Jack or Heath: Who 's the best Joker?

Jack or Heath: Who 's the best Joker?

There are 183 comments on the South Florida Sun-Sentinel story from Jul 18, 2008, titled Jack or Heath: Who 's the best Joker?. In it, South Florida Sun-Sentinel reports that:

Everyone's favorite white-faced, laughing, psycho murderer has shown up on the big screen again in The Dark Knight .

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Brandon

Hamburg, AR

#21 Jul 20, 2008
what comic are you reading? Ledger's joker has many comic related similarities.
DUMAN

Grand Rapids, MI

#22 Jul 20, 2008
Limo Barbie wrote:
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You obviously haven't seen the movie--I have--and you are dead wrong. Go see it and then come back and nibble on the crow you will have coming.
Ok, I know this isn't the topic of the forum but Jack Nicholson is a 12 time academy award nominee and three time winner. Placing him in 2nd for most wins and tied with 1st for most wins for a male actor. So no Heath Ledger cannot touch that....maybe in time, we'll never know which is an incredible tragedy. But Nicholson is one of the most fantastic actors in the history of cinema.
DUMAN

Grand Rapids, MI

#23 Jul 20, 2008
Well this is kind of the wrong question because it really will come down to opinion which everyone is entitled to. If your asking which Joker is the more accurate Joker then the answer is Jack. Yes Heath's Joker was scarier and creepier and all that, but in truth thats not the key to the Joker. Theres a scene is Batman(1989) where The Joker takes over a television station and shows a fake commercial he filmed about the poison hes been putting in everyones hygiene products. Now THATS the Joker. Theatricality. Heath's Ledger got on TV and killed someone while filming it with a hanicam. Scary? Yes. but its been done (if I may be a bit uncouth). We've seen it before. Two-Face would just as soon do the same. Thats really only one example. Could Heath's Joker have pulled off the scene where Jack kills the guy with a joy buzzer? No.The closest Heath's Joker came to killing someone with a gag was when he used the pencil (which was really good however).

The new films are more reality based and so Heath's Joker was more in line with a typical psychopath sprinkled with some Joker topping. It was believably creepy and a fantastic performance of the part of the late great Heath Ledger. Nolan gave us a look at what it would REALLY take for Batman and co to exist. I absolutely applaud him for it.

Nicholson played the Joker in a film made at a time when people were more familiar with Batman as a surreal character. No one really questioned all the technical aspects of how Batman did what he did. We didn't need to have it spelled out for us so it was okay for the movies to seem a little more fantasy based. Hence we were given the Joker as he was in the comic, a guy so charismatically and theatrically evil it was hard to believe he could really exist.

There both good for different reasons. Nicholson was closer to the source character, Ledger's performance was a lot more captivating. Who you liked better is entirely up to you.
Bored

Avon, OH

#24 Jul 20, 2008
I just saw the movie...and the only thing I can say about Ledger's performance is wow! Don't get me wrong Jack was a good Joker but a joke compared to Ledger's. I don't know if I like the way they made Batman in the new movie though, I felt like his voice was rediculous. I mean the voice of Bruce Wayne and Batman vary so much that your not convinced that they are each other. Overall I thought the movie was really good.
Real Actor

Lansdale, PA

#25 Jul 20, 2008
We must critically analyze both Joker's to get to the bottom of this:

Jack's Joker-Jack's joker was really exagerated and focused on a comedic theme. Jack stuck to his own personality and flare mainly. He was not very innovate but gave an exhibition of his personal charisma. Great entertainment value but simple acting.

Heath's Joker-He played a very dark and vague Joker, his character was at times creepy and intense and other times light. Ledger was able to go beyond his personality and give his character a new direction and attributes not present in his own persona, it was a display of fine acting, that may not be entertaining for many.

I think based on acting, Ledger wins-hands no contest. But Jack has a better inherent personality that will give some a better experience.

I am an actor.
redhorse

Brooklyn, NY

#26 Jul 20, 2008
Heath ledgers performance was great the reason why he was the better joker is because i forgot that that was even heath ledger i thought i was really watching the joker in real life..... and whoever said that they did not enjoy this movie is obviously not a batman fan or liked batman forever or batman and robin in which your opinion does not count
Ledger for President

Simcoe, Canada

#27 Jul 20, 2008
Ledger is by far superior to Nicholson. It's an easy pick.
Batfag and Robin

Aberdeen, MD

#28 Jul 21, 2008
Who cares..both movies sucked...
Batfag and Robin

Aberdeen, MD

#29 Jul 21, 2008
Do you Batman fans still wear underoos?
Ledger for President

Simcoe, Canada

#30 Jul 21, 2008
Batfag and Robin wrote:
Do you Batman fans still wear underoos?
Are you a Marvel Comics fan deeply frustrated because Spidey-Man's record at the box office was pulverized by our Batman?
P.-S. Get off our thread, you punk!
rasonage

Burbank, CA

#31 Jul 21, 2008
ok who said Heath Ledger's joker had no gags? That joker was FULL of gags... granted it was for a more clever and sophisticated crowd than what you are ; the firetruck that diverts the convoy escorting Harvey Dent into custody was ON FIRE, a sadistic joke of irony. Disappearing pencil was a great gag that first inspired the question of "does he plan it or does he make it up as he goes along?"
Oh and when he is assaulting the convoy, he spraypainted an S infront of the word "Laughter" on the toy truck he was making his assault from (thus spelling "SLaughter").
There was an Ocean's 11 gag when he was blowing up the hospital of the faulty switch... And just before that, the way he sat down all sad like and said "Hi" to Harvey Dent was a parody of another movie.

this isn't pro Heath Ledger, just anti-idiot who can't see the sadistic humor unless it's a blatant slap in the face with a whoopi-cusion.

They both outshined the batman character.
Rob R

United States

#32 Jul 22, 2008
Are you kidding ????
There is no question that Heath Ledger smacked that ball out of the park. Nicholson was a good joker,
but Ledger was an absolutely amazing Joker; a real insane criminal. Very convincing and extremely fun to watch.
Sad to say we won't see him do it again.
Rich

North York, Canada

#33 Jul 22, 2008
this is ridiculous wrote:
i cant believe that anybody with a brain would possibly look at ledgers "joker" and think, "this. THIS is great acting!"
ledger was terrible in the roll. his character was written horribly, lack of gags, things that make the joker THE JOKER. they tried so hard to make him this unpredictable monster that he became predictable. not to mention the fact that the movie was basically expository dialogue followed by action. this film was very poorly written, it was all over the place. the plot was horribly developed.
this movie looks like what it would be if michael bay make a batman movie
You are an idiot whoever wrote this. Simply jealous or mad at the world. Everything is terrible in your opinion I am sure. The movie was great, and Ledger was brilliant. Get a life loser.
Rich

North York, Canada

#34 Jul 22, 2008
DUMAN wrote:
Well this is kind of the wrong question because it really will come down to opinion which everyone is entitled to. If your asking which Joker is the more accurate Joker then the answer is Jack. Yes Heath's Joker was scarier and creepier and all that, but in truth thats not the key to the Joker. Theres a scene is Batman(1989) where The Joker takes over a television station and shows a fake commercial he filmed about the poison hes been putting in everyones hygiene products. Now THATS the Joker. Theatricality. Heath's Ledger got on TV and killed someone while filming it with a hanicam. Scary? Yes. but its been done (if I may be a bit uncouth). We've seen it before. Two-Face would just as soon do the same. Thats really only one example. Could Heath's Joker have pulled off the scene where Jack kills the guy with a joy buzzer? No.The closest Heath's Joker came to killing someone with a gag was when he used the pencil (which was really good however).
The new films are more reality based and so Heath's Joker was more in line with a typical psychopath sprinkled with some Joker topping. It was believably creepy and a fantastic performance of the part of the late great Heath Ledger. Nolan gave us a look at what it would REALLY take for Batman and co to exist. I absolutely applaud him for it.
Nicholson played the Joker in a film made at a time when people were more familiar with Batman as a surreal character. No one really questioned all the technical aspects of how Batman did what he did. We didn't need to have it spelled out for us so it was okay for the movies to seem a little more fantasy based. Hence we were given the Joker as he was in the comic, a guy so charismatically and theatrically evil it was hard to believe he could really exist.
There both good for different reasons. Nicholson was closer to the source character, Ledger's performance was a lot more captivating. Who you liked better is entirely up to you.
You do not seem to realize that these twi Jokers are based on two different comics. Batman series is the campy Nicholson crap and the Dark Knight series is dark and brooding. Ledger played the Dark Knight Joker perfectly. Get a clue before making comments. The two are from vastly different books.
Rich

North York, Canada

#35 Jul 22, 2008
DUMAN wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok, I know this isn't the topic of the forum but Jack Nicholson is a 12 time academy award nominee and three time winner. Placing him in 2nd for most wins and tied with 1st for most wins for a male actor. So no Heath Ledger cannot touch that....maybe in time, we'll never know which is an incredible tragedy. But Nicholson is one of the most fantastic actors in the history of cinema.
Dude get a clue. They are asking about the JOKER performance not the life-time acheivement award. Ledger was a terrific joker far superior to Jack. Yes Jack is 3 times his age and made 6 times as many movies and has many awards. BUT LEDGER'S JOKER IS MUCH BETTER. Its allowed. Tiger Woods is the best golfer but any tour player can beat him on a given day or tournament. Are you the president of the Jack fan club. Next you are going to tell me the old Batman movies are better than these last two. Not even close.
I pound you

North York, Canada

#36 Jul 22, 2008
Batfag and Robin wrote:
Who cares..both movies sucked...
Then why are you on this site you pathetic loser. Nothing else to do. What actually sucks is your mom not these two movies. At least she did last night.
obj

Miami, FL

#37 Jul 22, 2008
There is NO comparison between the great Jack Nicholson and the dead Heath Ledger. Ledger was a very below average actor, has he done anything even worth taking a look at? Ummmmm, NO!
I pound you

North York, Canada

#38 Jul 22, 2008
obj wrote:
There is NO comparison between the great Jack Nicholson and the dead Heath Ledger. Ledger was a very below average actor, has he done anything even worth taking a look at? Ummmmm, NO!
Nice. Why not spit on his grave while you are at it you jealous loser. We are comparing the JOKER not the career you moron. Go back to doing drugs on the beach jack ass.
Rich

North York, Canada

#39 Jul 22, 2008
People stop comparing careers. Could Ledger have done half the movies Jack has done anywhere near as good...probably not. But, comparing this role, its a slam dunk for Ledger. So for all you haters, stop telling us how many award and nominations Jack has. We all know he is one of the all-time great actors. But Ledger kills him as the Joker. It is hard to compare because these two characters are from two vastly different comics. They both played to the particular character brilliantly. The only difference is that the first Joker was Jack and we all know it. The second Joker is the Joker. The Dark Knight version played brilliantly. Ledger wins this contest hands down. This is not a career pissing contest.
Rich

North York, Canada

#41 Jul 22, 2008
ohno wrote:
<quoted text>
If I want the opinion of an idiotic canadian (are there any other kinds), you will be the first moron I will call! And ledger caused his own death....no pity here!
I am sure the last thing you want to get into is a name calling contest between the #1 ranked country 8 years of the 11 years countries have been ranked (Canada) with the country (US) that has never been higher than 6th. Secondly idiot the average IQ in Canada is 5-7 points higher than the average in the US. Don't bring down your whole country (which I happen to like) with idiotic comments. Yes Heath had an accidental OD, he is not perfect like you. The topic was who played the charcter better and I am sure you have not even seen, or cant afford to see, the movie. Please do call me. Damn wont allow me to post my phone number.

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