Should Smoking With Kids In Car Be Considered Child Abuse?

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#1 Dec 9, 2007
I, for one, am interested on the opinions that will be given on this.
chiliman

Dearborn, MI

#2 Dec 9, 2007
I will give the parents doing so the benefit of the doubt and simply consider it child neglect.

Should someone smoke in their car with children in attendance for the sole purpose of injuring the children, then I would consider that abuse.

On the other hand, smoking with the knowledge it could harm whomever the occupants I would consider neglect.

Unfortunately children have a hard time opting out.
anonymous

Redmond, WA

#3 Dec 9, 2007
I work in the schools here and I can tell you which kids ride to school with smokers and which kids live with smokers. Those kids REEK of smoke. It is shameful that any parent would allow their child to attend school with such a stink on them.

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#4 Dec 9, 2007
anonymous wrote:
I work in the schools here and I can tell you which kids ride to school with smokers and which kids live with smokers. Those kids REEK of smoke. It is shameful that any parent would allow their child to attend school with such a stink on them.
I am guilty of being one of those people. I used to smoke. I quit 2 yrs ago. I did not realize just how gross the habit was until I quit. Now, when I enter a business where workers or customers smoke outside, I notice the smell and realize I used to be one of the causes. When I ride with a smoker or talk to one, I now realize I used to smell just like that. And, yes, I'm also guilty of sending my kids off to school smelling of the same. If I had only known then,,,,,. Since quitting, I realize that my kids, my car, house, clothes, and hair all smelled like that stale, reeking ciggy smoke. And you know what? It really IS an awful smell. I'm so glad that I quit, but I would be a lot happier if I had realized just how bad it was years ago. I don't condemn those who smoke. Im just really glad I no longer do it.

Since: Nov 07

Oscoda

#5 Dec 10, 2007
Anyone who smokes around their kids is an idiot.

Since: Nov 07

Oscoda

#6 Dec 10, 2007
But since you quit doing it, you're intelligent for realizing the dangers and I give you props.
jef

Newport, KY

#7 Feb 18, 2008
Smoking with kids inside a car should be illegal
mia

West Sacramento, CA

#8 Jun 30, 2010
yes it should one hunderd percent
0sc0da 0bserver

Oscoda, MI

#9 Jun 30, 2010
Let me start out and say that I am not a smoker and never have been.
So you are going to blame all the ills of this country on smokers.

Lets look at drive thru restaurants how many crashes have happened when some one dropped a french fry or spilled a shake and distracted the driver.
So lets ban drive thru's

Cell phones, tomorrow morning on your drive to work (for those who still have a job) if you text the police can give you a ticket.

Smoking with your children in the car is probably a bad idea... but criminal??? find something better to do with your day!
marty

Traverse City, MI

#11 Jul 1, 2010
My grandkids parents smoked a lot when they were babies and still do today.. Both kids have coughs and other small ill effects.
I yell at them all the time but it does no good. They have planned to quit several times but no luck
I hate it and it should be just a common sense issue but some people are just out for their own self......
chiliman

Dearborn, MI

#12 Jul 2, 2010
Nicodine Addiction (it is an addiction) is among the hardest addictions (some posit it is the hardest) to kick.

This is because there is both a physical and an emotional (or psychological if you like) component to the act of smoking.

Companies have purposely enhanced the addicting qualities of their tobacco products (they admitted this at their landmark tial when confronted with their own documents) making cessation even more difficult.

From a physical standpoint, one of the issues is the fact that Nicotine stores in fat cells and releases in a non linear fashion. That means that weeks, months, even years can go by after someone has quit and suddenly a flood of Nicotine can be released by the body's fat cells into the blood stream.

This sudden flood causes the physical reaction to Nicotine ingestion most who have smoked know. But the flood only lasts for a small time and then abruptly ceases frequently leaving the body in severe withdrawal and thus physical cravings for more Nicotine. No wonder folks who seem to be successfully quitting have relapses.

From an emotional standpoint, the actual act of smoking, it's timing in relationship to other activities, and biochemical adjustments in the brain with the anticipation of a 'fix' are very addictive.

With both whammy's it is no wonder so many folks have trouble really quitting.

Then again some really don't want to - and thus - just like any other addiction will not try until they are ready (sometimes that is too late for them - frequently already too late for others).

I happen to agree with the smoking ban that is in place.

It does not stop anyone from smoking - it does stop them from affecting the health of others in a public environment.
Old Soldier

Oscoda, MI

#13 Jul 2, 2010
Smoking is a habit i am glad I never took up. My father smoked like a chimney but did make sure there was plenty of ventilation and never smoked in the car when I was with him. He had told me that if I thought I was old enough to start smoking, I would have to afford my own smokes and he would feel that I was old enough to start paying room and board. I never started smoking up to the time I left home and joined the Army and never took it up. The friends I have that do smoke are considerate and will not light up without asking first.
Scott

United States

#14 Jul 15, 2010
I dont smoke but my wife smokes like a chimney. But she will stand outside the car before we go anywhere to smoke if she needs to or waits till we get there. she does not smoke in the house, she goes outside even in negative temperatures. So if one woman can smoke a pack or more a day but never infront of the kids in car or house then anyone can.
dp-enterprise

AOL

#15 Sep 6, 2010
You may not smoke but condoning the smoking around children makes you very uninformed. You should do your research on the topic before answering. Not every child will suffer for the effects of smoking, but they could have been healthier in the long run not being exposed to the harmful chemicals in secondhand smoke. Instead of answering questions to which you do not have a clue, you should find something better to do with your day! A little research may be a start. My parents smoked while I was growing up and I have very severe allergies to which I believe this conrtributed to. My step-daughter was taken to the ER yesterday with a 106 degree fever from bronchitis which developed because of her mother smoking in the house with her day and night. She could have died! So to all the idiots, smokers or non smokers,who know how secondhand smoke could effect a child and has no problem continuing to condone this, you should be ashamed of yourselves for hurting our youth. Do your research and then comment. Just because back in the day it was acceptable, doesn't mean it was right. It not only effects the smokers, but it effects everyone who surrounds them. You may be the kindest person, but you are infringing on our children and the non-smokers rights when you light up around them. You could be taking years off their lives. Think about it! That is not just abuse, that is MURDER! And a possible agonizing death if they develop cancer because of your selfish views.
dis-satisfied too

United States

#16 Sep 7, 2010
dp-enterprise wrote:
You may not smoke but condoning the smoking around children makes you very uninformed. You should do your research on the topic before answering. Not every child will suffer for the effects of smoking, but they could have been healthier in the long run not being exposed to the harmful chemicals in secondhand smoke. Instead of answering questions to which you do not have a clue, you should find something better to do with your day! A little research may be a start. My parents smoked while I was growing up and I have very severe allergies to which I believe this contributed to. My step-daughter was taken to the ER yesterday with a 106 degree fever from bronchitis which developed because of her mother smoking in the house with her day and night. She could have died! So to all the idiots, smokers or non smokers,who know how secondhand smoke could effect a child and has no problem continuing to condone this, you should be ashamed of yourselves for hurting our youth. Do your research and then comment. Just because back in the day it was acceptable, doesn't mean it was right. It not only effects the smokers, but it effects everyone who surrounds them. You may be the kindest person, but you are infringing on our children and the non-smokers rights when you light up around them. You could be taking years off their lives. Think about it! That is not just abuse, that is MURDER! And a possible agonizing death if they develop cancer because of your selfish views.
Your here commenting on this. Doesn'T seem like you have anything better to do with YOUR day. And, if you take a really good look around, and be an honest judge, you would see that more children are doing the actual smoking than probably those that are exposed to second hand smoke. And bronchitis is not necessarily caused from second hand smoke. I know several children who have bronchitis and were not exposed to ciggy smoke. And I don't know anyone who has died from it. I think you should do a little more research yourself before condemning others for not. The opinions posted here, are just that: Opinions
hateschildabuse

Midland, MI

#17 Sep 22, 2010
0sc0da 0bserver wrote:
Let me start out and say that I am not a smoker and never have been.
So you are going to blame all the ills of this country on smokers.
Lets look at drive thru restaurants how many crashes have happened when some one dropped a french fry or spilled a shake and distracted the driver.
So lets ban drive thru's
Cell phones, tomorrow morning on your drive to work (for those who still have a job) if you text the police can give you a ticket.
Smoking with your children in the car is probably a bad idea... but criminal??? find something better to do with your day!
well if this isn't just the most intelligent comment I've ever read! every situation has a potential of causing an accident. but smoking around anyone has proven it's harmful, so why would you put a baby in a car seat, fasten the seat belt and then smoke all over that child? yes it is child abuse!

if a child is throwing a tantrum in a store and you give it a smack on the rear, considered child abuse! Smoking on them isn't?

we have to have helmets on motorcycles, seat belts bucked in cars, yet we can smoke on our kids with no legal consequences.

makes perfect sense!
Creeping Fascism

Shelter Island Heights, NY

#18 Sep 27, 2010
I think it's insane to give the police so much power!

They need probable cause to bug you now, and if all I have to do is smoke to be vulnerable to the cops....then I am not a happy kid.

Do we want the police to be able to come to OUR HOMES, smell cigarette smoke and have probable cause to come in?????????? That's CRAZY (and I am saddened to see you all jumping on the bandwagon)

I for one, do not. I think it's very easy to shrug off one's own responsibility and give it to a central authority, but that's a FACILE pseudo-solution.

People should raise their own kids and stop interfering in how others raise their kids.

AND AND AND, the evidence that second-hand smoke is dangerous rests on shaky science, as far as I know.

PS - I wouldn't smoke around kids, but I KNOW that once a citizen gives up a right - it will never be return to the citizenry. America is losing its freedom because we are too lazy to mind our own Ps and Qs. LAME!!

PS - what people allow their children to see on TV and listen to on the radio seems far more harmful to me.

The Constitution is the single best thing about America and it should not be taken lightly - maybe y'all should give that document a read before you go advocating to take away MY RIGHTS.

Think Long term, Hello?

The era of the sneering fascist is over (evidence Guliani) it is now the era of the smiling fascist - trying to help you but relieving you of all of your freedom (witness Bloomberg). I like Michael Bloomberg, but banning smoking OUTSIDE is unreasonable]and no, I am NOT a smoker...].

SHEESH
Creeping Fascism

Shelter Island Heights, NY

#19 Sep 27, 2010
The guy who moved away wrote:
Anyone who smokes around their kids is an idiot.
More likely they are selfish - but it INTERESTING to see you call someone an idiot because they disagree with you! God Bless America!
Creeping Fascism

Shelter Island Heights, NY

#20 Sep 27, 2010
Scott wrote:
I dont smoke but my wife smokes like a chimney. But she will stand outside the car before we go anywhere to smoke if she needs to or waits till we get there. she does not smoke in the house, she goes outside even in negative temperatures. So if one woman can smoke a pack or more a day but never infront of the kids in car or house then anyone can.
Yes, Scott anyone can, so why do we need a law? It is not the business of the police to corral bad parents - those people are busy enough.
hateschildabuse

Midland, MI

#21 Sep 27, 2010
if you discipline your child the police get involved. if you abuse your child IN YOUR HOME and the police find out, they get involved.

you have to wear a helmet or the police get involved.

if you do not have your seat belt on the police sure get involved

if you try to jump off a bridge the police get involved

you think you should be able to abuse a child by smoking on them in a closed up car or the privacy of your home without it being abuse?

it's just not the way it is though

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