Horses seized from equine rescuer

Butte County Animal Control recently seized 15 horses from an equine rescue organization south of Palermo, alleging the animals were emaciated and needed medical care. Full Story
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krm

Sacramento, CA

#1 Dec 10, 2010
Thank you for the article. I hope that you continue to follow this case and hopefully get some answers. Can you find out if this is the standard procedure in Oroville/Butte County? Can you find out how many similiar complaints they get that are followed by seizures without specific forwarning? Is Pigeon Fever considered a "death sentence" in Butte County? As long as I'm writing, are records and counts kept of the number of horses euthanized by NorCal, Dr. Weaver, and similar entities in the county? Have the NorCal horses been evaluated by a vet (other than Dr. Weaver or her associate?)- This event just begs so many questions?
Briana

Chico, CA

#2 Dec 10, 2010
So people who passed by and saw thin horses made complaints. Did anyone ever stop to think that horses that come into rescues are thin? Lucky for NorCal Horse Plus they always find a well hidden place to keep horses and jump you if you even drive down their road because their horses stay thin or just disappear at the euth clinics.
husker 01

Emeryville, CA

#3 Dec 10, 2010
Normally A/C gives a written code violation if a horse or any animal owner has no shelter for an animal.
Most horse owners get 30 days notice telling them to get shelter up, IF that county enforces the penal code.
A/C has to enforce this with ALL horse owners, not just
AAA.
Many counties in CA. do not enforce the law, as they read the law to mean provide shelter for ALL animals. The cattlemen
do not provide for the cattle, so it is a gray area to some.

The vet has the horses at her property, which seems to be a conflict of interest. NOrmally A/C agencies have private homes or another rescue to take in seized horses, NOT a VET.
And certainly not a vet that is Kill happy.

I find it odd that a state vet or another vet is not asked
to give an opinion. Weaver is not the most trusting vet to have. Sounds like the connection with Weaver and Horse Plus h.s. AKA Norcal ( who was present at the seizure)
have a vendetta going.

I suggest the A/C agency to go check out the horses at Norcal, who get fed once a day and are some very emaciated.

I guess that is o.k. because she calls herself a Humane Society, even though the Attorney General has not officially done so.

Shame on A/C and Weaver for killing this horse of Christina's.
one who knows

Paradise, CA

#4 Dec 10, 2010
"Weaver is not the most trusting vet to have. Sounds like the connection with Weaver and Horse Plus h.s. AKA Norcal ( who was present at the seizure)"
I have had several problems with Weaver engaging her ears when I expand a problem with my horse. She assumes way to much. I do not recommend her at all. I have changed vets and found I was not the only one who found her impossible to work with and her limited knowledge of horses with rare problems.
Please note she is impossible to be reached in an emergency situation no matter how much you need a vet.Please do not wait to have an emergency and need a vet and find you do not have one. I suggest you arrange to meet with several vets in the Butte and Yuba areas first!
Weaver has a limited knowledge on good quality feed. Her partner seems to get it.I know this because of people at the state level that do judging at the university's.
If these horses are that old are they taking into account they would be special needs?? Feed should be offered, I doubt if they would do nothing more than gum it and make a mess. If older they should be on grain, mash, sr. choice or other diets.
I am sure they do have a conflict of interest with weaver and nor/cal equine rescue. So the animals should have a 2nd opinion.
Basic

Paradise, CA

#5 Dec 10, 2010
I would want a total accounting of the $3,500. and get a second opinion right away. Animal control left animals out off of sunny brook lane at a empty house for months. They dropped off feed now and then. They have no idea when it comes to older horses or horses in general how to take of them.
Huh

Chico, CA

#6 Dec 10, 2010
The article says that animal control worked with the rescue place for at least a year. I find it hard to beleive that this came as a total surprise. If she had documentation about the shape the horses were in when she got them and vet records to show how they've improved since then, I doubt the horses would have been seized. It's commendable that the rescue place is trying to save horses but it doesn't sound like she is capable of taking care of them. The place has been open for 18 months but she hasn't been able to build shelters becuase she only rents? Standing under a tree while it's pouring rain is not proper shelter. How long did she have possession of the horses that were emaciated? Did she have them long enough for them to gain weight? I'm sure a lot of infomration will come to light when this case goes to court. If animal control was out to shut down the rescue place, they would have taken all of the horses instead of leaving three.
Amy Roosevelt

Chico, CA

#7 Dec 10, 2010
Butte County Animal control is incompetent and corrupt. The horses are getting worse care with them than they got at the rescue. Animal control needs to be investigated for abuse of power. They are supposed to be helping poor neglected animals, not well-cared-for rescued horses.
Huh

Chico, CA

#8 Dec 10, 2010
Amy Roosevelt wrote:
Butte County Animal control is incompetent and corrupt. The horses are getting worse care with them than they got at the rescue. Animal control needs to be investigated for abuse of power. They are supposed to be helping poor neglected animals, not well-cared-for rescued horses.
If the horses were well taken care of, she should have no problem getting them back when they go to court.
A neighbor

United States

#9 Dec 10, 2010
My observation is that teh horses are fed both morning and night. They look the way they do because they are all rescue animals. I have noticed improvement inteh physic of most of the horses and am grateful that important work like this is going on in our challenging economy when so many have had to abandon their horses due to reduced circumstances.
I believe Animal Control is a a great example of modern-day government over-reaching; involving themselves in private party's business. I agree with a previous post stating they need to re-evaluate their purpose and get back to that - leaving the strong-arm tactics alone.
Facebook

Chico, CA

#10 Dec 10, 2010
I used to have NorCal/Horse Humane on my "likes", I have posted to their facebook page quite a few times and they have deleted every one of them. They were not postings that were leaning one way or the other, they were a generic opinion. What are these people hiding? Maybe the $10,000 for the 40 horses that were in a double decker truck? I have met the owner of the Rescue. She if very nice and was riding with her family on the trails. She is using her own money (unlike Horse Humane who is only using "poor me" money). She offered to groom my cat and also give me a good deal. She not only is trying to help horses out of her own pocket, she is giving people good deals... on her hard work. Is this all because she obtained a 503C and is competition to them. It was posted previously that Norcal began down a dark deserted road and that person is absolutely correct. I heard that there were terrible conditions when they were there. But that is ok? Ya, I think that there is a little more to this story and hopefully it will come out. I have now unliked them and do not litter my facebook page with their unbelievably exagerated lies.
Hopefully a lot more will come out when it goes to court..........
husker 01

United States

#11 Dec 11, 2010
Butte County Animal Control better be enforcing the penal code for animals shelter for all the residents, not just AAA Equine Rescue.

I have called on thin horses in my area, to find out
A/C gets many calls but the horses are fine.

I wonder how many people that complain ever ask the horse owner if they need some help?

If I see a thin horse and contact A/C, I leave my name and number and if the owner ever needs help with feeding the horses I want them to call me to try to help feed them.

Shame on this so called Humane Society, who by the way is not up to date with the State and who officially calls them a HUMANE SOCIETY?

By all info from folks that have been to Norcal,
the horses have dirty water, junky living area,
and fed once a day.
Yet, Tawny and Jason and Larry, found time to go
watch the seizure of AAA horses.

Clean up your own yard Norcal, the A/C cant force AAA to have shelter if the rest of the county animals dont have shelter!!!!!!!!!!
Basic

Paradise, CA

#12 Dec 11, 2010
Huh wrote:
The article says that animal control worked with the rescue place for at least a year. I find it hard to beleive that this came as a total surprise. If she had documentation about the shape the horses were in when she got them and vet records to show how they've improved since then, I doubt the horses would have been seized. It's commendable that the rescue place is trying to save horses but it doesn't sound like she is capable of taking care of them. The place has been open for 18 months but she hasn't been able to build shelters becuase she only rents? Standing under a tree while it's pouring rain is not proper shelter. How long did she have possession of the horses that were emaciated? Did she have them long enough for them to gain weight? I'm sure a lot of infomration will come to light when this case goes to court. If animal control was out to shut down the rescue place, they would have taken all of the horses instead of leaving three.
Way out off of Dunstone the the other rescue (Norcal)has hidden horses and they only have four shelters for so MANY horses. The hay is full of mold. I think if they went to slaughter it would of been better than dieing from moldy hay strangles and many other problems that they have.Because they are not seen from the road no one has a clue!!!! Maybe some one should look into these allegations. At least this woman was caring for horses from this area not going to the boarder to get 80 and get air time on tv to get more donations. They should think about what they do before mud slinging!!! Something is smelling very fishy in my book.
Basic

Paradise, CA

#13 Dec 11, 2010
A neighbor wrote:
My observation is that teh horses are fed both morning and night. They look the way they do because they are all rescue animals. I have noticed improvement inteh physic of most of the horses and am grateful that important work like this is going on in our challenging economy when so many have had to abandon their horses due to reduced circumstances.
I believe Animal Control is a a great example of modern-day government over-reaching; involving themselves in private party's business. I agree with a previous post stating they need to re-evaluate their purpose and get back to that - leaving the strong-arm tactics alone.
Then you should go to court and tell them what you have seen.
BarnChick

United States

#14 Dec 11, 2010
Why has this become an attack on Dr. Weaver and NorCal/Horse Plus? The problem is the fact that Christina had way too many horses on her property and could not take care of them. I am a neighbor that has seen these animals from the very beginning. Skinny horses come to her and stay skinny or get skinnier and healthy horses become thin as well. The horses are not fed on a regular basis are kept in pastures with substandard fencing, and I have driven by horses with blankets that haven't been removed for days that are twisted and falling off. Once a horse gets tangled in straps of a blanket that is falling off you can have huge problems; however these horses are probably too malnourished to put up a fight. The Butte County Animal Control has been working this case for a long time and I'm happy they finally got these animals out of there. Maybe everyone that thinks Christina should get her horses back should drive by and take a look at her facility...you tell me if you would want your animals living in those conditions. Check out the fencing that is falling down, junk in the pasture,and trees that have been eaten as far as the horses could reach (because there's nothing else to eat). Thank you Butte County Animal Control.
BarnChick

United States

#15 Dec 11, 2010
Basic wrote:
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Way out off of Dunstone the the other rescue (Norcal)has hidden horses and they only have four shelters for so MANY horses. The hay is full of mold. I think if they went to slaughter it would of been better than dieing from moldy hay strangles and many other problems that they have.Because they are not seen from the road no one has a clue!!!! Maybe some one should look into these allegations. At least this woman was caring for horses from this area not going to the boarder to get 80 and get air time on tv to get more donations. They should think about what they do before mud slinging!!! Something is smelling very fishy in my book.
All you need to do is take the next road after Melody is is 4 Junes to find NorCal/Horse Plus. I don't believe that would be considered "hiding" horses. Maybe they don't do everything right but they're horses do show signs of improvement after they have been on site. Christina was trying to do a good thing but I think it got out of control. She should have only taken in animals she could afford to properly take care of.
owner of taken horse

Chico, CA

#16 Dec 11, 2010
On Friday, December 3rd, I called Animal Control to inquire about my boarded horse which was seized on December 2nd from AAA Equine Rescue. I notified the man on staff that my horse needed grain because her teeth are almost gone and a blanket on due to her age and losing weight due to the cold weather. On Saturday, December 4th, I called Look Ahead Veterinary to inquire about getting my horse, which had been seized from Animal Control on December 2nd. Look Ahead said that I could not get my horse. I had (and still have) a trailer and have been offered 10 acres in which to keep my horse. So it's not like I can't take care of her. On Wednesday, December 8th, at the hearing for AAA Equine Rescue, I saw paperwork that claimed my horse, Chablis, had a bill of $150.00. This is for feed (grass hay) which she can not eat due to her teeth, boarding, a wormer, and a vet check, in 6 days. She still does not have a blanket on. She still is not being fed grain. She looks ten times worse in the picture that Animal Control provided after only being there for 2 days.

My horse may have been old and losing weight, but she was not malnourished or emaciated. We had my daughter stop riding her about 3 weeks before this because we saw that she was losing weight and wanted to make sure she could gain it back instead of using her energy riding. She still has a lot of spunk in her and loved going for rides. My fear now is that due to over a week of not being fed grain, she won't make it through the hearing.

My daughter and I have been volunteering at AAA Equine Rescue for over a year now and I have only good things to say about Christina. She is patient, kind, and wants only the best for each horse. She has plenty of great rescue stories she could tell. The only difference is she doesn't have every success story plastered on the website. She's busy working with horses.

Maybe instead of passing judgment we should be asking how we can help. People help out the SPCA by providing food and bedding all the time. Maybe it's time we look into helping her, too.
Basic

Paradise, CA

#17 Dec 12, 2010
Well again the horses I have seen are out off of dunstone. not good. I hope some good will come out from this and soon. again horses that are old need to be places somewhere other than weavers. just going off my experience with her.REALLY I am not attacking but spca should be aware its not a good idea to leave them at her facility. maybe a foster home?
BarnChick

Moline, IL

#18 Dec 14, 2010
I really would like to know where the rest of the horses are that Christina had in her care? Animal Control took 15, there are 3 left at her house, but where are the rest? I know that there are probably 5 to 10 more horses that are not spoken for. Did Animal Control know that she had horses in an inadequate pasture further down Melody?

To the boarder that had her horse at AAA.....why? Was your horse in a makeshift corral hidden behind the house or out to pasture. If she was out to pasture she definitely wasn't being fed grain.
wow

Williston, VT

#19 Dec 18, 2010
All you really have to do is look at the photos on the AAA website to see how the horses are cared for, they arrive thin or even healthy and gradually become emaciated while in their care. There are even photos of children RIDING emaciated horses. I feel sorry for those who "bought in" to this rescue as volunteers or donators, but you really need to educate yourself on true rescuing and what occurs. You are supposed to take in thin or unwanted horses and actually FEED and CARE for them. Old horses do not need to be thin if properly cared for.
There are dated photos that document the neglect on AAA's own website.
neyankee

Phoenix, AZ

#20 Jan 25, 2011
barnchick the reason this has become an attack on Weaver and Norcal is because none of the AAA supporters are willing to discuss the real issue, which is the fact that Christina neglected these horses.

Is the same old game of defend and deflect, blame others, and throw in a juicy conspiracy theory. Anything to avoid the facts and personal responsibility.

AAA is their own worst enemy in this case. Dated photos on their own website show horses deteriorating after rescue. And AAA supporters merrily ignore that fact and go on blaming others.
Same old broken record.......

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