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CBN

Florissant, MO

#1 May 31, 2013
Does item 1 (rezoning of 1415 Carla) before P&Z next Monday night have anything to do with your old development off Carla Dr.?
Mark B

Florissant, MO

#2 Jun 1, 2013
Yes it does. Property owner wishes to change zoning to match my old development property. Then both parcels will be combined to create one larger piece. Owner wanting to put in low-income housing slated for residents 55 years and older (termed as senior living). South county Oakville this week was on channel 5 news trying to fight a similar project financed by HUD. Their apartment building is to be three stories for around 46 residents. Those residents are up in arms. Yes I will be fighting this development but not at the zoning table. Better fight is with the funding through MHDC and HUD.
CBN

United States

#3 Jun 1, 2013
Thanks for the information. I'll be joining you in this fight.
The Central Scrutinizer

Saint Louis, MO

#5 Jun 7, 2013
is it true the mayor has already signed off on this without input from the council or residents?
Well

United States

#6 Jun 7, 2013
If he has and this is pointed out at the cc meeting it might cost him the next election.
Florissant residents might have a problem with this development. Are you listening Little Tommy?
hardhead

Florissant, MO

#7 Jun 7, 2013
why would anyone want this in your neighborhood?
Well

United States

#8 Jun 7, 2013
HEY

Ballwin, MO

#9 Jun 10, 2013
Tom get your head out your butt, listen to these people. Quit kissing Dooley's ass
Mark B

Florissant, MO

#10 Jun 10, 2013
I have a database with 175 residents that I have stayed in contact with regarding this project. Last week I sent everyone an e-mail conveying the current situation. I met with the mayor Thursday afternoon and he conveyed his feelings regarding this project. He voiced he was NOT going to support this project and felt that the city council members would not either due to the overwhelming citizens responses, objecting to any new LOW-INCOME housing developments in the city of Florissant and North County. So the letter writing/e-mail CAMPAIGN got the message across.
The developer COULD continue to apply for MHDC tax credit funding although would not have a complete application without support/endorsement letters from required authorities. This I will “bird dog” as well. The developer may still go forward with the planning and zoning application/request which is rescheduled for June 17. This will not be known until Friday, June 14 late. If so, I will rally people to attend the meeting on the 18th to express their strong opposition.
Anyone may contact me directly for further information and become part of the e-mail group. Mark
Mark B

Florissant, MO

#11 Jun 10, 2013
Thank you e-mail I sent out last Friday the 7th.

THANK YOU
Your calls, letters, face to face discussions, and emails have been heard!

It is amazing what an informed organized group of people, can accomplish when they
“PARTICIPATE and GET INVOLVED”

To the unincorporated North St. Louis County residents,“Thank You” for participating and getting involved with your actions of “OPPOSING” any new LOW-INCOME housing developments in the City of Florissant. With your help and involvement you have supported and strengthen the message that our community does not want any additional LOW-INCOME housing developments in our ENTIRE community. Your assistance has benefited all of us today and in the future.

To the Florissant residents, who printed and handed out fliers, made calls, held discussions, sent emails/letters, and attended meetings “THANK YOU” on behalf of the ENTIRE community. I realize it takes a lot of time and effort from your normal busy day and may be risky at times to openly express your opinions especially to local government. But with your participation and actions our voices have abundantly been heard.

It is my belief, after speaking with the Mayor of Florissant Thursday afternoon, that with strong consideration from the City Council Members after hearing from constituents and the Mayor’s office hearing from the citizens of our ENTIRE community “that this LOW-INCOME development should NOT be supported”, the Mayor has indicated to me that he feels there would be NO local governing support coming from the city of Florissant.

The developer/applicant for MHDC low-income funding/tax credits (is required) to have the District State Senator, District State Representative, County Representative, Municipal Mayor, and District Councilman “endorsement/support letter’s” for a complete application. Incomplete applications for funding incentives should not be considered for approval.

I wish to publicly “THANK” State Senator Gina Walsh, State Representative Keith English, County Executive Charlie Dooley, the City of Florissant’s Mayor and City Council Members,
and most importantly
All of you who got INVOLVED
We could have been the ones on TV News tonight instead of Oakville
Thank you
Mark Behlmann
TTU

Saint Charles, MO

#12 Jun 10, 2013
Well done Mark!

My FLOMO house is on the other side of the creek from that land and down Patterson a bit, but it sure would be nice to see that land stay on the tax paying side of the ledger with some nice market rate homes, maybe down the road when home values recover.

If low income oldsters need subsidized apartments, and I have no doubt that they do, why not get them ground floor units in existing apartment communities instead of spending money HUD doesn't have? If you run out of ground floor units, put in some elevators.

Sunswept, Aspen Woods, and Cross Keys as well as other communities are constantly advertising $99 moves you in deals and I know that that those communities (now dens of thugs) were once heavily occupied by seniors. They are also within walking distance of a nice variety of stores, doctor's offices, restaurants, banks, churches, and on a major bus line. Are those communities not good enough or what? Mark, can you tell us who the hell in HUD is the brains behind this?

Since: Jan 10

Florissant

#13 Jun 10, 2013
Great job Mark. Thank you for all of your hard work and keeping us informed.
CBN

Florissant, MO

#14 Jun 10, 2013
Great job Mark. Really appreciate your hard work.
Mark B

Florissant, MO

#15 Jun 11, 2013
TTU;
HUD (Housing and Urban Development) has been around for many years. They started out under a good concept driven by need. But things have changed over the decades. HUD is in the process of redeveloping themselves, creating a new revitalized image. The President of the United States has a tremendous amount of influence with department leadership appointments.

I have been assisting in Oakville’s situation to some degree as well. They are not using MHDC (local state organization). National Church Residences (the owner)(huge organization) was originally founded by a church group but changed to a major nonprofit corporation 501c3. They’re so big they work directly with the Federal department HUD. The motivation of HUD is to provide assistance in housing for low-income people in different categories. But in my research of the Section 202 program (used in Oakville) I really noticed a “consistent theme”. The (application) any applicant fills out for these funding programs requires strict following of requirements. The requirements frequently – frequently discuss minority situations. In other words, to fulfill ALL the normal requirements one would expect, the “location of a new development” must NOT be in a majority of minority populated area.

To ME this appears to be fostering (illegal) activity known as blockbusting. Submission requirements for section 202 – part one general application requirements – 4571.3 chapter one page 33-34-35 speaks primarily about minority inclusion into an area unpopulated with minority presence.

Now the term (minority) means many different things to different people in different areas, as well as the term low-income. I fully do understand what the interpretation are too many North County property owners. The St. Louis region is a very polarized area, possibly unlike other parts of the country. All I know is that North County has way more than its fair share of low income housing residents and I will always insist ON NO MORE!
TTU

Ballwin, MO

#16 Jun 11, 2013
Mark B wrote:
TTU;
The motivation of HUD is to provide assistance in housing for low-income people in different categories. But in my research of the Section 202 program (used in Oakville) I really noticed a “consistent theme”. The (application) any applicant fills out for these funding programs requires strict following of requirements. The requirements frequently – frequently discuss minority situations. In other words, to fulfill ALL the normal requirements one would expect, the “location of a new development” must NOT be in a majority of minority populated area.
To ME this appears to be fostering (illegal) activity known as blockbusting. Submission requirements for section 202 – part one general application requirements – 4571.3 chapter one page 33-34-35 speaks primarily about minority inclusion into an area unpopulated with minority presence.
All I know is that North County has way more than its fair share of low income housing residents and I will always insist ON NO MORE!
Thanks Mark. I briefly perused chapter 4571 for the HUD 202 program. Interesting. HUD mentions in the sidebar that they have $749 million in fresh cash to give out--nice. My company used to work with the St Louis Housing Authority, McCormack Barron Salazzar, etc., and I can tell you, the companies on the front teats of that cash pipe are powerful and vengeful, way more so than the N County Labor boys you've dealt with, so watch what you say and do.

I guess that the objective of the HUD location clause is to not group the low income recipients in heavily minority areas, which, on its face, is probably not a bad policy. However, the FLOMO location seems ill suited for this purpose, for several reasons. One, in addition to the housing, HUD obligates itself to also be the transportation provider for the residents, including for recreation. IMHO, the FLOMO property is sufficiently remote that residents would need transportation for basically everything, which could be costly to taxpayers.

Second, what I did not see in the HUD materials is whether the properties would be exempt from property taxes, but I presume that they would be. That's never good. Who replaces the lost taxes? Who pays the costs for increased EMT and ambulance services that come with this concentration of older folks? I can tell you who, the people of Whoville, that who, and that who is you!

It seems that if FLOMO is going to be viable and not slide down the slope toward N St Louis, it has to attract higher income individuals, and any development on the remaining open land in FLOMO as well as redevelopment should be focused on that priority. FLOMO has a concentration of large corporations, Boeing, Mallinkrodt, Emerson, Express Scripts, the airport, UMSL, DePaul, etc., right on its door step and I see those people pour into North County from West County, St Charles county, and Illinois every morning, and pour out to go home every night with their credit cards and cash still in their pockets. Mr Bommarito the car dealer see the opportunities, and has concentrated several operation at Lindbergh and 270 to service those folks. FLOMO needs those folks to spend money, look around, and move in. But to have any chance of that occurring, you gotta give them great schools and safe neighborhoods, and in this regard, PERCEPTION IS EVERYTHING!!!!
Mark B

Florissant, MO

#17 Jun 12, 2013
TTU, thank you and I fully agree. Schools and safety are key to a good community. In order for that to exist there must be balance, which in many cases today do not exist any longer. This is very disturbing to me. Our community has dealt with perception now for 30 years and it is not getting better. To further provide in my research see below. This information should be forwarded by everyone in our community to others.
Everyone please view this fox video. This will explain the big push and its going on all over the country--its definitely part of a bigger plan. Its not that long and you will be glad you watched it:

http://video.foxnews.com/v/2428018724001/obam...
Mark Behlmann
TTU

Ballwin, MO

#18 Jun 12, 2013
Mark B wrote:
TTU, thank you and I fully agree. Schools and safety are key to a good community. In order for that to exist there must be balance, which in many cases today do not exist any longer. This is very disturbing to me. Our community has dealt with perception now for 30 years and it is not getting better. To further provide in my research see below. This information should be forwarded by everyone in our community to others.
Everyone please view this fox video. This will explain the big push and its going on all over the country--its definitely part of a bigger plan. Its not that long and you will be glad you watched it:
http://video.foxnews.com/v/2428018724001/obam...
Mark Behlmann
Thanks Mark, I have been aware of these activities since the mid 1990s. If you want to see the tragic consequences of HUD's policies first hand, just drive down 10th street in the city, north of the Ed Jones Dome. You will see new townhouses--brand new. They replace townhouses that were new in 1990. Those were beautiful when they were new also. Anyone would want to live in them. But they were literally destroyed. By the residents. Destroyed to such an extent that they had to be boarded up and demolished. All in about 25 years. And those replaced the Cochrane Gardens high rises built before them, also destroyed and demolished. Same thing with Darst Webbe on the south side on what is now called Truman Blvd. And everyone knows the Pruitt Igoe saga.

Sad thing is, the city administration is good with all that because it creates construction jobs. I had a front seat to this for several years with my job and just could not believe it.

Now for several years HUD's traveling circus has been in FLOMO, with the same predictable results.

You mention social engineering. Crazy thing about all this is that its us that they are trying to social engineer!
The Central Scruinizer

Florissant, MO

#19 Jun 12, 2013
Mark B - While I support your efforts 100% on thwarting this housing project I have to question your credibility by sourcing a "Faux" News story. I mean really, the Obama Administration are evil-doing social architects that created this concept? This proliferated during the Reagan/Bush I years, I would point to Spanish Lake or the north st Louis townhomes mentioned above as examples.
The Fox story does not apply to the Carla Drive development, north county was already 'socially engineered' 30 years ago. This deal in north county is just some schmuck developer doing what they do - exploiting a closed door deal and hope citizens are too dumb to care.
WHat

Florissant, MO

#20 Jun 12, 2013
The Central Scruinizer wrote:
Mark B - While I support your efforts 100% on thwarting this housing project I have to question your credibility by sourcing a "Faux" News story. I mean really, the Obama Administration are evil-doing social architects that created this concept? This proliferated during the Reagan/Bush I years, I would point to Spanish Lake or the north st Louis townhomes mentioned above as examples.
The Fox story does not apply to the Carla Drive development, north county was already 'socially engineered' 30 years ago. This deal in north county is just some schmuck developer doing what they do - exploiting a closed door deal and hope citizens are too dumb to care.
Did you even watch or comprehend the news story?
The Central Scrutinzer

Saint Louis, MO

#21 Jun 13, 2013
sure did, more Fox anti-Obama fear mongering.

please explain the story's relevance to the devlopment in florissant.

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