Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

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A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#197606 Jun 24, 2013
xolo wrote:
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Well said. And for those who like facts, homosexuality is not categorized any type of mental disorder, per the DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual), which is the standard reference for diagnosing mental disorders. There is nothing to fix or cure. For some reason that evades me, some people in the world can't grasp this and see anyone who is different than their version of "mainstream" has some type of defect.
Then why you so worried bro?

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#197613 Jun 24, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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Early on you told me no one would ever choose homosexuality.
Now you choose it?
Do you speak for all homosexuals?
What if some want children? A real marriage and family?
Once again, your denial leads you way down the stupidity dead-end.
Well said, plus there already is a cure, it's called Surgery. Ask Chas Bono who went from Lesbian to straight and her Girlfriend went from Lesbian to straight as the result of Bono's surgery.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#197614 Jun 24, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
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No, a cure should not be pursued.
Thanks for the honesty.
Imagine someone finding a cure for left-handedness. Or someone finding a cure for being a red-head. Should they be implemented?
I'm not sure if they're in the same category.
Gay people are capable of living a full, happy, healthy, productive life.
As is anyone. Yet are there not gay people who would welcome a "cure"?
We do not require any special accommodations in order to exist.
Uh oh....Big Red...I don't think you thought that line through.....what are we debating here?
We are not defective and, therefore, should not be the subject of a cure.
Heterosexuals who wish to eliminate homosexuals because it offends their religious belief system are no better than those who have practiced genocide.
If there are homosexuals who want, or even sought such a "cure", then what?
It's better that scientists should work on regeneration of lost limbs and other serious disabilities than focusing on people who function just fine without assistance.
Scientists work on ways to "cure" baldness....is that acceptable?
By the way, Pietro, do you believe the world would be a better place without homosexuals? Should we be removed from the planet?
There are no homosexuals, only heterosexuals, and the heterosexually challenged/impaired.:).

Relax Big Red...you just haven't been the same ever since "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy" went off the air.
spiffy

Monrovia, CA

#197615 Jun 24, 2013
June 2013

Now Glendora, California Police Chief "Robert Castro" has been implicated/named in another Federal Lawsuit.

How stupid of them to try that old time B.S. comes directly from the city manager and city council and of course the city attorney is in hip deep already.

When will the city of Glendora, California learn this isn't the "OLD SOUTH" and it's way past 1800's.

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#197616 Jun 24, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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First you claimed defects prevent a happy life (one of your lies),
Now you claim they 'require' a cure or elimination. If defects require anything, it is facing the reality of them honestly and fearlessly. Something most homosexuals fail to do. Hence a life built on denial of a defect that has no cure or elimination.
The above paragraph is a synopsis of what I say about homosexuality on here.
Once again, please post where I have promoted the elimination of homosexuals.
Why are you afraid to admit your defect? Instead, you pretend and try to force others to call duplicate genders the same as diverse genders. You throw children off the bus without a thought. You extol gay 'pride' parades as expressions of normalcy, and are embarrassed when pictures expose their depravity. You deny the Bible and science. You abdicate your character with constant lies and childish arguments. The list goes on.
What are you afraid of?
--See how you lie through omission? I never claimed that defects prevent a happy life. I said that gays cannot be defective because we live a happy, fulfilling, AND productive life. I also added (on a later post) that gays do not require any kind of device to help us live such a life.
Try not to ensnare yourself in the future.

--I have not claimed that defects require a cure or elimination. You are the one who has consistently said that homosexuality represents a sexual defect; one that is related to "epi-marker mistakes". You said that this "defect" is the primary reason scientists are working to find the cause of homosexuality. And now that they've zeroed in on the "epi-marker mistake" issue, they are close to a cure.
I simply deduced from your comment that you are hopeful that scientists will discover a cure for the "sexual defect" of homosexuality.

--I am not afraid to admit anything. I am genetically predisposed to having high cholesterol. I have to wear reading glasses to work crossword puzzles and read fine print. My joints pop and crack if I sit in one place too long.
But being gay IS NOT a defect. It never interfered with my life. Confronting homophobia and homophobes (for lack of better words) HAS been a problem. But I've never had to call into work and say, "I'm too gay to come to work today. I'll get a note from the doctor." I've never had to find a "Gays only" parking spot outside of Wal-Mart. Being gay has never required me to walk with a cane or a walker. I've never needed a seeing-gay-eye-dog in order to maneuver the grocery store.
Being gay has not impacted my life in any way. Therefore, it is not a defect.

--I'm not embarrassed by photos of Gay Pride Parades. It pisses me off when news channels and other media outlets RUSH to post photos of naked men at pride parades--leading people to believe that we're all interested in one thing.
It's like women who hate that various media continuously imply that they're not beautiful unless they're 5'10 and weigh 110 lbs.
It's like the African American community hates when media will look for and find the most inarticulate person in a crowd to interview and describe what took place after a news-worthy event.
These are not examples of embarrassment. These are examples of detesting stereotypes.

--I DO have concerns when it comes to mankind's reliance on scripture. To go to it over and over, instead of asking God directly, instead of relying on faith... That concerns me. As I've said many times before, I believe man thinks of the Books of the Bible as a rule book for life. And I don't think that was God's intention.

--Never questioned science... Never have... Rather, I constantly question YOUR interpretation of scientific findings. You are quick to leap to conclusions based on a THEORY that has been presented by a scientist.

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If you're going to accuse me of certain acts and beliefs, you need to make sure you've got it right.

And finally, answer the question...

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#197618 Jun 24, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Thanks for the honesty.
<quoted text>
I'm not sure if they're in the same category.
<quoted text>
As is anyone. Yet are there not gay people who would welcome a "cure"?
<quoted text>
Uh oh....Big Red...I don't think you thought that line through.....what are we debating here?
<quoted text>
If there are homosexuals who want, or even sought such a "cure", then what?
<quoted text>
Scientists work on ways to "cure" baldness....is that acceptable?
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There are no homosexuals, only heterosexuals, and the heterosexually challenged/impaired.:).
Relax Big Red...you just haven't been the same ever since "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy" went off the air.
--Of course they're in the same category. Being gay is morally neutral. It's not wrong to be gay and more than it's wrong to be a redhead or left handed. I use these specific examples because there are instances throughout history where redheads and those who used their left-hand were thought of as evil; even forced to leave their families and villages.
Obviously, we've come a long way from believing in this kind of mythology. I believe it's only a matter of time before gays are seen in the same light.

--Those gay people who want to be "cured" base their desires on religious dogma and societal pressure. So, it's like the answer above.
Remove the mythology that claims gays are evil. Remove the societal pressure that tells gays that they should be straight. And then gay people will no longer wish to change.

--We are not asking for special accommodations. We are asking for what we believe SHOULD be our rights. We believe these rights have been overlooked since the foundation of this country. We are righting a wrong. That's totally different than asking for extra or special accommodations.

--Curing baldness has to do with vanity. No doctor sees a patient and says, "Mr. Jones, I'm worried about your baldness. I'm writing you a prescription for Minoxidil. If you haven't seen vast improvement in 6 months, we're going to have to treat this surgically. I can schedule you for hair transplant surgery if we determine you need it. In the meantime, go to Walgreens with this prescription for a toupee."

--So, by denying homosexuality (and I realize you say this somewhat tongue in cheek), and calling us "heterosexually challenged", you're saying that the world would be a better place if gays were cured?

--I never watched Queer Eye for the Straight Guy. I found it to be vapid.

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#197619 Jun 24, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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As noted when I posted the articles about epi-marker mistakes, it is possible a cure would follow. I then noted that the salvation of homosexuals would be (of all people!) Christians who refuse to abort.
I gave an example of what I said, better than a 'yes or no'. Does that sound like I want homosexuals eliminated?
Do you have an example of where I said otherwise troll.
Additionally, my main focus is on pointing out the distinctions between ss couples and marriage, one being the difference between violent anal assaults and normal healthy intercourse.
For that, you slander and malign. You clearly are not 'two degrees' from Hitler.
So you finally go on record saying that you are interested in a "possible" cure for homosexuality. What's the difference between "curing" someone and "eliminating" a condition that you believe needs to be cured?

I said that you were two degrees of separation from Hitler, because he wasn't interested in converting or "curing" Jews; he just wanted to destroy them as a race.

You want the world to be rid of homosexuality by means of "curing" them.

You may not like the implications, Kim, but you truly are a monster.

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#197620 Jun 24, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Early on you told me no one would ever choose homosexuality.
Now you choose it?
Do you speak for all homosexuals?
What if some want children? A real marriage and family?
Once again, your denial leads you way down the stupidity dead-end.
I told you that no one would ever choose homosexuality given the violent and hate-filled environment in which the vast majority of gay kids, teens, and adults live.

Many of us have grown to live our lives openly IN SPITE OF the negative environment in which some of us live. In many cases, we have had to move to urban locations where we are more accepted, where there is strength in numbers.

Gays can have children. Many adopt. Many use medical means to have a child of their own. And many gays in various states can have a "real" marriage.

Your unwillingness to accept that gays are not defective, that gays should have the same rights as everyone else, and that it's simply NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS as to how we live our lives, is what continues to plague you. It's what gnaws at you. It's what drives you to this forum many times a day.

You have claimed in the past that you are not gay--not bisexual. But I'll say it again... I've NEVER seen a straight man so "well informed" about gay male sex and homosexuality in general. Your hard drive must be filled with past links to homosexual sites.

Hell hath no fury like a closeted homosexual. They are the most duplicitous kind of homosexual. Men who have been closeted for decades will admit this when they finally come clean and own up to their own real attractions.

I don't bring this up to insult or "slander" (LOL) you. I bring it up because I've never fully understood your obvious bitterness towards gays.

I have a reason to be here. Namely, I want to see that rights and protections are afforded to the LGBT community.

I still don't understand why you are here. You've got a family. You've had children. You've lived the life you want. Homosexuality hasn't impacted you in the least.

And yet you come back, day after day, week after week, year after year.

You focus on a cause and a cure. Is that a cure for yourself? Is it a cure for someone close to you?

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#197621 Jun 24, 2013
Remember: Every 1000 posts, No matter the topic: Hitler is mentioned.

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#197622 Jun 24, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
I said homosexuality is a defective orientation. It is.
That is not who you are.
When you understand that, your life will start.
Here again, you claim that homosexuality is a defective orientation; even though hundreds of thousands of scientists, psychologists, psychiatrists, pediatricians, etc. have determined that it is not.

People who have researched the issue--people much smarter than you--people who have dedicated their lives to understanding what is and what is not an illness have determined that homosexuality is not a disorder.

Yet, you come here--a former preacher--and arrogantly admit that you know better.

When YOU understand that homosexuality is not a disorder, then YOUR life will begin. You won't feel the nagging need to "change" something that does not need to be changed.

Imagine the freedom...
spiffy

Monrovia, CA

#197623 Jun 24, 2013
Now Glendora, California Police Chief "Robert Castro" has been implicated/named in another Federal Lawsuit.

When will the city of Glendora, California learn this isn't the "OLD SOUTH" and it's way past 1800's.

More lawsuits are coming to a well deserved city council and city manager not with standing the Chief of police Robert Castro is named also!

June 2013

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#197624 Jun 24, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
Remember: Every 1000 posts, No matter the topic: Hitler is mentioned.
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it..." George Santayana

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#197625 Jun 24, 2013
Luke 17:28-30 (NKJV)
28 Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: 30 Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.

The rise of the Sodomites.

Genesis 19:24 (NKJV)
24 Then the LORD rained brimstone and fire on Sodom and Gomorrah, from the LORD out of the heavens.

Luke 17:29 (NKJV)
29 but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all.
Brucie the gay parrot

UK

#197627 Jun 24, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
<quoted text>
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it..." George Santayana
in the closet

in the closet

SQUAWWWWKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#197629 Jun 24, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
<quoted text>
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it..." George Santayana
Nice phrase but: History is constantly repeated.
spiffy

Monrovia, CA

#197634 Jun 24, 2013
June 2013

Now Glendora, California Police Chief "Robert Castro" has been implicated/named in another Federal Lawsuit.

How stupid of them to try that old time B.S. comes directly from the city manager and city council and of course the city attorney is in hip deep already.

When will the city of Glendora, California learn this isn't the "OLD SOUTH" and it's way past 1800's.

The real question is "why are they so stupid and racists"?

Since: Jun 13

Sacramento, CA

#197635 Jun 24, 2013
While I think this is absolutely fantastic, Walker is only one judge and we need SCOTUS. ..Which has unfortunately pushed us off until next term.

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#197637 Jun 24, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
Sure is peaceful without that jackass Big D calling everyone liars, threatening to fight them and all his other nonsense.
No kidding and that insecure Long Beach fool. The only poster from Long Beach should be Ronald.

“Busting Kimare's”

Since: Feb 13

Clitty

#197638 Jun 24, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Worse than that, I'm a monster mutation too!
I help professionals professionally.
I help idiots on here.
Thanks for the laugh. That's the funniest thing I've read in weeks.

Still married here. Your ramblings have no legal bearing on that. See how important your opinions are?

Since: Jun 13

Sacramento, CA

#197641 Jun 24, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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Do you understand that he was saying in Iran, where he lives, you would be stoned?
And you thanked him???

Of course he thank me Im agreeing with him no? And yes I tell him not move Iran...maybe u need move Iran then u can be around other peeple who are think just like u are Im not one who will do that u seem exactly like the one who will do that.

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