Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 | Posted by: Topix | Full story: www.cnn.com

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

Comments
162,681 - 162,700 of 200,336 Comments Last updated 16 hrs ago

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#186220
Apr 2, 2013
 

Judged:

5

5

5

Big D wrote:
I personally dont care about any holy texts from any of the thousands of religions in existence today or the millions of religions in history from any of the billions of gods man has believed in.
I live in the land of the free, not bound by any religion, where there is freedom of religion. All religions viewed equally in the eyes of the law.
But our laws not bound by an particular religion or cult.
If you have a private argument with these thousands of churches that wish to preform same sex marriages you can go have your argument with them.
Where in your bible does it place you personally as the judge of everyone else.
Where in your bible does it tell you to cast the first stone?
I'm not writing about a particular religion or cult, I'm writing about all holy texts ever collected since the dawn of literacy. Marriage is ALWAYS defined as male/female in ancient religious texts and myths.

What's up with that?

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#186221
Apr 2, 2013
 

Judged:

5

5

5

Jaredb8 wrote:
Religion has nothing to do with constitutional rights dumb ass.
We have the freedom to practice our religions; you don't have the right to force your radical secular extremism on us.

Where do you think laws against incest come from, if not religion?

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#186222
Apr 2, 2013
 

Judged:

5

5

5

Jaredb8 wrote:
So you are saying we should do as a society everything the bible days. We should own slaves and gang rape virgins. Just 2 of many examples your bible talks about. Why do you get to pick and choose which to follow and which to not follow??
Not at all, I'm saying all holy texts either define marriage as male/female or they don't discuss marriage at all. Here, I'll list some of them for you to check:

Pyramid texts, the Epic of Gilgamesh, the Rigveda, the Avesta, the Diamond Sutra, the Guru Granth Sahib, the Vedas,the Bhagavad Gita, the Qur'an, Homeric Hymns, Theogony, the Great Hymn to the Aten, the Ayyavazhi, The Akilathirattu Ammanai, the Arul Nool, Bah' Faith, the Kitb-i-Aqdas, Kitb-i-qn, Bn, Kangyur and Tengyur, the ravada Buddhism, the Tipitaka aka Pali Canon, Vinaya Pitaka, Sutta Pitaka, Digha Nikaya, the "long" discourses, the Majjhima Nikaya, the "middle-length" discourses, Samyutta Nikaya, the "connected" discourses, Anguttara Nikaya, the "numerical" discourses, Khuddaka Nikaya, the "minor collection", Abhidhamma Pitaka, the East Asian Mahayana, the Chinese Buddhist Tripi?aka, the Heart Sutra, the Shurangama Sutra and its Shurangama Mantra, Pure Land Buddhism, Infinite Life Sutra, Amitabha Sutra, Contemplation Sutra, other Pure Land Sutras, Tiantai, Tendai, and Nichiren, Lotus Sutra, the Shingon, the Mahavairocana Sutra, Vajrasekhara Sutra, the Tibetan Kangyur and Tengyur, Cheondoism, the Donghak Scripture, the Songs of Yongdam, the Sermons of Master Haeweol, the Sermons of Revered Teacher Euiam, Nag Hammadi library and other Gnostic texts, the Book of Mormon, the Pearl of Great Price, the Doctrine and Covenants, the Apocrypha, the Book of Enoch, the Five Classics of Confucianism, the Four Books, the Thirteen Classics, the Principia Discordia, Rasa'il al-hikmah (Epistles of Wisdom), Coffin Texts, the Book of the Dead, Book of Caverns, Book of Gates, Amduat, Book of the Heavenly Cow, Litany of Re,
the Cippus of Perugia, 3rd or 2nd century BCE, Cippus Perusinus, Liber Linteus, Pyrgi Tablets, Tabula Cortonensis, Hermetica, Emerald Tablet and associated writings, Sruti, Vedas: Rig Veda, Sama Veda, Yajur Veda, Atharva Veda, Brahmanas, Aranyakas, Upanishads, Smriti, Itihasas, Mahabharata, Ramayana, Puranas, Bhagavata Purana, Tantras, Stotras, Ashtavakra Gita, Gherand Samhita, Gita Govinda, Hatha Yoga Pradipika, Yoga Vasistha, Purva Mimamsa Sutras, In Vedanta (Uttar Mimamsa), Brahma Sutras of Vyasa, Yoga Sutras of Patanjali, Samkhya Sutras of Kapila, Nyaya Sutras of Gautama, Vaisheshika Sutras of Kanada, vaikhanasa Samhitas, Pancaratra Samhitas, Sakta Tantras, 64 Bhairavagamas, 28 Shaiva Agamas, Shiva Sutras of Vasugupta, Vijnana Bhairava Tantra, Pashupata Sutras of Lakulish, Panchartha-bhashya of Kaundinya (a commentary on the Pashupata Sutras), Ganakarika, Ratnatika of Bhasarvajna, 28 Saiva Agamas, Tirumurai (canon of 12 works), Meykandar Shastras (canon of 14 works), Brahma Samhita, Jayadeva's Gita Govinda, Krishna-karnamrita, Chaitanya Bhagavata, Chaitanya Charitamrita, Prema-bhakti-candrika, Hari-bhakti-vilasa, poems of Kabir, poems of Dadu, the Qur'an, the Hadith, Svetambara, 11 Angas, 12 Upangas, 4 Mula-sutras, 6 Cheda-sutras, 2 Culika-sutras, 10 Prakirnakas, Digambara, Karmaprabhrita, also called Satkhandagama, Kashayaprabhrita, Jina Vijaya, Tattvartha Sutra, GandhaHasti Mahabhashya, the Tanakh, Torah, Nevi'im, Ketuvim, the Talmud, Mishnah, Gemara, the Satanic Bible, Siddhanta Shikhamani, Vachana sahitya, Mantra Gopya, Shoonya Sampadane, 28 Agamas, Karana Hasuge, Basava Purana, the Ginza Rba, Book of the Zodiac, Qolusta, Canonical Prayerbook, Book of John the Baptizer, Diwan Abatur, Purgatories...

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#186223
Apr 2, 2013
 

Judged:

5

5

5

Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Can you cite any holy text that describes same sex marriage? I didn't claim some church or denomination didn't perform same sex marriage, some do. I claim there is no theological basis in any holy text that defines marriage as anything other than male/female.
There may be no scripture that describes same-sex marriage. But you'll also not find scripture that describes electricy, Dr. Pepper, lawn mowers, non-stick cooking pans, antiacids, suspension bridges,(I could go on for pages...)

Do we need to live our lives so narrowly that we eliminate all things from society that aren't mentioned in the Books of the Bible?

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#186224
Apr 2, 2013
 

Judged:

5

5

5

Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>We have the freedom to practice our religions; you don't have the right to force your radical secular extremism on us.
Where do you think laws against incest come from, if not religion?
I think modern incest laws are also based on biology; specifically, the possible problematic outcomes of babies born to incestuous couples.

As an FYI:

In the United States the District of Columbia and every state, except Rhode Island, have some form of codified incest prohibition. However, individual statutes vary widely. Rhode Island repealed its criminal incest statute in 1989. Ohio only targets parental figures. New Jersey does not apply any penalties when both parties are 18 years of age or older.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#186225
Apr 2, 2013
 

Judged:

5

5

5

[continued]

1012 Questions, Coronation of Shislam Rba, Baptism of Hibil Ziwa, Haran Gawaita, the Arzhang, the Holy Piby, the Kebra Negast, the speeches and writings of Haile Selassie I, the Samaritan Pentateuch, Dianetics: the Modern Science of Mental Health, the Kojiki, the Nihon Shoki or Nihongi, illuminated Guru Granth folio with nisan (Mool Mantar) of Guru Gobind Singh. Collection of Takht Sri Harimandir Sahib, Patna, the Guru Granth Sahib, the Dasven Padshah Da Granth, the Spirits Book, the Book on Mediums, the Gospel According to Spiritism, Heaven and Hell, the Genesis According to Spiritism, Cover of the Holy Books of thelema by Aleister Crowley, Daozang, Tao Te Ching, Zhuangzi, the Ofudesaki, the Mikagura-uta, the Osashizu, Holy Books of Thelema especially The Book of the Law, Divine Principle, Yazidi Black Book, Yazidi Book of Revelation, Yasna 28.1 (Bodleian MS J2), Primary religious texts, that is, the Avesta collection: the Yasna, the primary liturgical collection, includes the Gathas, the Visperad, a collection of supplements to the Yasna, the Yashts, hymns in honor of the divinities, the Vendidad, the Yashts the five Nyaishes, the Sirozeh and the Afringans (blessings).
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#186226
Apr 2, 2013
 

Judged:

5

5

5

Borrowed with permission from "Uves Ghost"-

There are a number of colorful re-definitions of terms the left has accomplished. They've been so successful, I needed to compile a list of terms the left uses and their new definitions, so here's the start. Please add yours.

Progress - To move backwards toward proven failure.

Progressive - one who succeeds at proven failure.

Hate - To disagree with a progressive.

Conservatives - Those who hate.

Racist - One who points out the failures of Progressives.

Fair - to benefit the government at the cost of the citizenry.

Privileged - to have earned one's wealth.

The 1%- The richest 1% excluding the Kennedy's, Spielbergs, Gates, Feinsteins, Pelosis, Buffets, and other Progressives.

Middle class - people too busy working and raising families to keep a close eye on progressives.

Millionaire and Billionaires - Employers.

Welfare - Low income.

Families - Unwed mothers with bastard children.

Minimum wage - Government-mandated payment to someone of more than they are worth.

Hateful - Normal human reaction to mental illness-induced deviant behavior.

Diverse - Doctrinally pure and completely unwavering from Marxist/progressive dogma.

Art - Anything which degrades normal human behavior or cultural norms.

Religion - a type of insanity which needs to be wiped out.

Islam - the only religion which should be tolerated.

Christians - Jerry Falwell's fictional retarded Nazi stormtroopers who hate women and want to outlaw condoms.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#186227
Apr 2, 2013
 

Judged:

5

5

5

veryvermilion wrote:
I think modern incest laws are also based on biology; specifically, the possible problematic outcomes of babies born to incestuous couples. As an FYI: In the United States the District of Columbia and every state, except Rhode Island, have some form of codified incest prohibition. However, individual statutes vary widely. Rhode Island repealed its criminal incest statute in 1989. Ohio only targets parental figures. New Jersey does not apply any penalties when both parties are 18 years of age or older.
Can you cite a problematic outcome of a baby born from an incestuous relationship? Do you have any biology or medical references that describes the problems of incestuous births?

More likely, modern incest laws are based on biblical laws that prohibit incest in order to desexualize the home. That's why biblical law condemns inccest even in the case of adoption, where there is no close genetic relationship.
Anonymous

Windham, NH

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#186228
Apr 2, 2013
 

Judged:

5

5

5

just the facts wrote:
<quoted text>What about lesbians?
That's what I meant by vice versa. Lesbians bother me more than gays do

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#186230
Apr 2, 2013
 

Judged:

5

5

5

It seems like you guys who are against same-gender marriage would want us to pair up with one another instead of risking a closeted gay guy (or gal) marrying you or someone in your family.

Imagine you or one of your children being in a marriage for 10 or 15 years and one day the spouse comes in, sits you down, and says to you, "Honey, I've been fighting these feelings for years, but I can't fight any more. I am gay. I guess I've always known, but my preacher told me to just 'eat' my feelings and try to cure myself. I want a divorce."
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#186231
Apr 2, 2013
 

Judged:

5

5

5

Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
I have no tolerance at all for the intolerant my wife often tells me :)
If you have "no tolerance at all" then you are intolerant. And have no tolerance for yourself.

Since: Apr 13

Bellevue, WA

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#186232
Apr 2, 2013
 

Judged:

5

5

5

Country-Girl22 wrote:
<quoted text>That's what I meant by vice versa. Lesbians bother me more than gays do
Why????? you being bothered by two people in love bothers me!!!

Since: Apr 13

Bellevue, WA

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#186233
Apr 2, 2013
 

Judged:

5

5

5

Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Can you cite a problematic outcome of a baby born from an incestuous relationship? Do you have any biology or medical references that describes the problems of incestuous births?
More likely, modern incest laws are based on biblical laws that prohibit incest in order to desexualize the home. That's why biblical law condemns inccest even in the case of adoption, where there is no close genetic relationship.
You must really have a lonely life
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#186234
Apr 2, 2013
 

Judged:

5

5

5

Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Can you cite a problematic outcome of a baby born from an incestuous relationship? Do you have any biology or medical references that describes the problems of incestuous births?
More likely, modern incest laws are based on biblical laws that prohibit incest in order to desexualize the home. That's why biblical law condemns inccest even in the case of adoption, where there is no close genetic relationship.
Continued inbreeding may increase some medical problems slightly but occasional inbreeding hardly ever.

So there is no reason I can't marry my sister. Besides, procreation is irrelevant to marriage we have been recently taught, correcting centuries of improper thought.

And sis is SMOKIN' HOT!
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#186235
Apr 2, 2013
 

Judged:

5

5

5

poledancer45 wrote:
<quoted text>You must really have a lonely life
That's irrelevant.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#186236
Apr 2, 2013
 

Judged:

5

5

5

poledancer45 wrote:
<quoted text>Why????? you being bothered by two people in love bothers me!!!
Are you still dancing the pole at 45? Good for you! How's tips though?

Since: Apr 13

Bellevue, WA

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#186238
Apr 2, 2013
 

Judged:

5

5

5

Frankie Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you still dancing the pole at 45? Good for you! How's tips though?
Still very good!!!

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#186239
Apr 2, 2013
 

Judged:

6

6

6

Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Can you cite a problematic outcome of a baby born from an incestuous relationship? Do you have any biology or medical references that describes the problems of incestuous births?
More likely, modern incest laws are based on biblical laws that prohibit incest in order to desexualize the home. That's why biblical law condemns inccest even in the case of adoption, where there is no close genetic relationship.
Since I'm not a biologist or a medical professional, I have to rely on the Internet. Here's a bit I found... "Inbreeding leads to a higher probability of congenital birth defects because it increases that proportion of zygotes that are homozygous, in particular for deleterious recessive alleles that produce such disorders."

Another article states, "Doctors are worried about all close incestuous parings that result in a child, since such children have a much higher risk of disabilities."

Regarding incest and religion...

--According to most Biblical scholars, it is widely believe that Cain married his sister (since there were no other people on the planet).

--Abraham married his half sister Sara. They shared the same father, but not the same mother.

--Nachor (Abrahams brother) married Melcha (his niece).

--Two of Lot's daughters got Lot drunk and had sex with him to preserve "the seed" of their father.

--Amram took to wife Jochabed his aunt by the fathers side: and she bore him Aaron and Moses (so Aaron and Moses were the result of a marriage between their father and their father's aunt).

--Amnon, the son of David, fell in love with his sister, Thomar and had sex with her against her will.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#186240
Apr 2, 2013
 

Judged:

8

8

8

poledancer45 wrote:
<quoted text>Still very good!!!
Good for you!

Since: Mar 12

Milwaukee

|
Report Abuse
|
Judge it!
|
#186243
Apr 2, 2013
 

Judged:

6

6

6

Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Not at all, I'm saying all holy texts either define marriage as male/female or they don't discuss marriage at all. Here, I'll list some of them for you to check:

Pyramid texts, the Epic of Gilgamesh, the Rigveda, the Avesta, the Diamond Sutra, the Guru Granth Sahib, the Vedas,the Bhagavad Gita, the Qur'an, Homeric Hymns, Theogony, the Great Hymn to the Aten, the Ayyavazhi, The Akilathirattu Ammanai, the Arul Nool, Bahá'í Faith, the Kitáb-i-Aqdas, Kitáb-i-Íqán, Bön, Kangyur and Tengyur, the ravada Buddhism, the Tipitaka aka Pali Canon, Vinaya Pitaka, Sutta Pitaka, Digha Nikaya, the "long" discourses, the Majjhima Nikaya, the "middle-length" discourses, Samyutta Nikaya, the "connected" discourses, Anguttara Nikaya, the "numerical" discourses, Khuddaka Nikaya, the "minor collection", Abhidhamma Pitaka, the East Asian Mahayana, the Chinese Buddhist Tripi?aka, the Heart Sutra, the Shurangama Sutra and its Shurangama Mantra, Pure Land Buddhism, Infinite Life Sutra, Amitabha Sutra, Contemplation Sutra, other Pure Land Sutras, Tiantai, Tendai, and Nichiren, Lotus Sutra, the Shingon, the Mahavairocana Sutra, Vajrasekhara Sutra, the Tibetan Kangyur and Tengyur, Cheondoism, the Donghak Scripture, the Songs of Yongdam, the Sermons of Master Haeweol, the Sermons of Revered Teacher Euiam, Nag Hammadi library and other Gnostic texts, the Book of Mormon, the Pearl of Great Price, the Doctrine and Covenants, the Apocrypha, the Book of Enoch, the Five Classics of Confucianism, the Four Books, the Thirteen Classics, the Principia Discordia, Rasa'il al-hikmah (Epistles of Wisdom), Coffin Texts, the Book of the Dead, Book of Caverns, Book of Gates, Amduat, Book of the Heavenly Cow, Litany of Re,
the Cippus of Perugia, 3rd or 2nd century BCE, Cippus Perusinus, Liber Linteus, Pyrgi Tablets, Tabula Cortonensis, Hermetica, Emerald Tablet and associated writings, Sruti, Vedas: Rig Veda, Sama Veda, Yajur Veda, Atharva Veda, Brahmanas, Aranyakas, Upanishads, Smriti, Itihasas, Mahabharata, Ramayana, Puranas, Bhagavata Purana, Tantras, Stotras, Ashtavakra Gita, Gherand Samhita, Gita Govinda, Hatha Yoga Pradipika, Yoga Vasistha, Purva Mimamsa Sutras, In Vedanta (Uttar Mimamsa), Brahma Sutras of Vyasa, Yoga Sutras of Patanjali, Samkhya Sutras of Kapila, Nyaya Sutras of Gautama, Vaisheshika Sutras of Kanada, vaikhanasa Samhitas, Pancaratra Samhitas, Sakta Tantras, 64 Bhairavagamas, 28 Shaiva Agamas, Shiva Sutras of Vasugupta, Vijnana Bhairava Tantra, Pashupata Sutras of Lakulish, Panchartha-bhashya of Kaundinya (a commentary on the Pashupata Sutras), Ganakarika, Ratnatika of Bhasarvajna, 28 Saiva Agamas, Tirumurai (canon of 12 works), Meykandar Shastras (canon of 14 works), Brahma Samhita, Jayadeva's Gita Govinda, Krishna-karnamrita, Chaitanya Bhagavata, Chaitanya Charitamrita, Prema-bhakti-candrika, Hari-bhakti-vilasa, poems of Kabir, poems of Dadu, the Qur'an, the Hadith, Svetambara, 11 Angas, 12 Upangas, 4 Mula-sutras, 6 Cheda-sutras, 2 Culika-sutras, 10 Prakirnakas, Digambara, Karmaprabhrita, also called Satkhandagama, Kashayaprabhrita, Jina Vijaya, Tattvartha Sutra, GandhaHasti Mahabhashya, the Tanakh, Torah, Nevi'im, Ketuvim, the Talmud, Mishnah, Gemara, the Satanic Bible, Siddhanta Shikhamani, Vachana sahitya, Mantra Gopya, Shoonya Sampadane, 28 Agamas, Karana Hasuge, Basava Purana, the Ginza Rba, Book of the Zodiac, Qolusta, Canonical Prayerbook, Book of John the Baptizer, Diwan Abatur, Purgatories...
You are great at cut and paste.

Tell me when this thread is updated: (Registration is not required)

Add to my Tracker Send me an email

Type in your comments below
Name
(appears on your post)
Comments
Characters left: 4000
Type the numbers you see in the image on the right:

Please note by clicking on "Post Comment" you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Other Recent Oroville Discussions

Search the Oroville Forum:
Title Updated Last By Comments
CA CA Proposition 23 - Global Warming (Oct '10) 3 hr Sun tan baby 7,848
CA California Proposition 19: the Marijuana Legali... (Oct '10) 6 hr nw batteries 15,919
CA Jury reaches verdict in Oakland BART shooting t... (Jul '10) Jul 22 Ronald 2,251
CA California seeks to ban free, single-use carryo... (Jun '10) Jul 21 Racjei 4,885
6,300 sign petition of support for Mendocino Co... Jul 5 Here Is One 1
City appoints new fire chief (Aug '09) Jun '14 Larry Lawrence 32
Marysville Mobile Home Parks Worried About Pote... Jun '14 Ernestina Gama spc 28 1
•••
•••
•••
•••

Oroville Jobs

•••
Enter and win $5000
•••
•••

Oroville People Search

Addresses and phone numbers for FREE

•••

Oroville News, Events & Info

Click for news, events and info in Oroville
•••

Personal Finance

Mortgages [ See current mortgage rates ]
•••