Motorcyclist dies in crash

Motorcyclist dies in crash

There are 35 comments on the Oroville Mercury-Register story from Jun 30, 2010, titled Motorcyclist dies in crash. In it, Oroville Mercury-Register reports that:

A man riding a motorcycle died Monday afternoon in a collision that happened when the driver of a small car made a left turn off Forbestown Road without "observing" the oncoming bike, according to the California Highway Patrol.

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What

Oroville, CA

#1 Jun 30, 2010
She was at a dead stop, he hit her and died and they can charge her with manslaughter? Ugh. I hate this system butte county has for charging or not charging people....
What about the Lady in Berry Creek Last year who Failed to stop in the contruction zone, rearended a stopped M/C and Killed him???? She was completely without a doubt at fault and let go
Mom in Oroville

Willows, CA

#2 Jun 30, 2010
What wrote:
She was at a dead stop, he hit her and died and they can charge her with manslaughter? Ugh. I hate this system butte county has for charging or not charging people....
What about the Lady in Berry Creek Last year who Failed to stop in the contruction zone, rearended a stopped M/C and Killed him???? She was completely without a doubt at fault and let go
She had ALMOST come to a dead stop and THEN she turned in front of him. She IS at fault for turning in front of him. The sun may have been in her eyes seeing as how it was in the afternoon. It is sad, but she is at fault.
no reason

Oroville, CA

#3 Jun 30, 2010
NO reason for debate...this is oroville Butte County....the 18 year old girl will probably serve jail time.....where as the 50 year old mouthy berry creek chic that killed the m/c rider last year got off....
Mom in Oroville wrote:
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She had ALMOST come to a dead stop and THEN she turned in front of him. She IS at fault for turning in front of him. The sun may have been in her eyes seeing as how it was in the afternoon. It is sad, but she is at fault.
Shocked

San Jose, CA

#4 Jun 30, 2010
A couple of weeks ago my hubby and I came up behind a van with angel wings in the windows and the words,'If you don't see us we die'. The van pulled over, we pulled along side on our motorcycle and the driver handed us her card. It is a website dedicated to Fallen Riders. Check it out. If you don't see us we die. Help spread the word. My heart goes out to the fallen rider here and the family. That girl should have stopped. I'm on the back of my hubby's bike all the time and I can tell you from experience how many drivers do not see us. Please be aware of motorcycles on the highway with you. We are on a small motorcycle, you are in a big steel cage.
Patrick Steinfeld

Chula Vista, CA

#5 Jun 30, 2010
My thoughts and prayers go out to the family of Stephen Greenman. Safety on public roads has become a serious problem for motorcyclists and always escalates during the summer months. In 2008, the Statewide Integrated Traffic Records System (SWITRS) reported that 563 motorcyclists were killed and 11,764 injured in California. Countywide, 7 motorcyclists died in Butte County and 61 were injured in 2008. The motorcyclist was at fault in 67.1% of the fatal accidents. That does not appear to be the case here.

It has been my experience as a (past) daily driver of motorcycles that the most common problem involves oncoming vehicles turning left in front of a motorcyclist, and cars pulling out from side streets. Please be a safe and courteous driver.

As to the comment about the lady in Berry Creek getting offÂ…. you are referring to Judith Croy who rear ended George Schmeltz who was lawfully stopped at a construction zone. She was eventually charged with misdemeanor vehicular manslaughter and pled no contest. Unfortunately probation without jail is common in such cases absent egregious circumstances.

Patrick Steinfeld
Attorney at Law
Moto-man

Chico, CA

#6 Jun 30, 2010
Shocked wrote:
A couple of weeks ago my hubby and I came up behind a van with angel wings in the windows and the words,'If you don't see us we die'. The van pulled over, we pulled along side on our motorcycle and the driver handed us her card. It is a website dedicated to Fallen Riders. Check it out. If you don't see us we die. Help spread the word. My heart goes out to the fallen rider here and the family. That girl should have stopped. I'm on the back of my hubby's bike all the time and I can tell you from experience how many drivers do not see us. Please be aware of motorcycles on the highway with you. We are on a small motorcycle, you are in a big steel cage.
Motorcyclist also need to remember not to take for granted that drivers in cars see them also. Be prepared when coming in to intersections. You may not know it from your back, but one sun ray could be hiding you as you go along.
Traffic Guy

Oroville, CA

#7 Jun 30, 2010
Shocked wrote:
A couple of weeks ago my hubby and I came up behind a van with angel wings in the windows and the words,'If you don't see us we die'. The van pulled over, we pulled along side on our motorcycle and the driver handed us her card. It is a website dedicated to Fallen Riders. Check it out. If you don't see us we die. Help spread the word. My heart goes out to the fallen rider here and the family. That girl should have stopped. I'm on the back of my hubby's bike all the time and I can tell you from experience how many drivers do not see us. Please be aware of motorcycles on the highway with you. We are on a small motorcycle, you are in a big steel cage.
Sad that this man had to die related to this accident, many factors to consider. what what the motorcyclist rate of speed. what what was the drivers distance of visability. Isint that road on a curve. Just saying if she had stoped and than saw it was safe and went. is it possible that based on the rate of speed there was no safe way to turn. People drive way to fast on that road.
There are many many roads like this in the county. Take Oro bangor Highway and sweeds flat road. turning left onto orobangor off of Swedes Flat road if the cars are going the posted speed of 55 is an acccident no mater what if the driver does not slow down its a crap shoot.
It is important to watch out for motor cyclist for sure, however it is equally importanat for motor cyclist to not weave in and out of traffic going way to fast in blind spots.
Either way this is a very sad day for both the driver of the car and the motorcyclist and all that are effected.
Prayers for all.
Neil

AOL

#8 Jun 30, 2010
I had a couple of those loud motorcycles pass me at a high rate of speed on a double yellow on Olive Hwy just past the casino..Then they ran red light on Foothill Blvd continued to pass people all the way down Olive hwy..maybe it was Karma and Steve was one of those guys driving careless..
karla thompson

United States

#9 Jun 30, 2010
It's that time of year again when drivers of vehicles really need to be aware of motorcycles. its easy not to see one comming so we all need to "take another look both ways" before proceeding into traffic or making turns especially in rural areas. Motorcyclists also need to make thier presence known, bright colors, lights on, and my personal beliefs in loud pipes save lives allways are a plus.
passing by

United States

#10 Jun 30, 2010
she must turned in front of him, he hit the side of her car. if she was completely stopped waiting to turn into hurelton rd. he would have hit her head on, not on psgr. side. i seen the car before it was removed.
passing by

United States

#11 Jun 30, 2010
Mom in Oroville wrote:
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She had ALMOST come to a dead stop and THEN she turned in front of him. She IS at fault for turning in front of him. The sun may have been in her eyes seeing as how it was in the afternoon. It is sad, but she is at fault.
she must turned in front of him, he hit the side of her car. if she was completely stopped waiting to turn into hurelton rd. he would have hit her head on, not on psgr. side. i seen the car before it was removed.
Crazy

Oroville, CA

#12 Jun 30, 2010
She should have made a complete stop. The sun could have blinded her from seeing him coming. He could have been driving too fast for her to see him coming. Who knows? This is just an unfortunate incident and my heart goes out to this man's children.

Riding a motorcycle is a chosen risk. Yes, those driving cars should be watchful for motorcyclists, but motorcyclists bear some of the responsibility too. Who of you has never had a motorcycle come barreling down the middle of two lanes, driving between you and another car....essentially making their own lane? How many of you felt it nearly caused you to swerve off the road? Motorcyclists need to follow the same rules as everyone else on the road and think of the safety of those in vehicles too.

I was at the stop sign at the Grand Ave exit by Texaco last week. I waited for the person on my right (coming from near CHP)to go and then it was my turn. Guess what? A motorcyclist behind that car saw no problem pulling out right behind him and cutting me off. Guess he thought since his bike could get up and go faster he might as well cut right in there. I thought I shouldn't have applied my brakes and taught him a lesson....but only briefly. Of course my morals wouldn't allow that. Funny thing is, he had a CHP duffle bag on the back of his bike.
Home Town Girl

Plumas Ntl Forest, CA

#13 Jun 30, 2010
Unfortunately, it is a sad situation for everyone involved...the family of the gentleman on the motorcycle; the driver of the vehicle; and anyone who was witness to the scene, emergency crews as well. All of these lives are changed FOREVER.
what x2

Chico, CA

#14 Jun 30, 2010
What wrote:
She was at a dead stop, he hit her and died and they can charge her with manslaughter? Ugh. I hate this system butte county has for charging or not charging people....
What about the Lady in Berry Creek Last year who Failed to stop in the contruction zone, rearended a stopped M/C and Killed him???? She was completely without a doubt at fault and let go
are you crazy he totally had the right of way she pulled out in front of him she should get charged with manslaughter. He was just out for a ride and she killed him
motherx3

Chico, CA

#15 Jun 30, 2010
no reason wrote:
NO reason for debate...this is oroville Butte County....the 18 year old girl will probably serve jail time.....where as the 50 year old mouthy berry creek chic that killed the m/c rider last year got off....
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well i guess she shoould of not turned
motherx3

Chico, CA

#16 Jun 30, 2010
Moto-man wrote:
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Motorcyclist also need to remember not to take for granted that drivers in cars see them also. Be prepared when coming in to intersections. You may not know it from your back, but one sun ray could be hiding you as you go along.
it was not an intersection
motherx3

Chico, CA

#17 Jun 30, 2010
Crazy wrote:
She should have made a complete stop. The sun could have blinded her from seeing him coming. He could have been driving too fast for her to see him coming. Who knows? This is just an unfortunate incident and my heart goes out to this man's children.
Riding a motorcycle is a chosen risk. Yes, those driving cars should be watchful for motorcyclists, but motorcyclists bear some of the responsibility too. Who of you has never had a motorcycle come barreling down the middle of two lanes, driving between you and another car....essentially making their own lane? How many of you felt it nearly caused you to swerve off the road? Motorcyclists need to follow the same rules as everyone else on the road and think of the safety of those in vehicles too.
I was at the stop sign at the Grand Ave exit by Texaco last week. I waited for the person on my right (coming from near CHP)to go and then it was my turn. Guess what? A motorcyclist behind that car saw no problem pulling out right behind him and cutting me off. Guess he thought since his bike could get up and go faster he might as well cut right in there. I thought I shouldn't have applied my brakes and taught him a lesson....but only briefly. Of course my morals wouldn't allow that. Funny thing is, he had a CHP duffle bag on the back of his bike.
I do know what you are saying but not all motorcyclistis ride like that. I have been rifing for over twenty years and never have done that because I know the risk. it not fair to label all motorcylists
Moto-man

Chico, CA

#18 Jun 30, 2010
motherx3 wrote:
<quoted text> it was not an intersection
How could it not be??? The girl was turning left, crossing his lane to go some where. THAT IS AN INTERSECTION.
Hans King

United States

#19 Jun 30, 2010
Neil wrote:
I had a couple of those loud motorcycles pass me at a high rate of speed on a double yellow on Olive Hwy just past the casino..Then they ran red light on Foothill Blvd continued to pass people all the way down Olive hwy..maybe it was Karma and Steve was one of those guys driving careless..
Karma??? This man who was killed was 65 years old. A husband, Father and probably a Grandfather. Careless??? He was riding legally down Forbestown and the girl wasn't paying enough attention and killed him. Maybe she's like you and got upset because of some other motorist and thought she'd teach him.
Dougie

Chico, CA

#20 Jul 1, 2010
Why are all you people ready to condemn this young woman without the benefit of all the information at this point there seems to be no disagreement about the young woman stopping but with her stopping as she did why didn't the motorcyclist see her and take evasive action, I think we need to wait and see what the autopsy of the motorcyclist shows. As questioned previously was he exceeding the speed limit and while that is no reason for her to strike the motorcyclist that would make him equally at fact what if we find he was driving impaired and that interfered with his reflexes. I have no idea if any of these facts are relevant but neither do you and with the information available at this time you all need to reserve judgement until all facts are in evidence. I pose this question what if the autopsy show that the driver was impaired in some fashion drugs, alcohol or some other substance then I ask should she be held accountable for an accident that would not have happened if the impaired driver did the right thing and did not drive in that condition. I do not know what happened but I do know that we do not have all the information, there are to many holes and questions still in this very unfortunate accident and that is exactly what it is an accident, maybe a preventable one by the young woman making a complete full stop and looking both ways not once but twice but what if the motorcyclist also did things that were not prudent also. I think we should all reserve judgement till all facts are found

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