Motorcyclist dies in crash

There are 15 comments on the Jun 30, 2010, Oroville Mercury-Register story titled Motorcyclist dies in crash. In it, Oroville Mercury-Register reports that:

A man riding a motorcycle died Monday afternoon in a collision that happened when the driver of a small car made a left turn off Forbestown Road without "observing" the oncoming bike, according to the California Highway Patrol.

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Rocklin, CA

#21 Jul 1, 2010
It was an accident. Plain and simple. When you are on a motorcycle, you have no protection and you die. Accidents happen. You make that choice to take the chance when you get on the bike. Unfortunately, for this man, the accident happened to him. If he has been in a car, he would be alive today.

Since: May 08

Oroville

#22 Jul 1, 2010
"If he has been in a car, he would be alive today." Maybe, and if he had been in a logging truck, the two girls would be dead!
Yes, those of us who ride, at least myself, would rather die on a motorcycle than live in a car!
According to the story (which may be wrong) the bike was going west in mid afternoon. The sun would have been behind the car driver. There is a hill crest west of Hurlton that does hide oncoming traffic to some extent. If you see a car waiting to turn, you would assume it was waiting for you to pass before making the turn. the speed limit is 55 mph. Even if the rider had slowed, if the driver turned in front of him at the last second, there is no avoiding a crash.
For whatever reason, this drivers actions caused a person to die. Operating any vehicle is a hugh responsibility too many take lightly.
Dont forget

Oroville, CA

#23 Jul 1, 2010
this is butte county.....ppl are allowed to drink and drive, kill eachother, take guns to school and shoot them in the air.....Our DA doesnt care.
Accidents? on purpose? oh well doesnt matter.
Point is she was turning left, he hit her . hes dead. chance u take when u ride a bike
Why

Cottonwood, CA

#24 Jul 1, 2010
"Yes, those of us who ride, at least myself, would rather die on a motorcycle than live in a car!"
REALLY??? Ok... Let's hope that's what this poor man wanted.
jean lee

Paradise, CA

#25 Jul 1, 2010
Neil wrote:
I had a couple of those loud motorcycles pass me at a high rate of speed on a double yellow on Olive Hwy just past the casino..Then they ran red light on Foothill Blvd continued to pass people all the way down Olive hwy..maybe it was Karma and Steve was one of those guys driving careless..
Karma? This was a member of our community, this mans son is in the Navy now on his way home to bury his father and try to console his mother. I am not saying the girl shuold be charged I was not there and do not know the circumstances but before everyone goes around talking about idiot motorcyclist there are just as many bad drivers in cars and trucks then those that ride motorcycles also the main point is the a man lost his life, and no matter who was at fault he will never return and the girl in the car will have to live with that for the rest of her life. What is wrong with our community when an accident happens and we all take sides and place blame. take the time to think what would you be saying if this was your family?
WHAM

Chico, CA

#26 Jul 2, 2010
I wonder if this guy was at the big rally at the biker bar in downtown Oroville that day. The tavern patrons like to go there and get drunk and high on meth,(not always in that order). Then they get on their open piped glorified two cylnder lawn mowers and race through all the downtown neighborhoods. If this guy was one of these inconsiderate jokers he could have been juiced or ampped up possibly.
The police should check to see if this particular rider was at this event. If he was, the young lady was not at fault. I see these jokers drive for the most part at very high rates of speeds when they are set loose from this bummer establishment.
It is hard to judge making a safe left turn when the on-coming vehicle is doing more than twice the speed limit!
moto

Oroville, CA

#27 Jul 2, 2010
Motorcyclists are actually taught that it is safer to "split" lanes in order to ride through traffic. This believe it or not, decreases chances of accidents. It may make you uncomfortable, but it is essentially decreasing both yours and the riders risk of endangerment.

This was posted on the CHP website: http://www.chp.ca.gov/html/answers.html
"Lane splitting by motorcycles is permissible but must be done in a safe and prudent manner."
Now granted the cyclist should not have cut you off, he does have the right to pass you.
Crazy wrote:
She should have made a complete stop. The sun could have blinded her from seeing him coming. He could have been driving too fast for her to see him coming. Who knows? This is just an unfortunate incident and my heart goes out to this man's children.
Riding a motorcycle is a chosen risk. Yes, those driving cars should be watchful for motorcyclists, but motorcyclists bear some of the responsibility too. Who of you has never had a motorcycle come barreling down the middle of two lanes, driving between you and another car....essentially making their own lane? How many of you felt it nearly caused you to swerve off the road? Motorcyclists need to follow the same rules as everyone else on the road and think of the safety of those in vehicles too.
I was at the stop sign at the Grand Ave exit by Texaco last week. I waited for the person on my right (coming from near CHP)to go and then it was my turn. Guess what? A motorcyclist behind that car saw no problem pulling out right behind him and cutting me off. Guess he thought since his bike could get up and go faster he might as well cut right in there. I thought I shouldn't have applied my brakes and taught him a lesson....but only briefly. Of course my morals wouldn't allow that. Funny thing is, he had a CHP duffle bag on the back of his bike.

Since: Mar 10

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#28 Jul 2, 2010
How can killing someone by negligent driving not be a felony? So if I run down a group of kids in a crosswalk I just get a misdemeanor?
james

Cottonwood, CA

#29 Jul 2, 2010
I arrived at this "accident" before the ambulances and before the man was dead and helped the best I could along with a couple of others who had stopped. It was very sad to see this man dying on hot pavement with none of his family around to be there for him. I also put up a cross where it happened just this morning. By the way I am an atheist but thought there should be something at the spot if his family drives out there. Also the sun was definitely behind the driver of the car not in her eyes. I don't know what the punishment should be but an innocent man died because of this 18 yr. old girl's negligence. The motorcyclist was driving down a long straightaway and she should have easily seen him if she had been paying proper attention.
Shocked

United States

#30 Jul 2, 2010
WHAM wrote:
I wonder if this guy was at the big rally at the biker bar in downtown Oroville that day. The tavern patrons like to go there and get drunk and high on meth,(not always in that order). Then they get on their open piped glorified two cylnder lawn mowers and race through all the downtown neighborhoods. If this guy was one of these inconsiderate jokers he could have been juiced or ampped up possibly.
The police should check to see if this particular rider was at this event. If he was, the young lady was not at fault. I see these jokers drive for the most part at very high rates of speeds when they are set loose from this bummer establishment.
It is hard to judge making a safe left turn when the on-coming vehicle is doing more than twice the speed limit!
How would you know what goes on inside this bar unless your in their as well? If the young and most likely inexperienced driver had stopped completly and was giving the highway her full attention this would not have happened. I feel for her as well. Driving may be something she does not do again. No matter what any human being on a motorcycle is doing does not automatically make them a target for the drivers of cars and trucks to run over, turn in front of or cause injury to. If you don't see us WE DIE.
Shocked

United States

#31 Jul 2, 2010
james wrote:
I arrived at this "accident" before the ambulances and before the man was dead and helped the best I could along with a couple of others who had stopped. It was very sad to see this man dying on hot pavement with none of his family around to be there for him. I also put up a cross where it happened just this morning. By the way I am an atheist but thought there should be something at the spot if his family drives out there. Also the sun was definitely behind the driver of the car not in her eyes. I don't know what the punishment should be but an innocent man died because of this 18 yr. old girl's negligence. The motorcyclist was driving down a long straightaway and she should have easily seen him if she had been paying proper attention.
James, your an awesome angel for this act of humanity.
Jennifer Greenman

Maineville, OH

#32 Jul 8, 2010
I'm Stephen Greenman's daughter. I knew how he rode his bike. I read the police reports. I looked at the accident site. He was not out ripping it up. He was coming home to his wife, my mom, after visiting a friend. He was home to meet her every day when she came home from work.

He had the right of way, he was driving under the speed limit. It was 3:45 in the afternoon so the sun was high to the west and not in anyone's eyes. From all the evidence, the driver was slowed to a crawl getting ready to turn. My father probably thought she saw him and was waiting for him to pass. Instead she whipped left in front of him giving him no chance to evade or stop. There is a 30 foot skid mark to prove he saw her and tried to stop. He slammed into the back passenger side of her car and died instantly.

I don't believe there was any malice but there was certainly negligence. She did not look. She did not see him. It's a very hard lesson for this young girl.

In the meantime a father, brother, lover, and friend was lost to us all.
Jennifer Greenman

Maineville, OH

#33 Jul 8, 2010
james wrote:
I arrived at this "accident" before the ambulances and before the man was dead and helped the best I could along with a couple of others who had stopped. It was very sad to see this man dying on hot pavement with none of his family around to be there for him. I also put up a cross where it happened just this morning. By the way I am an atheist but thought there should be something at the spot if his family drives out there. Also the sun was definitely behind the driver of the car not in her eyes. I don't know what the punishment should be but an innocent man died because of this 18 yr. old girl's negligence. The motorcyclist was driving down a long straightaway and she should have easily seen him if she had been paying proper attention.
James -- thank you for the cross. My dad wasn't religious but he understood symbolism and we are glad the cross is there. There are too many of them littered around the county. I wrote his name on it and put flowers up. I'm glad to know there was someone with my dad when he died.
Jennifer Greenman

Maineville, OH

#34 Jul 8, 2010
WHAM wrote:
I wonder if this guy was at the big rally at the biker bar in downtown Oroville that day. The tavern patrons like to go there and get drunk and high on meth,(not always in that order). Then they get on their open piped glorified two cylnder lawn mowers and race through all the downtown neighborhoods. If this guy was one of these inconsiderate jokers he could have been juiced or ampped up possibly.
The police should check to see if this particular rider was at this event. If he was, the young lady was not at fault. I see these jokers drive for the most part at very high rates of speeds when they are set loose from this bummer establishment.
It is hard to judge making a safe left turn when the on-coming vehicle is doing more than twice the speed limit!
Hey WHAM -- go f**k yourself. My dad was not a meth head but one wonders where your head is at to think such a thing, much less say it in print behind your anonymous nametag. Stephen Greenman rode for fun and spent most of his time taking care of his wife and building things.
Tinkerbell

Hayward, CA

#35 Jul 8, 2010
Jennifer Greenman wrote:
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Hey WHAM -- go f**k yourself. My dad was not a meth head but one wonders where your head is at to think such a thing, much less say it in print behind your anonymous nametag. Stephen Greenman rode for fun and spent most of his time taking care of his wife and building things.
Jennifer,
My heart goes out to you and your family.. What a shame that people are so ignorant and stupid that write on here. Wham is that typical ignorant person. Good for you, for setting him straight. God Bless you and your family.

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