Beloit / Jewell consolidation

Since: Dec 07

Phillipsburg, KS

#21 Nov 26, 2008
All the tax money both collected in Jewell county and state aid that goes to Beloit will be spent in Mitchelle County. Thiis includes fuel, food for school lunches tires etc. etc. Non will be spent in Jewell County, this will cost Jewell county revenue jobs etc. If we don't keep as many students going to school in Jewell county as possable, with the decline in population, education in the county is at risk. Now I believe this may be a long long time down the road, but it is a risk.. With a consolidation comes a three year incintive from the state, I don't know the amount but it is huge. This is money coming to Jewell county to be spent fr our children. The buyi8lding in Jewell will be closed if you turn everything over to Beloit, I believe that is gauranteed. Might be the same with RH, but I think there is a little better chance with them.

FOR THE CHILDREN

RH students and Jewell students are friends
Smaller class sizes
outstanding extra curicular activities, and with smaller numbers more chance to participate.
RH has been awarded many many standard of excellence in the past three years.

There is more, this is just off the top off my head
Concerned Patron

Concordia, KS

#22 Nov 26, 2008
Actually Beloit is offering to keep a K-6 building in Jewell; Rock Hills is the one that has wavered on that topic. Keeping a building is best for the community of Jewell. This keeps groceries, fuel, etc bought in Jewell. What's in it for Jewell if the only businesses who benefit are in Mankato? Are we talking about what's best for the county or what's best for Mankato?

As far as for the kids, they have friends in Beloit too. Many of their parents work together and they know each other from other various activities. Beloit has outstanding extra-curricular activities and they offer more than Rock Hills (orchestra, wrestling, baseball, etc.) Academically they are very similar in their achievements.

One big thing that Beloit has over Rock Hills is stability. I don't think Jewell parents want to have to go through all of this again in the future when the incentive runs out and Rock Hills has to figure out how to operate with over $500,000 less in their budget. Why would Jewell want to combine with Rock Hills only to watch Bill Walker squander yet another incentive?

Bottom line, if Rock Hills were in Jewell's shoes, would they choose to bail us out or take the choice that offers the most longevity and opportunity for their students?

Since: Dec 07

Phillipsburg, KS

#23 Nov 27, 2008
Concerned Patron wrote:
Actually Beloit is offering to keep a K-6 building in Jewell; Rock Hills is the one that has wavered on that topic. Keeping a building is best for the community of Jewell. This keeps groceries, fuel, etc bought in Jewell. What's in it for Jewell if the only businesses who benefit are in Mankato? Are we talking about what's best for the county or what's best for Mankato?
As far as for the kids, they have friends in Beloit too. Many of their parents work together and they know each other from other various activities. Beloit has outstanding extra-curricular activities and they offer more than Rock Hills (orchestra, wrestling, baseball, etc.) Academically they are very similar in their achievements.
One big thing that Beloit has over Rock Hills is stability. I don't think Jewell parents want to have to go through all of this again in the future when the incentive runs out and Rock Hills has to figure out how to operate with over $500,000 less in their budget. Why would Jewell want to combine with Rock Hills only to watch Bill Walker squander yet another incentive?
Bottom line, if Rock Hills were in Jewell's shoes, would they choose to bail us out or take the choice that offers the most longevity and opportunity for their students?
Ok first, IF Beloit keeps a k-12. lets be realistic, it will last one year. It is going to be very hard for anyone to keep that large building open for under 30 kids. that is just the sad facts.

On activities, I guess I am talking more about sports. In a 3A school or maybe 4A. Most kids are going to ride the pine and never play.

Stability, its there RH enrollment whent up over 30 this year. RH will be around for a long long time. The money was not squandered, it was used to help set up the future. New busses, maintnance, just to name a few things plus money was put back in contingency reserve and capitol outlay. RH is very stable both in enrollment and financially. They don't need bailled out. On the other hand you might want to take a look at Beloits finances. How many leaky roofs did they say they had?

It's just time to unite the county, that all. Lets start acting like we are one. Lets work together for our communities and our children
countrylover

Concordia, KS

#24 Nov 27, 2008
Actually, its RH that that has been positive about a building in Jewell. Not Beloit.
Concerned Patron

Concordia, KS

#25 Nov 27, 2008
Jewell understands that a building in Jewell is probably not going to last long term, but for whatever time it continues it is better to keep something than to have nothing (just ask the folks in Esbon.) Again, are we doing this for the county or Mankato?

Many Jewell residents work in Beloit and already travel there everyday. Why would sending their children to Mankato or Burr Oak make sense for them, especially if they live in Randall? You keep saying we need to come together as a county but what is in it for Jewell or Randall?

As far as financial stability, you need to call the Kansas State Dept. of Education and ask some questions. Rock Hills currently operates on a 4 million dollar budget. Next year without any incentive they will have to operate on a 3.4 million dollar budget. That means they will be over $500,000 short for next year. Capital outlay funds are only good for capital expenses such as buying busses and buildings. The contingency fund you mention has to have the state's approval to be utilized and it is only about $180,000. Even if they approve spending that they will be $320,000 short. Last year Jewell had to cut about $200,000 and that forced them to reduce staff, close the Randall building, and go to a 4-day week. What does Rock Hills have planned to compensate for their shortfall? Ask your board and superintendent what their plan is if Jewell doesn't consolidate with Rock Hills.

Enrollment is declining everywhere. Without Jewell consolidating, Rock Hills enrollment will take a big hit next year because they have to report their true enrollment; not the inflated numbers they've been able to use because of Mankato-White Rock consolidation. To make matters worse, compare your classes that will be graduating this year and in the next few to what is coming into kindergarten.

As far as sports at a 3A or 4A school, yes there is more competition to earn a spot on the team in Beloit but there are also freshman, junior varsity, and varsity teams for them to find playing time. Besides, competition is not a bad thing; it is part of our society and pushes you to be better. Earning a spot on a team is more rewarding than getting one because there is no one else to do the job.

I too wish Jewell and Mankato could find ways to work together, but other than the one-sided argument that we need to "unite the county" you haven't given any good reasoning for how it benefits Jewell. Rock Hills has shown no plan for how they intend to take care of their own financial problems, other than trying to convince Jewell to consolidate. Even if that happened it only delays the problem, at some point they have to report their true numbers operate without an incentive. At that point Rock Hills will have to cut costs and they will not be stable. I don't think the parents and kids of Jewell are interested in going through this process again.

Since: Dec 07

Phillipsburg, KS

#26 Nov 27, 2008
Ok the 30 extra numbers this year are actual heads, buts in seats they are growing. Don't know how , don't know why they just are. This is not an FTE number.
The shortfall you speak of is not a shortfall. It is not getting the bonus, all this was known and in the plan. Yes you cannot just spend contigency reserve or capitol outlay. These are about the only places you can pigeon whole money. You cannot keep it in the general fund. All general fund monies must be spent every year.

RH willbe fine. They have been doing some things that they know they could not allways do after the incintive time was over. They are sitting very comfortably financially, student population is up, District infastructure is in very good shape, the students are excelling, and learning is getting done. There seems to be alot of school pride and most people are happy with the way things are going. I think Jewll would find a good fit with Rock Hills. And we could all be, yes even you my friend, all one big happy family
Concerned Patron

Concordia, KS

#27 Nov 27, 2008
I'm glad to hear things are going so well in Rock Hills I guess that you don't need to worry so much about what Jewell decides. It sounds like Rock Hills will be fine either way. I would however encourage you to check your facts, do some investigating, and don't believe everything that is in the papers or said by Bill Walker.

The only reason I responded to this forum was because I am tired of hearing how all of Jewell's decisions are based on some overriding hatred of Mankato. While there is no denying that ill feelings exist between some members of both communities, it may be that this time what is best for Jewell isn't what is best for Mankato. If Jewell decides to combine with Beloit it doesn't mean it was decided to hurt Mankato, it was simply what was best for Jewell. There are a lot of good people in both communities but Jewell has to base this decision on what is best for the kids in their district, not what's best for Mankato regardless that they share the same county. Again, most schools don't break along county lines and if Jewell County wants to survive they'll need more than just a combined school district to keep going.

Obviously we both feel strongly on different sides of this issue, I guess for now we'll just have to agree to disagree. The one thing I ask is to please make sure you have a full understanding of all of the factors that go into an important decision like this. Kids are #1, and then there are several other factors before emotions can get in the way. I know that this decision weighs heavily on the Jewell board and to claim that it will be made based on emotion is an insult to the work that they've invested trying to discern what is best for kids and our district.

Since: Dec 07

Phillipsburg, KS

#28 Nov 27, 2008
I appreciate your views. Believe me I am very very well educated on the matter and all the facts of it. Yes, RH will make it without Jewell, but with Jewell they will be stronger and the education for all Jewell county students will be better. And I really feel Jewell students will be better off in a smaller school that is in their community, not necessarily town but community. We will have to see how this all plays out, it is not easy. Have a good Thanksgiving weekend, maybe it's time to let others way in.
amazed

Beloit, KS

#29 Nov 29, 2008
Concerned Patron wrote:
Jewell understands that a building in Jewell is probably not going to last long term, but for whatever time it continues it is better to keep something than to have nothing (just ask the folks in Esbon.) Again, are we doing this for the county or Mankato?
Many Jewell residents work in Beloit and already travel there everyday. Why would sending their children to Mankato or Burr Oak make sense for them, especially if they live in Randall? You keep saying we need to come together as a county but what is in it for Jewell or Randall?
As far as financial stability, you need to call the Kansas State Dept. of Education and ask some questions. Rock Hills currently operates on a 4 million dollar budget. Next year without any incentive they will have to operate on a 3.4 million dollar budget. That means they will be over $500,000 short for next year. Capital outlay funds are only good for capital expenses such as buying busses and buildings. The contingency fund you mention has to have the state's approval to be utilized and it is only about $180,000. Even if they approve spending that they will be $320,000 short. Last year Jewell had to cut about $200,000 and that forced them to reduce staff, close the Randall building, and go to a 4-day week. What does Rock Hills have planned to compensate for their shortfall? Ask your board and superintendent what their plan is if Jewell doesn't consolidate with Rock Hills.
Enrollment is declining everywhere. Without Jewell consolidating, Rock Hills enrollment will take a big hit next year because they have to report their true enrollment; not the inflated numbers they've been able to use because of Mankato-White Rock consolidation. To make matters worse, compare your classes that will be graduating this year and in the next few to what is coming into kindergarten.
As far as sports at a 3A or 4A school, yes there is more competition to earn a spot on the team in Beloit but there are also freshman, junior varsity, and varsity teams for them to find playing time. Besides, competition is not a bad thing; it is part of our society and pushes you to be better. Earning a spot on a team is more rewarding than getting one because there is no one else to do the job.
I too wish Jewell and Mankato could find ways to work together, but other than the one-sided argument that we need to "unite the county" you haven't given any good reasoning for how it benefits Jewell. Rock Hills has shown no plan for how they intend to take care of their own financial problems, other than trying to convince Jewell to consolidate. Even if that happened it only delays the problem, at some point they have to report their true numbers operate without an incentive. At that point Rock Hills will have to cut costs and they will not be stable. I don't think the parents and kids of Jewell are interested in going through this process again.
"Rock Hills has shown no plan for how they intend to take care of their own financial problems..."

Where does this come from? Has the school board or administration from Rock Hills told you they have financial problems? Maybe you need to do some checking with them to see what kind of planning they have been doing from the beginning of the White Rock/Mankato consolidation to plan for the 4th year. Also, why wouldn't they ask Jewell AGAIN to consolidate? Why shouldn't Jewell County get over $1.5 million in consolidation incentives over the next 3 years AND give the property owners a break for 3 to 4 years in mill levy AND give the Jewell landowners a bigger break by giving the USD 279 the benefit of a portion of the LOB being funded by the state? The Beloit school district seems to be doing just fine. Adding the USD 279 land would just be gravy for them. Maybe some of the USD 279 folks need to look deep deep down in their hearts and really think about where they consider their home to be.
amazed

Beloit, KS

#30 Nov 29, 2008
Concerned Patron wrote:
Actually Beloit is offering to keep a K-6 building in Jewell; Rock Hills is the one that has wavered on that topic. Keeping a building is best for the community of Jewell. This keeps groceries, fuel, etc bought in Jewell. What's in it for Jewell if the only businesses who benefit are in Mankato? Are we talking about what's best for the county or what's best for Mankato?
As far as for the kids, they have friends in Beloit too. Many of their parents work together and they know each other from other various activities. Beloit has outstanding extra-curricular activities and they offer more than Rock Hills (orchestra, wrestling, baseball, etc.) Academically they are very similar in their achievements.
One big thing that Beloit has over Rock Hills is stability. I don't think Jewell parents want to have to go through all of this again in the future when the incentive runs out and Rock Hills has to figure out how to operate with over $500,000 less in their budget. Why would Jewell want to combine with Rock Hills only to watch Bill Walker squander yet another incentive?
Bottom line, if Rock Hills were in Jewell's shoes, would they choose to bail us out or take the choice that offers the most longevity and opportunity for their students?
Please explain Beloit's "stability" in reference to your high school principal position.

How has Bill Walker squandered Rock Hills' incentive? The last I knew, a school board has to approve expenditures. Are you implying that the various people who have filled the 7 board positions for Rock Hills over the last 3 years have squandered the incentive?
Concerned Patron

Concordia, KS

#31 Nov 29, 2008
Please, I would love to hear how Rock Hills has planned for life after the incentive. I've never heard anyone explain what Rock Hills has done to prepare for next year when they will have $500,000 less in their operating budget than they do this year? By the way that number is straight from Kansas Department of Education. Oh, and by the way please don't tell me about their capital outlay money or their contigency fund, I'm talking about their general operating budget that they can use to pay their staff and buy supplies for students.

Once again, it seems like the only argument that is offered by Rock Hills is to do what is best for the county. What Jewell needs to do is consider what is best for their kids long term, not what their neighbors to "feel" is best. This is not a county issue or a deep deep heart issue, it is an educational issue. It seems like whenever Jewell is supposed to do what is best "for the county" what is really meant is do what's best for Mankato/Rock Hills. USD 279 needs to do what is best for the students of Jewell.
concerned parent

United States

#32 Nov 29, 2008
first of all what do you concerned patron of beloit think will happen to the business of jewell

if you go to beloit to pick-up your kid or go to a game will you stop at the grocery store will you
go to dollar general will u pick up parts in beloit etc...the business's in jewell need everything they get. also what's to say how the rest of jewell county will patronize jewell if they go to beloit instead with rock hills. jewell
should of done this 3 years ago and been done then
they could had a say in name,colors, and a school
building. ron kelly is to blame along with the board for not doing more research and thinking with their own minds not his. yeah spend spend spend on there school buildings for what to close
them down??????????yeah could go on and on but this is old news. this should be settled quickly and let's worry about our childrens education.
concerned parent

United States

#33 Nov 29, 2008
so it's ok for rock hill studets to go thru this
again now and not jewell give me a break concerned patron of beloit
Concerned Patron

Concordia, KS

#34 Nov 29, 2008
Over and over I have asked to hear the "plan" that Rock Hills has for life after the incentive and I never get a response. Over and over I have asked how going to Rock Hills is better for THE KIDS of Jewell than going to Beloit and I never get a good reason. All I ever hear is the same tired, one-sided argument that it is what is best for Jewell County, which actually means that it is best for Mankato.

Why all of the sudden, if life is so grand at Rock Hills, are they interested in bringing Jewell on board? There has never been any county unity before, why now when Jewell is considering other options is "county unity" the theme to all of Rock Hills' arguments. Rock Hills was so worried about Jewell kids that they didn't even want them to play on their high school football team or have their junior high cheerleaders wear their own colors on the sideline! Now they are supposed to believe that Rock Hills is concerned about what's best for their kids and make a decision because it's best for the county? If they were selling that to you would you buy it?
Let the People be Heard

Concordia, KS

#35 Nov 30, 2008
All the parents, students, and taxpayers of Jewell district should have the "say" on what direction the money and students needs to go. It is my belief that a few board members are making the decision for the future of the district. Give a community survey and then all concerned will have a better idea what should be done.
Concerned Patron

Beloit, KS

#36 Nov 30, 2008
Jewell is conducting a survey to find out what the people want, they are due back by December 4th so hopefully soon it will be known what the people want.

Why in the world would you "believe" that any of the board members would want to go out on their own and make a decision without the support of their patrons? That's why they are holding all of these meetings and conducting a survey to try to discern what is best for the kids and what the people of the district want. These board members will continue to live in the community and they are simply trying to share information with the public and then do what the people who elected them want. There are no agendas being served, they are trying to decide what is best for kids, which is obviously something that not everyone will agree on. Just because the decision may not follow what some people want does not mean that they are doing it to spite Mankato or to serve themselves. To imply that is wrong and an insult to their efforts and integrity.
4 the kids

Hays, KS

#37 Nov 30, 2008
Ya the way they informed everyone last time??? If they had not ben so biased against Mankato then we would not be in this mess now. That survey three years ago was a joke. The questions were slanted as to get the answers that Kelley and his desiples wanted. Almost everyone I talk to wants to go north, but I bet it won't happen. The land will go south, but I bet most kids will go North. It is simply a better fit for our kids.
4 the kids

Hays, KS

#38 Nov 30, 2008
Also Ihave it on good authority that Rock Hills wanted Jewell to play there, but they needed another board meeting to make that happen. Once again a couple of people minipulated the situation to fill there own agenda, they wanted nothing to do with RH. As far as the Junior High playing with RH, why don't you talk to some parents, I think most were happy with how it went.Ask the eighth grade boys who they want to play with next year. Im pretty sure you will here Rock Hills.

DON'T HATE CONSOLODATE!!!!!!!!!!
Concerned Patron

Beloit, KS

#39 Nov 30, 2008
Do you mean consolidate? For people who talk about how great their school is your spelling is atrocious (by the way that means bad!)

I'm trying to have an educated discussion and all I get is worn out rhetoric about how "it's best for the county" and catchy little phrases that have no substance (and are misspelled.) First you ask for a survey and then before the results are made known you claim that it is manipulated and biased. You continually insult the people of the Jewell community and the board they have elected and then you have the audacity to wonder how they could even consider going somewhere else. The arguments that I am hearing are based on misunderstanding, fear, and disrespect. If Rock Hills really wanted Jewell (and not just their money) they would be more hospitable and courteous and present objective rationale for consolidating and not emotionally charged divisive opinions.

I have not heard anyone from Beloit claim that if Jewell doesn't combine with them that Jewell hates them or that the board members are corrupt. Instead they have offered an open invitation and been very welcoming to Jewell and have only offered information to help make the decision. A much different approach has been taken by our two "neighbors." Which one would you find more appealing?
4 the kids

Hays, KS

#40 Nov 30, 2008
My school? didn't know we even talked about my school. I looked across all posts, and it would appear almost all are from 279 patrons. As far as insulting the Jewell community I don't see it. I also really get the feeling from your tone that you don't like RH, or have issues about them. I think the RH board has been trying to reach out and be hospitable and curteous. Jewell, WhiteRock and Mankato have had an open dialogue for years. WhiteRock and Jewell had a very successful co-op, the only reason it ended was WhiteRocks inability to continue do to enrollment.
Friday night Jewell plays at Mankato, watch the kids, and parents and how they interact together, we are all friends, and can make this work, if given a chance. As far as spelling, the bad thing about this board iS afer you hit the post button there is no editing your post so sometimes you are just stuck with somthing that makes youlook pretty dumb. AND WITH THAT I AM DONE POSTING ON THIS SUBJECT

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