Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 Full story: www.cnn.com 201,038

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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Since: Apr 13

Bellevue, WA

#186606 Apr 4, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>Fighting gay rights or gay marriage?
both
Across The Pond

Netherlands

#186607 Apr 4, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
<quoted text>
As long as both couples are of the opposite sex.....
Obviously not anymore,what are you the village moron? 10 states and counting now isn't it? That makes your bigoted post a lie! Try again sport! Yuk,Yuk,Yuk!

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#186608 Apr 4, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
<quoted text>
VV
After reading that, I went back and forth in my mind...yes and no. Personally my view on homosexuality, it is what it is. That doesn't mean marriage has to be legally redefined to address it, when other options are available.
I still don't quite get the media circus that accompanies the "I'm gay" pronouncement from some celebrity or athlete. There are times when, after hearing the latest "coming out" on the boob tube, I think "enough already....so you're no going to slap a rainbow sticker on your car....we get it".
Do you know how some Christians like announce over and over again that they are Christian? They have crosses around their necks. They have that "Jesus fish" think on their bumper. They always seem to have a piece of scripture on their tongue. Heck, there are entire network stations devoted to Christianity.

The same can be said for Judaism. The same can be said for Islam.

Are you as frustrated with these folks who seem to always be pushing their religion on you? Do you get as outraged at them when they want to "indoctrinate" your children in public schools or in other public areas?

Here's the thing... The dust will eventually settle down. LGBT people won't always have a need to "come out". At some point in the future--probably long after you and I are gone--being gay will be seen as perfectly normal. There won't be any need for us to make an special effort to make our presence known.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#186609 Apr 5, 2013
sheesh void of hate wrote:
<quoted text>
You've schooled no one. You referring to anyone as a liar is quite hilarious. Your claims about yourself are unproven and a bit farfetched as I've pointed out recently and not so recently.
Homosexuals are no more barron that heterosexual couples that resort to artificial insemination, surrogates, etc.
I suppose the numerous legally married gay couples will be surprised to find out you've declared their legally recognised marriages don't exist.
Smirk!
There is a difference between couples childless because of medical reasons and ss couples who are inherently desolate and barren.

There is also a difference between a default mother and father, and a duplicated half of parenthood. Especially to the child.

Another proof that ss 'marriage's are an oxymoron

Another schooling too...

Smirk.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#186610 Apr 5, 2013
Randy -Rock- Hudson wrote:
<quoted text>
No sir, there is a big difference between making a publicity stunt, and voicing our opinions about the current state of marriage law. That is below your intelligence to even try that. I am now the disappointed one. You infer that merely voicing opposition to your cause is "coming out', and that is not the case.
veryvermilion wrote:
<quoted text>
"...a desire to feel equal to us..."
"...bombarded by your inferior side trumpeting on about how equal you are..."
"We don't want our kids indoctrinated..."
"You have no right to tell us about yourselves..."
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1.) I DO feel equal to you. Is there any doubt in your mind that people like me are not your equal?
2.) No one is indoctrinating your kids. I don't know about you, but knew about gays when I was very young. If I'm not mistaken, it was a preacher who talked about it. Then I clearly remember a pamphlet from church that talked about Sodom and Gomorrah--showing men touching other men.
3.) What is it that bothers you so much about our telling you about ourselves? I doubt that any gay person has ever said anything more to you than "I'm gay". If anyone has regaled you with explicit details of their sex life, then that person was an idiot.
Typically, it's you guys who let your imaginations run wild--grossing yourselves out with lurid images--wondering to yourselves, "who's the man and who's the woman?".
When I haven't spoken to someone in years and I reconnect with them on facebook, one of the first questions they ask is "Are you married?" Second question is "do you have kids?"
I respond honestly and say, "No, I'm gay."
What's so disturbing about that?
More verbose gay twirl that you lied.

Simple.

Snicker.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#186611 Apr 5, 2013
poledancer45 wrote:
<quoted text>Look i'm a hetero female with a transsexual child and in no way does gay rights impact my life as a hetero female and its just ludicrously silly when people make the claim that marriage will be harmed
When you impose an imposter relation on marriage, there cannot help but be damage.

At it's most basic essence, marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior.

Ss 'marriage' is an oxymoron.

Smile.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#186612 Apr 5, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you know how some Christians like announce over and over again that they are Christian? They have crosses around their necks. They have that "Jesus fish" think on their bumper. They always seem to have a piece of scripture on their tongue. Heck, there are entire network stations devoted to Christianity.
The same can be said for Judaism. The same can be said for Islam.
Are you as frustrated with these folks who seem to always be pushing their religion on you? Do you get as outraged at them when they want to "indoctrinate" your children in public schools or in other public areas?
Here's the thing... The dust will eventually settle down. LGBT people won't always have a need to "come out". At some point in the future--probably long after you and I are gone--being gay will be seen as perfectly normal. There won't be any need for us to make an special effort to make our presence known.
The goal of religious evangelism is to convert.

Are you trying to convert heterosexuals? How does that work for converting homosexuals?

Snicker.
Ballerina2b4ever

Sonoma, CA

#186613 Apr 5, 2013
My Mom says the real problerm is that there is no sanitary clause in the Xmas nutcracker and that makes god angry and he uses his tools, which are the north koreans, to demand a recount of the papal elections and to immediately force all gays to marry lesbians and avoid stop and frisk by off duty tsa operatives under cover of darkness in swim suits and masks on holy garbage collection days.
I dont get it. I think she has gone off on the dr. peeper again. But, who knows?
Big D

Modesto, CA

#186614 Apr 5, 2013
poledancer45 wrote:
<quoted text>Look i'm a hetero female with a transsexual child and in no way does gay rights impact my life as a hetero female and its just ludicrously silly when people make the claim that marriage will be harmed
That is what I donít understand, I am a heterosexual male, married with 4 kids, none of the happen to be gay. 18,000 same sex couples legally married in California.

My marriage was not harmed in any way, none of my childrenís marriages where harmed.

What is the big deal?

They want to deny others happiness, out of what... meanness? spite? they canít claim any harm.

I just donít get what the big deal is, if they want to marry, let them, it harms no one.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#186615 Apr 5, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
The goal of religious evangelism is to convert.
Are you trying to convert heterosexuals? How does that work for converting homosexuals?
Snicker.
The problem that evangelism is having is that hatred and spite does not sell as well as it used to.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#186616 Apr 5, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
There is a difference between couples childless because of medical reasons and ss couples who are inherently desolate and barren.
There is also a difference between a default mother and father, and a duplicated half of parenthood. Especially to the child.
Another proof that ss 'marriage's are an oxymoron
Another schooling too...
Smirk.
Blathering on about your narrow minded opinion isn't schooling, dumdum. There are legally recognised marriages where both parties are of the same sex. They're married. Just because you can't accept that little inconvenient truth doesn't negate them.

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#186617 Apr 5, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
The goal of religious evangelism is to convert.
Are you trying to convert heterosexuals? How does that work for converting homosexuals?
Snicker.
Yes... In fact we are trying to convert heterosexuals. But not in the way you intimate.

We are trying to change your minds about homosexuality. We are in a movement to show you that we are equal to you in EVERY way; that we function normally in society just like you do. We are trying to show you that we will not be treated as a group of people who are willing to be hated and vilified out of your ignorance of science and your adherence to archaic religious beliefs.

In short, we're trying to get you to wrap your mind around the fact that we are like you in every way except a small aspect of our lives.

THAT is how we are trying to convert heterosexuals.

Unlike you, we ARE NOT on a mission to attempt to get you to change your attractions.

Get it now?
Big D

Modesto, CA

#186619 Apr 5, 2013
just the facts wrote:
<quoted text>I have a Friend who lives in Amsterdam, in the 12 years that same sex marriage has been legal, his marriage of 20 years has not changed at all. Why should it?
Exactly

what is it about those that oppose same sex marriage that their marriages are so terribly fragile that they are like frightened little children.

My marriage is fine, same sex marriage has not harmed me or my children in any way at all.

Why should it?

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#186620 Apr 5, 2013
poledancer45 wrote:
<quoted text>Marriage is actually strenghtened by gay marriage
Oh do tell......how is marriage, the historical, cultural, social, legal, and/or religious union of husband and wife, strengthened by "gay marriage", by calling a personal intimate sexual union between two men/women, marriage?

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#186621 Apr 5, 2013
Across The Pond wrote:
<quoted text>
Obviously not anymore,what are you the village moron? 10 states and counting now isn't it? That makes your bigoted post a lie! Try again sport! Yuk,Yuk,Yuk!
Not quite sure your post fits with my answer.

sheesh void of hate wrote:
Homosexuals are no more barren than heterosexual couples that resort to artificial insemination, surrogates, etc.

I in turn wrote: As long as both couples were of the opposite sex.

So, again....not we quite sure you understood the issue referenced in the posts.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#186622 Apr 5, 2013
poledancer45 wrote:
<quoted text>Marriage is actually strenghtened by gay marriage
I agree, making it more inclusive only strengthens it

No one not in court and certainly not here has ever shown the opposite.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#186625 Apr 5, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you know how some Christians like announce over and over again that they are Chriletters They have crosses around their necks. They have that "Jesus fish" think on their bumper. They always seem to have a piece of scripture on their tongue. Heck, there are entire network stations devoted to Christianity.
There are entire network stations devoted to sports too. People wear apparel of their favorite team, put stickers on their cars, etc. All sorts of interests are put on display.
The same can be said for Judaism. The same can be said for Islam.
Are you as frustrated with these folks who seem to always be pushing their religion on you? Do you get as outraged at them when they want to "indoctrinate" your children in public schools or in other public areas?
Do athletes and celebrities call press conferences to announce their religious beliefs?
Here's the thing... The dust will eventually settle down. LGBT people won't always have a need to "come out". At some point in the future--probably long after you and I are gone--being gay will be seen as perfectly normal. There won't be any need for us to make an special effort to make our presence known.
So for now the lettuce, guacamole, bean, and tomato, sandwich crowd will still be waving the rainbow flag?

Why aren't those letters in alphabetical order? Just wondering.
Anonymous

Nassau, NY

#186626 Apr 5, 2013
sheesh void of hate wrote:
<quoted text>
Keep guessing toots. I'll give you a hint though. My wife does like to ride pillion. We've been married for almost 15 years if that helps you figure things out.
That bike, BTW, is a 1978 Honda 750 I bought new. By today's standards it is overweight, underpowered, and has inferior suspension and braking. I still love it though, lots of happy memories and miles.
There are some competitive gay riders. Homosexuality doesn't limit coordination, stamina, or courage.
Lastly, I favor Caterpillar boots. They're comfortable and durable and relatively water resistant.
HTH
Gays are fruity pansies! The only motorized bikes they could handle operating are scooters!lmfao!
Big D

Modesto, CA

#186627 Apr 5, 2013
just the facts wrote:
<quoted text>And there you have it. Marriage to you is a sanctioned fluckfest, a god ordained ticket to procreation. Well good for you. My marriage is about sharing my life with my wife. Any one can have sex you moron, and you damn sure don't need to be married to do so. What a sad life you have.
Yes.. my wife is my best friend, my closest confidant and harshest critic, the one I share my hopes and dreams with, she is not my property, but my partner in life

I donít see any reason not to extend that to same sex couples.

Tradition mean nothing to me, traditionally Christians were murdered for entertainment. Just because something was true long ago, does not make it a good thing for today.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#186628 Apr 5, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
Do athletes and celebrities call press conferences to announce their religious beliefs?
Nope, only rap stars with songs like "slap my bitch up" refer to and thank god publically

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