What have the Unions done for us lately?

What have the Unions done for us lately?

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confused

Saint Louis, MO

#1 Nov 4, 2009
Someone tell me, please. As far as I can see they just cost us money.
old union supporter

Saint Louis, MO

#2 Nov 4, 2009
confused wrote:
Someone tell me, please. As far as I can see they just cost us money.
You have been fooled by the right wing propaganda machine.
Unions fight for higher wages and better working conditions.
The 40 hour work week, which by the way has been under attack for the last four decades, was the result of unions. The end of unsafe working conditions and child labor was all the result of labor unions.
Since the unions were weakened by the free-market ideology of the right, we have seen many of those gains made so long ago by unions deteriorating.
When unions negotiate higher wages, it encourages all businesses to pay higher wages to maintain their work force.
I have lived long enough now to have witnessed how all this happened and it is sad to see American workers all worried about earning a good living on one hand and dismissing the unions on the other.
Please

United States

#3 Nov 4, 2009
Yeah unions are great thats why SEIU is deep in bed with ACORN.
typical topical

Saint Louis, MO

#4 Nov 4, 2009
Please wrote:
Yeah unions are great thats why SEIU is deep in bed with ACORN.
You really don't get it. Really.
Unless you are rich, each time you buy into the right wing propaganda you weaken yourself and the rest of us.
So which is it, are you rich or is it that you just can't figure it out?
Please

United States

#5 Nov 4, 2009
No matter what type of unions you have there are still going to be rich people who will manipulate things. The only difference is you want the union heads doing it. Be very careful who you support. The Democratic party has been a big supporter of unions over the years. If you really look at the agenda of the Democratic party you will see that it is to keep people dependent on the government, a dependent voter is a dependable one. Unions play the same game.It's all about power and who has and how they use it. What needs to be done is to get corruption and greed out of the government and the big unions. Then and only then will you see true fairness in the country.
Say what

Saint Louis, MO

#6 Nov 4, 2009
Please wrote:
No matter what type of unions you have there are still going to be rich people who will manipulate things. The only difference is you want the union heads doing it. Be very careful who you support. The Democratic party has been a big supporter of unions over the years. If you really look at the agenda of the Democratic party you will see that it is to keep people dependent on the government, a dependent voter is a dependable one. Unions play the same game.It's all about power and who has and how they use it. What needs to be done is to get corruption and greed out of the government and the big unions. Then and only then will you see true fairness in the country.
That is just a load of BS. "The Democrats want us dependent on government" is just more BS out of the GOP propaganda playbook.
You poor fools fall for that BS like the BS about "unions are ruining the country" and "trickle down works". This is pretty simple stuff but it is amazing how many of you pinheads can't get a grip on what has really been happening.
What's next, witch hunts? It seems like that is the sort of mentality you have.
CBJ

Florissant, MO

#8 Nov 4, 2009
old union supporter wrote:
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You have been fooled by the right wing propaganda machine.
Unions fight for higher wages and better working conditions.
The 40 hour work week, which by the way has been under attack for the last four decades, was the result of unions. The end of unsafe working conditions and child labor was all the result of labor unions.
Since the unions were weakened by the free-market ideology of the right, we have seen many of those gains made so long ago by unions deteriorating.
When unions negotiate higher wages, it encourages all businesses to pay higher wages to maintain their work force.
I have lived long enough now to have witnessed how all this happened and it is sad to see American workers all worried about earning a good living on one hand and dismissing the unions on the other.
There are other laws that now protect workers from unsafe working conditions, etc. Unions "due" nothing anymore except still divide some work places. You have a union contract that states working hours, time limit for breaks, etc. and then when the "company" side is more lenient with things, then the union "brothers and sisters" complain that they aren't treated fairly. Ironically, they are paying their dues for less advantages. Union workers also don't seem to be able to get along with the "company" workers and always seem really envious and/or jealous of their "suits". Have decent work ethics, quit thinking everyone owes you, do your job well, be responsible and reliable and you won't have to have a union fighting to get your job back. It's real simple.
CBJ

Florissant, MO

#9 Nov 4, 2009
typical topical wrote:
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You really don't get it. Really.
Unless you are rich, each time you buy into the right wing propaganda you weaken yourself and the rest of us.
So which is it, are you rich or is it that you just can't figure it out?
I have yet to see a rich union worker. It's not the rich man that don't get it.
Cornelius

Saint Louis, MO

#10 Feb 20, 2010
Bad employers get the unions they deserve.
If unions were not needed they would have never been created.
Tony

Keene, NH

#11 Apr 3, 2013
As I read posts bragging about how great unions are, not one can tell me what good unions have done in the past 20 years. Why? Because they haven't done anything. They force companies to pay higher wages and benefits causing inflation to rise. When a Union pushes for a 5 to 10% pay raise for its members, how do you think a company pays for that? By raising the cost of products or services. You union bosses are busy mocking the salary a CEO makes, but yet still manages to pull in an average of $200k plus a year.

Yes Unions were vital for ending child labor, cheap labor and giving us better working conditions, but now they just keep sucking companies dry when they can. Stop dwelling in past (50 plus years) and try helping put our economy back on track.
hardhead

Florissant, MO

#12 Apr 3, 2013
my whole family has been union and i have been a union member for 39 years and have seen what the unions due for you. if it were not for the unions big bizz would have you working for half the money and much longer hours for less pay so they would not have to hire more people. the unions set up our health care and pensions and fought for safer working conditions. if it were not for the unions you would most likely have to work till you died. i've seen boss's come in from out of town and try to treat the workers like shit and had to have the union officers come out and straighten them out. people don't realize union wages bring up the standard of living for everybody. if it were not for the unions as soon as you turned 30 the companies would kick your ass to the curb and bring in a younger person to replace your tired ass, cause they worked you like a dog. read what old union supporter has said above, its a %110 percent true. if not for the unions you would have no weekends to spend with your families,i see this happening now,work, work,work, thats all they want you to do and if you can't keep up you get kick to the curb.big bizz doesn't care about you, they care about money, the bottom line and they will lie to your face about it. i've seen their bullshit first hand for many years. if you think this isn't true you are out of touch with the world. we had to fight for everything we have for years and now we are slowly loseing it. this new work force coming up gonna have to take a stand and fight back or they are done. it's a shame because the new guys coming up seem to think the way to the top is to be a snitch and to suck a dick instead of looking out for your fellow worker. it's a sad,sad state of affairs. when they get backed into a corner with their lively hoods they will come out fighting again some day.it'll come full circle again. THAT'S WHAT THE UNIONS HAVE DONE FOR ME!
Marcus Welby

Saint Louis, MO

#13 Apr 3, 2013
For any of you who would dare get your views from some place other than the barber shop or the sports page, I would encourage you to read a book by Linda Chavez titled "Betrayal--How Union Bosses Shake Down Their Members and Corrupt American Politics." It might give you a different perspective about unions. If you want to see some of the pros and cons of unions, take a really hard look at what Stockton, California is currently going through and why.
unions killed hostess

United States

#14 Apr 4, 2013
no more ho ho's, twinkies, cupcakes, wonder bread.

wonder how many of those union people are back to work?
GAD

Saint Charles, MO

#15 Apr 4, 2013
hardhead wrote:
my whole family has been union and i have been a union member for 39 years and have seen what the unions due for you. if it were not for the unions big bizz would have you working for half the money and much longer hours for less pay so they would not have to hire more people. the unions set up our health care and pensions and fought for safer working conditions. if it were not for the unions you would most likely have to work till you died. i've seen boss's come in from out of town and try to treat the workers like shit and had to have the union officers come out and straighten them out. people don't realize union wages bring up the standard of living for everybody. if it were not for the unions as soon as you turned 30 the companies would kick your ass to the curb and bring in a younger person to replace your tired ass, cause they worked you like a dog. read what old union supporter has said above, its a %110 percent true. if not for the unions you would have no weekends to spend with your families,i see this happening now,work, work,work, thats all they want you to do and if you can't keep up you get kick to the curb.big bizz doesn't care about you, they care about money, the bottom line and they will lie to your face about it. i've seen their bullshit first hand for many years. if you think this isn't true you are out of touch with the world. we had to fight for everything we have for years and now we are slowly loseing it. this new work force coming up gonna have to take a stand and fight back or they are done. it's a shame because the new guys coming up seem to think the way to the top is to be a snitch and to suck a dick instead of looking out for your fellow worker. it's a sad,sad state of affairs. when they get backed into a corner with their lively hoods they will come out fighting again some day.it'll come full circle again. THAT'S WHAT THE UNIONS HAVE DONE FOR ME!
I'm thinking you are just a bit close to the warning track in left field on this one. I worked for three decades at, and retired from, that big old chemical company in St Louis. In all my years there I was never treated poorly,always had ideal working conditions, couldn't ask for a better place to work,and never had one second of problems with those bad bad management people. By the way,never belonged to a union. For most of those years my pay was in the six figures,but then I do have a masters degree from the old Rolla School of Mines. I guess unions fill the bill for many but I can't see why. Anyhow,it's not for me to question what works for you but I still can't see a good reason for unions. Later.
hardhead

Florissant, MO

#16 Apr 4, 2013
GAD wrote:
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I'm thinking you are just a bit close to the warning track in left field on this one. I worked for three decades at, and retired from, that big old chemical company in St Louis. In all my years there I was never treated poorly,always had ideal working conditions, couldn't ask for a better place to work,and never had one second of problems with those bad bad management people. By the way,never belonged to a union. For most of those years my pay was in the six figures,but then I do have a masters degree from the old Rolla School of Mines. I guess unions fill the bill for many but I can't see why. Anyhow,it's not for me to question what works for you but I still can't see a good reason for unions. Later.
thta's great for you, but many people worked at lower jobs than you. i have lived it and seen how the unions have made working conditions way better. i know at one time the unions had some problems but not any more the dept. of labor over sees everything now. the unions have fought for health care and good working conditions for it's members. the unions try to promote jobs here in our area, to bring the work here to the st.louis area. they sit down with large corps. and do pre jobs meeting to make sure the customer is happy with the work bring done. quality work for good pay. you get what you pay for. but make no doubt about it these companies and contractors will try and work you like a dog. how would you like to have to eat lunch in a dirty power house sitting on top of a coal pile or work all day with no breaks or lunch? they are trying to do this to workers right now, they are trying to take us backwards. if you are wronged on the job the union will come out and fight for you and stand behind ,even if it has to go to the labor board. it would be a sad day if it were not for the unions.
hardhead

Florissant, MO

#17 Apr 4, 2013
unions killed hostess wrote:
no more ho ho's, twinkies, cupcakes, wonder bread.
wonder how many of those union people are back to work?
the unions didn't kill hostess,hostess killed hostess. what do you want them to work for free. hostess was making alot of money. you have to take a stand at some point or the big companies will just shit on their work force.
UnonYes

Florissant, MO

#18 Apr 4, 2013
unions killed hostess wrote:
no more ho ho's, twinkies, cupcakes, wonder bread.
wonder how many of those union people are back to work?
YES OF COURSE IT WAS THE UNION, NOT THE GREEDY CORPORATE A$ZHOLES WHO DRAINED EVERY LAST CENT OUT OF THE COMPANY, ATTACHED AS MUCH DEBT AGAINST HOSTESS AS THEY COULD AND FILED BANKRUPTCY, FURTHER SCREWING OVER THE US GOVT AND THEN SCREWED ALL THEIR HARD WORKING EMPLOYEES OUT OF THEIR JOBS AND PENSIONS!
WHEN WILL YOU IDIOTS WAKE UP AND REALIZE CORPORATE GREED IS WHAT IS KILLING THIS COUNTRY?!!! WHY DO THESE SPOILED AZ$HOLES EXPECT TO KEEP ALL THE MONEY AND PAY THIRD WORLD WAGES? CAUSE IDIOTS LIKE YOU FORGIVE THEIR TREASONOUS ACTIONS?
KEEP ON VOTING FOR CORPORATE VULTURES LIKE ROMNEY AND WE'LL LOSE THE REST OF THIS COUNTRY, MORONS..... JUST FREAKING MORONS
Marcus Welby

Saint Louis, MO

#19 Apr 4, 2013
UnonYes wrote:
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YES OF COURSE IT WAS THE UNION, NOT THE GREEDY CORPORATE A$ZHOLES WHO DRAINED EVERY LAST CENT OUT OF THE COMPANY, ATTACHED AS MUCH DEBT AGAINST HOSTESS AS THEY COULD AND FILED BANKRUPTCY, FURTHER SCREWING OVER THE US GOVT AND THEN SCREWED ALL THEIR HARD WORKING EMPLOYEES OUT OF THEIR JOBS AND PENSIONS!
WHEN WILL YOU IDIOTS WAKE UP AND REALIZE CORPORATE GREED IS WHAT IS KILLING THIS COUNTRY?!!! WHY DO THESE SPOILED AZ$HOLES EXPECT TO KEEP ALL THE MONEY AND PAY THIRD WORLD WAGES? CAUSE IDIOTS LIKE YOU FORGIVE THEIR TREASONOUS ACTIONS?
KEEP ON VOTING FOR CORPORATE VULTURES LIKE ROMNEY AND WE'LL LOSE THE REST OF THIS COUNTRY, MORONS..... JUST FREAKING MORONS
Corporate greed is what made this country the greatest economic engine in the history of the world. Without it, there would be no reason for any entrepenuer to ever start a business, thus employing everyone who cares to work. Do you think people go into business for themselves with all of the risk and hard work just so they can be nice and turn over the profits to the workers? That's what Keynes advocated and that's never worked. There are countries that tried to exist without our free market system but instead had a socialist or communist form of economic government but that has never worked. You can look at the Soviet Union, North Korea, or Cuba as examples. If our government would stay out of areas they don't belong in and stick to the enumerated powers granted in the Constitution, the free market would balance itself out and businesses would be forced to offer pay that fits the job--otherwise they wouldn't be able to retain a workforce. "Free Market Revolution" by Yaron Brook explains all this in easy to understand terms if anyone is interested.
Gordon Gekko

United States

#20 Apr 4, 2013
"Greed is good."
hardhead

Florissant, MO

#21 Apr 4, 2013
do you know how many people have died because of corporate greed over the years? they put workers in harms way over profits. they still do it today, i seen it first hand with my own eyes. they put all these safety rules in place and tell you to follow them and then when you do they bitch because your not fast enough. the safety rules are setup for the employer in mind. the workers are screwed. damed if you do and damed if you don't. the company is just worried about getting sued. i don't mind i guy getting wealthy but don't do it killing other people and alot of large companies have done just that and are still doing it. the corporations what you to work with no breaks now, what's it gonna be like for future generations to come. corporate greed IS what's killing this country and when things don't go their way they threaten to take their company somewhere else,what assholes to shit on the people who made your company profitable in the first place. i know one thing when companies do this shit i will never and i mean never buy another one of their products. look what walmart has done, come in and closed down every small bizz and then you are forced to shop there and work there for low wages and you can't even afford to buy things at the place you work and that's the way they want it. you people that talk this shit haven't live it or are to young to see it or i don't know maybe your just stupid.

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