Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 Full story: www.cnn.com 201,317

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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Since: Apr 13

Bellevue, WA

#187541 Apr 8, 2013
Cat Purrs wrote:
<quoted text> I'm so sorry to hear what happened to you. Your mom sounds so much like my mom. I was abused&#12288;by her as far back as I can remember from the time I was very young, until I finally got out at 17. Even now I have a really hard time talking too and relating to others.
Wow sweetie i'm sorry to hear that
Big D

Modesto, CA

#187542 Apr 8, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
I comprehend fine, others do too. You attempt to change his argument that procreation is closely related to marriage into that it's a requirement for marriage. That's not what anyone has said and you know it. You're dishonest.
Well then if they know that, then there is no longer a reason to bring up procreation, sex or religion into the discussion as none of those are any requirement for a marriage

if no one else brings them up as a reason to not allow same sex marriage, then neither will I

Otherwise you get to see it again and again and again, as often as they bring it up.

Of course we both know they will continue to bring it up, and I will continue to point it out to the.

An no one cares if you like it or not

Since: Mar 12

Milwaukee

#187543 Apr 8, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>Exactly my point, when does it stop?
When does what stop.

Since: Mar 12

Milwaukee

#187544 Apr 8, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>Sure sounds like one. Lot of bouncing and loud noises. Trying to score a point.
And clearly beating you.
Obskeptic

Sterling Heights, MI

#187545 Apr 8, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
We know for a fact that ability or intent to procreate is not a requirement for a marriage license
We know for a fact that the ability or intent to have sex of any specific kind or any at all for that matter is not a requirement for a marriage license
We know for a fact that religion is not any kind of requirement for a marriage license.
I am standing by to educate.
I also happen to know I am dealing with people that believe in the ďgolden ruleĒ that you treat others the way you want to be treated. So I will happily oblige them and treat them exactly how they treat others.
It is possible to love the sinner but not the sin. I have every bit as much right to my beliefs as you do, and society is who decides the standards to which we live. As I pointed out in a previous post, your almost there. You have removed prayer from the schools and now our children kill each other. Thanks for that. Undermining the sanctity of marriage and the traditional core family unit has and will have equally damning results over time. It is a culture war that has a double edge to it. Your sides victory when and if you win will mean the end of western society, and will insure that Islam and Sharia will dominate the human race. Thats when it will get really fun for all of us, but especially for gays.
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#187546 Apr 8, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
They can't be. It is impossible.
It is visibly obvious they are only ever a senselessly duplicated half of marriage. A desecration of sacred design. A barren imposter relationship that is always a devastating deprivation of family imposed on a child for the sake of an illusion. A violent imitation of sexual intimacy.
There is nothing, at any level that equates a ss couple to marriage.
Smile.
that's merely your opinion. the courts, however, seem to be disagreeing with you. and of course, the county clerks in the states that allow for same sex marriage.

that would imply that your opinion doesn't really amount to "a hill of beans" as my father would've put it.

good luck.

grin.

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#187547 Apr 8, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, it would be intellectually dishonest not to admit that. I have acknowledged in the past there are scattered historical example of various societies formally recognizing same sex unions, although of those that did not all equating them with marriage. There have been poly android practicing societies, but those are,extremely rare.
<quoted text>
We all know its not a requirement, why would you think it would need to be?
<quoted text>
True, but human reproduction is sexual. Conception is a natural end result of sexual intercourse.
<quoted text>
Legal marriage is, at least in 32 plus U.S. states, defined as a union of husband and wife. If one wishes to enter into a legal marriage, one must do so as it is defined by the state. Sex is also not a legal requirement of marriage and cannot be used to justify withholding legal marriage from siblings who wish to marry.
<quoted text>
I do not ignore that, I disagree as to its relevance. How many children are,being raised by adult siblings, or a mother or father, and a grandparent? So the SSC gets marital benefits package because,they are,raising children, but the adult siblings don't? Of those children being raised by SSCs, how may were the product of either party's previous conjugal marriage or other os relationship?
<quoted text>
Soooooo.....that means what? If two same sex adult siblings have adopted kids, or are raising their own bio kids just like SSCs, should they get the gov't bennies?
Unless I'm mistaken, the argument most often thrown around here is that heterosexual couples should have access to the benefits and protections of marriage PRIMARILY because they may have children.

The last part of my post was an attempt to show that there are a significant number of same-gender couples who have children. Shouldn't these be afforded the same protections and benefits under the law as opposite-gender couples who are married?

If you don't want to include children in the equation, then the fact that two, consenting, unrelated, adults who wish to partner their lives under the eyes of the government by way of marriage, should be a sufficient argument for same-gender marriage.

Don't try to throw in the ringer of plural marriage and incestuous marriages. They have already been found to be unlawful.

Same-gender marriage HAS NOTHING TO DO with incest or bigamy.

We are ONLY talking about same-gender, unrelated, consenting, adult couples.
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#187548 Apr 8, 2013
Randy -Rock- Hudson wrote:
<quoted text>
Here's the pot calling the kettle "Negro. " (Come get some, Chongo) Your side has repeatedly fed us gibberish and propaganda, from your "Whack-a-doodle" sites, and you are calling "foul"? It is to laugh.
the only sources icite are those from easily identifible institutions that are scientifically based.

you know, organizations like the apa, ama and so forth.

i'm sorry if you don't recognize those organizations - but they are national professional organizations.

i've never had to resort to religiously based websites that use no peer reviewed studies.

some folks may refer to more liberal groups - but i still prefer to check out and use Pew Research Center's findings as well as other university studies as well.

keep tryin' lil' buddy. you'll get there eventually. we're all cheering for you.
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#187549 Apr 8, 2013
Country-Girl22 wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, two attractive women.key words there. In real life most lesbians are nasty. They are dirty, butchy gross girls. Most of the time you can't tell if their a girl or man. Sometimes I wonder how a biological woman could look so manly. Its just not right! When me and my friend would mess around to get everyone going we really drew in a crowd:)lol. It was fun! But with starting a family now I can't do stuff like anymore!
you really have no clue.
Anonymous

Vallejo, CA

#187550 Apr 8, 2013
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Since: Mar 13

Location hidden

#187551 Apr 8, 2013
Emelye Waldherr wrote:
HOORAY!!
Not that this will shut the bigots up but it's sure nice to get good news now and then!
:)
I think pretty much everyone is over the fact you muff out, or beat up who's ever a$$hole you want. None of my friends care about the Same Sex Marriage issue, nor anyone else I've talk to except old skool people, religious fanatics, or undereducated ignorant hillbillies. There's bigger issues going on in this world than who you wanna lay next to at night. I think this a bigger deal than it should be. If there's an institute that doesn't allow you to get married, Why not just say, "fk em" have your significant other legally change their last name to whoever is doing the pitching, give each other rings and call it a day. The only problem I have is when it's constantly pushed in people's faces, or they shut down city blocks and fk up the traffic bc of those fkin' parades, just so people can get drunk in the middle of the day to walk around with dildos on their heads in front of everyone without taking into consideration kids might be around. Plus, is it really any surprise California the biggest libtard state passed same sex marriage law? The land of government handouts. Please, get real this is not news, and it certainly is not surprising. As for the bigots, who gives a $hit about them? Let them keep wasting their breath on something that doesn't concern them.

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#187552 Apr 8, 2013
Jaredb8 wrote:
<quoted text>
When does what stop.
Gee, I don't know, what are we talking about here? LOL
Anonymous

Richmond, VA

#187553 Apr 8, 2013
just the facts wrote:
<quoted text>When you dated your husband, he bought you things. Hey a Lobster dinner does not come free. When He married you, he purchased a home, cars, and all the other things. Baby sex aint cheap. At least Lilith is honest about it.
no love, we both work and everything we have we own together, now I suggest you shut your mouth cause you don't know sh!t!

Since: Apr 13

Bellevue, WA

#187554 Apr 8, 2013
just the facts wrote:
<quoted text>Its your choice to ignore reality Frank. The simple fact is this, we are all w hores. BTW you spend a vast majority of your day being off topic. You have never posted to the validity of the Judges actions.
Do you know the difference between a wife and a hooker?

The hooker you pay up front while the wife your on an installment payment plan
Anonymous

Richmond, VA

#187557 Apr 8, 2013
just the facts wrote:
<quoted text>I see, its ok for you NOT to live by the word of your god, BUT you expect all the rest of humanity to do so.
Maybe you should try it!
Anonymous

Richmond, VA

#187558 Apr 8, 2013
poledancer45 wrote:
<quoted text>Do you know the difference between a wife and a hooker?
The hooker you pay up front while the wife your on an installment payment plan
That's true, for the stay at home moms who don't work, and just want everything handed to them from their hard worling husband. But I'm not like that. I have a job, I buy what I want and we split the bills!

Since: Apr 13

Bellevue, WA

#187559 Apr 8, 2013
Country-Girl22 wrote:
<quoted text>no love, we both work and everything we have we own together, now I suggest you shut your mouth cause you don't know sh!t!
so you live together and have sex before marriage... wow how un christain of you
Big D

Modesto, CA

#187563 Apr 8, 2013
Obskeptic wrote:
<quoted text>
It is possible to love the sinner but not the sin. I have every bit as much right to my beliefs as you do, and society is who decides the standards to which we live. As I pointed out in a previous post, your almost there. You have removed prayer from the schools and now our children kill each other. Thanks for that. Undermining the sanctity of marriage and the traditional core family unit has and will have equally damning results over time. It is a culture war that has a double edge to it. Your sides victory when and if you win will mean the end of western society, and will insure that Islam and Sharia will dominate the human race. Thats when it will get really fun for all of us, but especially for gays.
What you donít have is the right to shove your beliefs down the throats of others, to tell others if they are allowed to marry or not that are not inside your religion.

You can set all the rules you like for your other little believers to follow, but you are not setting the rules for the rest of us, this is America the land of the free, the land of Equality, Freedom and justice for all.

I donít care if you restrict your little religion to opposite sex only marriages, I donít care if you bar black people, I donít care if you bar people with blue eyes from marrying for your little flock, but you do not set the rules for those of us that are not believers in your little religion.

Victory is already here, you just donít recognize it yet, 20 years ago no states and no nations recognized same sex marriages, today 12 states recognize them, 10 states ( plus one district ) preform them 17 nations recognize them and the numbers are increasing every year.

Worse for you and your followers is that it has brought the hate and despite of your belief system to the forefront, people are starting to see hate as the basis of what you are.

You do realize which is the fastest growing belief system in the US... it is no belief system at all. You are part of the reason for that.

Your pronouncements of doom are funny, Volcano worshipers have made such pronouncements too, as has countless other religions including yours, I value all of them equally. Islam is no better than your religion is, we wonít submit to them either.

Since: Apr 13

Bellevue, WA

#187564 Apr 8, 2013
Country-Girl22 wrote:
<quoted text>Maybe you should try it!
must suck for you knowing that the country is moving ever closer the equallity... sad for you hunh

Since: Apr 13

Bellevue, WA

#187566 Apr 8, 2013
Country-Girl22 wrote:
<quoted text>Maybe you should try it!
maybe someday you will grow out of your ignorance and accept and understand that america is for all the people and not just christains

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