stated that I was aware of many letters, emails, and phone calls from residents and property owners to the city mayor, public works department, and City Council members strongly OPPOSING this or any new LOW-INCOME housing development. My public comments should be included in the forthcoming public record. The final commission’s vote was a 3 to 3 tie which sends this request to the City Council without any recommendation.
The developer was extremely upset, and in front of a witness when I offered my hand to shake, decided to call me a very vulgar name. This led to a discussion in the hallway outside of chambers. This developer was speaking to me so loudly the commission had to temporarily halt the continuance of their meeting. The commission sent the building commissioner out into the hallway to secure the situation. The developer and his son conveyed to me their strong desire to forge forward with their plans. So I suspect this developer shall follow through and appear at an upcoming City Council meeting to be heard. I will follow through and STERNLY stand my ground on behalf of our North County Community and the city of Florissant to OPPOSE ANY NEW LOW-INCOME APARTMENTS. But this takes more than one voice. If you feel that our community, our city, NEEDS new low-income housing then send an e-mail or letter (for the record) to the city to be heard. If you DO NOT feel, that there is a NEED for any additional NEW LOW-INCOME apartment housing, SEND THE COUNCIL AND MAYOR a e-mail or letter to be included for the record stating so. Let your voice be heard. mjbcinc@aol.com
hardhead

Florissant, MO

#2 Jun 19, 2013
thanks, going to do this right now. florissant doesn't need anymore apartments complexs at all, much less low income apts. they just draw crime.
hardhead

Florissant, MO

#3 Jun 19, 2013
better get on this band wagon people!
TTU

Saint Louis, MO

#4 Jun 19, 2013
I think that what folks including this low income property developer need to understand is that a community needs to have a viable mix of properties. What I mean by viable is that you have enough income and tax producing properties to support the desired level of municipal and social services. And it appears that FLOMO is in danger of dropping below the minimum level--as evidenced by the budget cuts over the last few years. Ditto for the FERGFLO schools. Even StLouisCounty MO is cutting.

What alarms me is that in my FLOMO (actually StL County) neighborhood next to FLOMO, about the only folks that seem to move in are either revolving door renters just able to make their payments, or buyers using services like Beyond Housing. And the properties show it.

Landlords have an incentive not to keep the property up (keeps real estate taxes down) and for the life of me, I can't figure out how these girls that are clients of BH are making it with their little jobs, even with Welfare, SSDI, WIC, SNAP, etc. From what I can see, none of these girls have any kind of education that will get them to a level where they can pay any significant taxes or even maintain/fix up their houses.

IMHO, FLOMO needs a Marshall Plan to keep, and get middle income folks to move in, or it is toast, and this should involve a complete moratorium on any development that does not increase tax collections. Goal 1 should be stabilization of properties and values, and eventually increasing property values.
and

Florissant, MO

#5 Jun 19, 2013
Mayor Lowery always thought the way to attract new homeowners was with new commercial businesses. He was like a broken record. That may be one thing but there is a whole lot more to it. First you must ensure clean and safe neighborhoods. He failed on providing both of those. So glad that crooked skunk is gone but I am afraid what we got now is not much brighter.
hardhead

Florissant, MO

#6 Jun 20, 2013
if you want a nice city to live in you have to come up with a way to keep the black away. everyone knows this, it's just no one has the balls to say it.
moved five yrs ago

Lake Saint Louis, MO

#7 Jun 20, 2013
hardhead wrote:
if you want a nice city to live in you have to come up with a way to keep the black away. everyone knows this, it's just no one has the balls to say it.
and those with balls and smarts got the fhuck out. everyone knows this too.
Mark B

Florissant, MO

#8 Jun 20, 2013
I have received confirmation today Thursday, June 20

That the developer has withdrawn their zoning request change

That was heard at Planning and Zoning commission meeting

Monday night June 17. See today's Independent News article

Below.

Thank you, to the many residents and property owners

Who took the time to write a letter of opposition to the city

of Florissant. YOUR VOICES WERE HEARD.

Mark Behlmann



http://www.flovalleynews.com/housing-develope...
TTU

Saint Louis, MO

#10 Jun 20, 2013
Reverend Vegas wrote:
That's great! What we need is middle class working folks coming to live in Florissant. There's a lot of people working in the Hazelwood industrial complexes that make 40k+ a year. Those are the ideal demo that we want. Who doesn't want to work close to home? This low income crap...forget it. This town already scares people away..we need to put an end to it!
Not only scares folks away but scares existing residents away too.

Need to make the communities and the schools safe and inviting for ALL. Top quality!
hardhead

Florissant, MO

#11 Jun 21, 2013
moved five yrs ago wrote:
<quoted text>and those with balls and smarts got the fhuck out. everyone knows this too.
what are you going to spend your life running away? losing money on your property because you are scared? your not smart ,you moved and now you are upside down on your home loan and the blacks are slowly moving in around you again. get some balls and stand up and fight the problem and run the blacks off legally with more law inforcement. start coming down on their stupid shit HARD!
Man

United States

#13 Jun 21, 2013
If you think home values are up you are one idiot.
That is so True

Florissant, MO

#14 Jun 21, 2013
Reverend Vegas wrote:
HH...There are a few things we agree on. One thing I don't agree on is the speculation of people being "upside down" on their mortgage. I also think it's BS when these St. Peters, St. Chuck and Wentsville people think we're broke or in a miserable situation. I can more than afford to live anywhere the hell I want in Missouri. I chose to live right here in STL-County at New Halls and Secretariat. It's a great place and I like my house. My neighbors are cool...I'm far from struggling and wouldn't live in Chuck or Peters because it's too damn far from work and entertainment. I can jump on I-170 and be in the city in 15-20 min. At the same time be close to Alton and the River Road. There are parts of unincorp St. Louis County and Florissant that ARE crappy looking...but don't forget to check out what's going on the north side of Flo/UninCorp STL. It looks like Chesterfield. These aren't starter homes. We started out in the flat tops as new home owners..It was a perfect situation for a newly married couple. We moved up financially and wanted an updated home. and this area provided that for us.
I've seen houses in Black Jack that many of your houses would fit on their back deck....so I don't see what the geographical put downs are for. Home values are going UP...let's all just be thankful for THAT!
the majority of Florissant and NW county are fine. All anyone wants to do is talk about the crime and other bad stuff. I live in Old Town and love it. Like my neighbors, like being able to walk to stores, love Sacred Heart, the Shrine and all the other historical places.
All the complainers need to pack up and move out to their idea of wonderful so they can be happy. Who needs more malcontents and crybabies? My daughter and her family live out on Shackelford and NH Ferry and they are doing just fine. Paid $192K for their house and it hasn't lost any value. So all you that are bitchin' and moaning, go find someplace you'll be happier and that way the rest of us who CHOOSE to live where we do will be happier also.
Girl

Lake Saint Louis, MO

#15 Jun 21, 2013
Man wrote:
If you think home values are up you are one idiot.
Amen.
Mark B

Florissant, MO

#17 Jun 21, 2013
I believe some of these people are chronic complainers. Complainers are cowards, who complain around issues. They will never be happy because they won’t say what’s really bothering them. Persistent complainers are dark clouds, energy drainers, who are happy being unhappy. They’re focused on pointing blame. They whine when they don’t get their way and have only one objective,“personal comfort”.
Complainers will never be happy and are a big part of today’s problem. They will never – ask permission, honor progress and efforts, identify specific improvements, participate in solutions, practice flexibility, eagerly make personal adjustments, build and pursue excellence, hold constructive and open minded conversations, stop focusing on who is to blame, and foster RESPECT.
I choose sticking around -- getting involved an participating, holding conversations and more importantly listening, become educated, reasonably identifying problems, collectively investing in seeking solutions, assisting with establishing a action plan, rolling up my sleeves to implement that plan, and volunteer to see things through to make a better community of which I choose to live in.“Defeat is not the worst of failures, not too have tried is the true failure”.
hardhead

Florissant, MO

#18 Jun 21, 2013
rev, i was referring to the people who fled florissant to move to st.peters and chuckie town. alot of them are upside down on their loans, bought to big or more than it was worth. they all thought that by staying here you were lower class than them.i too, have my home paid for and can afford to live anywhere i want, but family is here and before i retired work was only 20 miles away. didn't make any sense to move another 40 miles away on top of that.alot of people i used to work with are driving 60 to 80 miles one way to work and then bitch about the price of gas. i get tired of st.charles people thinking we are lower class than them, i hear it all the time when are you going to move out here. got news for them i don't think i'm going anywhere and if i did it would be on some property far away from the thugs, but i have a place now, mostly just go there on the weekends now. and yes you are so right there are many very nice big homes north of us along old jamestown and out past the park along the river. i really like the homes out there as they have nice big tree filled lots. never did understand the big attraction to st.charles and all the traffic out there. i listened to people bitch about the traffic on the bridge everyday at work and always thought no way in hell am i gonna ge3t wrapped up in that, they can have it.
that bird guy

Edwardsville, IL

#20 Jun 21, 2013
Are you two idiots done trying to convince yourselves that you arent living in a craphole yet? I love how hardhead says hes gonna stand up and take florissant back from the blacks...lol. Niether one of you jackwads will ever do one positive thing for that city ever. Hell, with as often as you post on here, im surprised you have enough time to climb the stairs and eat your moms meatloaf. You guys are the epitome of whats wrong with the world today. You both have all the answers and wisdom, but are to lazy and afraid to do anything worthwhile. I guess its easier to sit on here and complain huh? This is the part where you throw insults and lies at me to make me see it your way. Good luck. Losers...lol
Correct

Lake Saint Louis, MO

#21 Jun 21, 2013
that bird guy wrote:
Are you two idiots done trying to convince yourselves that you arent living in a craphole yet? I love how hardhead says hes gonna stand up and take florissant back from the blacks...lol. Niether one of you jackwads will ever do one positive thing for that city ever. Hell, with as often as you post on here, im surprised you have enough time to climb the stairs and eat your moms meatloaf. You guys are the epitome of whats wrong with the world today. You both have all the answers and wisdom, but are to lazy and afraid to do anything worthwhile. I guess its easier to sit on here and complain huh? This is the part where you throw insults and lies at me to make me see it your way. Good luck. Losers...lol
These losers bitch all day long about the scum that surrounds them but yet anybody that chose to live on this side of the river is also the enemy in their eyes. Screw them. They deserve the craphole lifestyle they try to defend.
fyi

Saint Louis, MO

#23 Jun 24, 2013
if this low income apartments you are talking about are at the end of florissant rd. you might as well get used to it they are coming. they will go well with the walmart we are getting!
TTU

Ballwin, MO

#25 Jun 24, 2013
Reverend Vegas wrote:
No. I don't think they will. Enough tax paying citizens are trying to turn the tide. Why not build it in the city where's public transportation? Plenty of unused property in the city.
Go read the HUD regulations that Mark referred to in his post on Westchester county. It is the official policy of HUD to put low income housing in higher income areas. HUD got Westchester to agree to take 749 units of low income housing, then informed the county that that number was just a floor, and that they expected thousands more, like 5300 units, which is why it ended up on the national news and the county is all hot about it. Those kinds of numbers will take a lot of properties off the tax rolls and be a real burden on the police and ambulance resources.

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