Call for arrest of watch captain who ...

Call for arrest of watch captain who shot kid

There are 29779 comments on the New York Daily News story from Mar 19, 2012, titled Call for arrest of watch captain who shot kid. In it, New York Daily News reports that:

ORLANDO, Fla. -- College students around Florida rallied Monday to demand the arrest of a white neighborhood watch captain who shot an unarmed black teen last month, though authorities may be hamstrung by a state law that allows people to defend themselves with deadly force.

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#32067 Jul 27, 2013
incredulous wrote:
<quoted text>No matter how much you wish that dead thug was some kind of innocent.....it isn't so. He was a violent thug who didn't even get in trouble for having STOLEN jewelry. The district wanted to pretend it was found so they could pad their crime stats and go easy on the blacks to think they are always victimized. Who was that black comedian who used to say 'the devil made me do it'. That's the culture.
Flip Wilson as the name of the comedian.
Rambler

Red Deer, Canada

#32068 Jul 27, 2013
californio wrote:
<quoted text> And as I stated before I think the Martin family has a very strong case if they file a wrongful death case against Zimmerman. And I would like them file a case they can win, not lose.
Zimmerman acted like an idiot, but the evidence does not support a Murder or Civil rights conviction,
It doesn't matter what you think. If you've listened to Trayvon's parents, it appears they are moving onward to intention of using the example of their son's death to impact changes which could prevent other families from the heartache of losing a child in the same way.

Filing a wrongful death lawsuit would be contrary to their cause because it gives the appearance they to not support the justice system that acquitted GZ.

It's obvious if you were in the same situation you'd go the low road......no surprise there.

“always”

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Ticklaw

#32070 Jul 27, 2013
Rambler wrote:
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Why wouldn't Sanford's "black community" take an interest in this case - I'm sure the entire community did considering the media's presence and it being the focus of the nation.
Florida police chief ready for Zimmerman verdict
By Daniel Trotta | Reuters – Wed, Jul 10, 2013
.......Unprecedented in Sanford, where George Zimmerman is on trial for killing teenager Trayvon Martin, the campaign has led Cecil Smith out of the police station and into a historic black neighborhood nearby. There, the Northerner from a Chicago suburb has knocked on doors and talked with people about their concerns.
Barely 100 days into the job, Smith has also moved beyond the neighborhood known as Goldsboro and into white, Hispanic and mixed neighborhoods. He has ordered his 130 officers to get out of their cruisers and engage the public. They hand out business cards with their cell phone numbers.
By reaching out, Smith, who is black, says he has set himself apart from his predecessors, one of whom stepped down after his handling of the shooting enflamed racial tensions in town and rekindled a national debate about race relations in the United States.
His efforts could be put to the test in the coming days, with a six-woman jury soon to begin deliberations on a verdict for Zimmerman, who is accused of second-degree murder for shooting Martin. Zimmerman, who is white and Hispanic, was armed, and Martin, 17-years old and black, was unarmed.......
http://news.yahoo.com/florida-police-chief-re...
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The new police chief, Cecil E Smith and his "walk and talk" program obviously has improved the overall health of the community in a very short period of time. He's clearly a leader who hasn't lost the ability to relate to ordinary people -- it will be interesting to see if this is implemented in other communities. Often it's little things that make a big difference in uplifting community morale.....people being heard and therefore being engaged within it is one of them.
Three weeks went by before the Martin case became widely known. Three weeks that the Sanford police department spent dilly dallying around while hoping that it would "all blow over." Finally Ben Crump came to town, held a press conference which featured a couple of witnesses that the police hadn't taken seriously and the dance was on.

Forty six days went by before George was finally arrested.

During that time the police as well as the state attorneys office where not being honest with the media about why the investigation was shoddy and about who exactly cited stand your ground as the reason for sending George home after only a cursory interview.
Responsibility

Petaluma, CA

#32071 Jul 27, 2013
Another interesting part of this verdict:

Attorney Burris said he was "dumbfounded" that the prosecution did not invoke the Florida statute that invalidates a self-defense justification if the person claiming it is the aggressor.(One prosecutor, in analyzing the case, told the Bradenton Herald that Zimmerman's pursuit of the unarmed Martin could be considered a threatened use of force that could have defined him legally that way.)

Prosecutor Hammer agreed. "What I thought was wrong here, was that you had the stand-your-ground argument there, but there should have been another instruction that said,‘if you are the aggressor, then you cannot avail yourself of the stand-your-ground law.’ I think that might have been more helpful to the jury because then that would have given them some basis to consider that if George Zimmerman in fact touched, approached, aggravated, and started this, then he couldn’t say I got self-defense without showing that he had tried to retreat."

http://blogs.kqed.org/newsfix/2013/07/15/kqed...
Responsibility

Petaluma, CA

#32072 Jul 27, 2013
Rambler wrote:
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Sorry, thems the breaks.
Dearie, we have no idea how Mr. Martin would have turned out, what he would have done with his life and whether he would have been a president or a ceo or a teacher or a cop.

Mr. Martin was killed by Zimmerman and those questions will never be answered and making IZA (ignorant Zimmerman ass-assumptions) to Mr. Martin's future is - sorry - ignorant.
Rambler

Red Deer, Canada

#32073 Jul 27, 2013
RuffnReddy wrote:
<quoted text>Three weeks went by before the Martin case became widely known. Three weeks that the Sanford police department spent dilly dallying around while hoping that it would "all blow over." Finally Ben Crump came to town, held a press conference which featured a couple of witnesses that the police hadn't taken seriously and the dance was on.
Forty six days went by before George was finally arrested.
During that time the police as well as the state attorneys office where not being honest with the media about why the investigation was shoddy and about who exactly cited stand your ground as the reason for sending George home after only a cursory interview.
The rest of the story is that social media elevated an online petition, reportedly three million signed, urging that charges be filed so "the people" could be given the right to decide whether or not George Zimmerman was guilty of radically profiling a young black man and taking the opportunity to murder, further to mass insinuations that a coverup had taken place to protect him because he was "white".

"The people" determined there was no such evidence and acquitted him. No violent riots occurred, as prophesied by the same social media.(it makes for speculation if that was the whole intent of it.). Meanwhile, although GZ didn't defend himself by the Stand Your Ground, the intent of the law is the focus of considerable discussion as apparently it's misused to protect gang members.......
Rambler

Red Deer, Canada

#32074 Jul 27, 2013
Responsibility wrote:
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Dearie, we have no idea how Mr. Martin would have turned out, what he would have done with his life and whether he would have been a president or a ceo or a teacher or a cop.
Mr. Martin was killed by Zimmerman and those questions will never be answered and making IZA (ignorant Zimmerman ass-assumptions) to Mr. Martin's future is - sorry - ignorant.
Don't change my posts!

And you''re forgetting that Trayvon's parents are supported by their religious beliefs which undoubtedly also deems what happens in life is in accordance to "god's plan", everything that occurs is for a purpose, and Trayvon was sent home to a better place, passing beyond the gates of heaven.

You respect the rights of freedom of religion, do you not?
Responsibility

Petaluma, CA

#32075 Jul 27, 2013
Rambler wrote:
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You respect the rights of freedom of religion, do you not?
If the family finds solace in religion for the loss of their son, I wish them luck.

Will Zimmerman find forgiveness in his religion for killing their son?
Rambler

Red Deer, Canada

#32076 Jul 27, 2013
Beyond Florida, the states that have some form of a “stand your ground” law include: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Georgia, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, West Virginia and Wisconsin.

<snip>

After Holder’s speech, the National Rifle Association, which strongly backs the laws and holds enormous sway in many state legislatures, issued a statement claiming that Obama’s administration was aiming more at the broader political goal of restricting gun rights.

http://www.wisconsingazette.com/national-gaze...

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Why does the "National RIFLE Association" hold enourmous sway in many state legislatures to strongly support Stand Your Ground legislation, when it's concealed handguns which seem to be at the main root of the problem pertaining to the law being misused.
Rambler

Red Deer, Canada

#32077 Jul 27, 2013
Responsibility wrote:
<quoted text>
If the family finds solace in religion for the loss of their son, I wish them luck.
Will Zimmerman find forgiveness in his religion for killing their son?
Didn't you watch GZ's appearance on Hannity?

Google it.....I'm not here to do your homework.

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#32078 Jul 27, 2013
Rambler wrote:
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The rest of the story is that social media elevated an online petition, reportedly three million signed, urging that charges be filed so "the people" could be given the right to decide whether or not George Zimmerman was guilty of radically profiling a young black man and taking the opportunity to murder, further to mass insinuations that a coverup had taken place to protect him because he was "white".
"The people" determined there was no such evidence and acquitted him. No violent riots occurred, as prophesied by the same social media.(it makes for speculation if that was the whole intent of it.). Meanwhile, although GZ didn't defend himself by the Stand Your Ground, the intent of the law is the focus of considerable discussion as apparently it's misused to protect gang members.......
The FBI already stated there was no racism involved. How many times do you think Zimmerman should be tried?
Rambler

Red Deer, Canada

#32079 Jul 27, 2013
ago

'Zimmerman Truthers' Question Crash Story
It's 'too perfectly timed and convenient,' they say, making the whole episode a bit 'fishy'

43 min ago by Dain Fitzgerald

<snip>

"Theorists have speculated that Zimmerman might have a police scanner, given his work as a neighborhood watchman and his current fear for his own safety," writes Seitz-Wald, "and that he used it to respond to the crash before authorities could get there."

http://politix.topix.com/homepage/7221-zimmer...

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This is a new one....the problem with that is the timing -- the 911 callers reported "people" - ie. George Zeimmerman and the other man - were immediately at the crash helping to recuse the victims by the time they made their calls while driving past the aoccident site.

It's a sad state of affairs when some people can't take the reported event and be happy that the lives of an identified family of four were possibly saved by the immediate response from two passing motorists and leave it at that, instead of twisting it into a nefarious situation .....any of us in the same predicament would certainly appreciate that similar quick action taken by total strangers acting in the capacity of a Good Samaritan. In Canada there are laws to protect such a rescuer from lawsuits regarding wrongdoing, not sure about Florida but regardless, in this example all ended well.

“always”

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Ticklaw

#32080 Jul 27, 2013
Responsibility wrote:
Another interesting part of this verdict:
Attorney Burris said he was "dumbfounded" that the prosecution did not invoke the Florida statute that invalidates a self-defense justification if the person claiming it is the aggressor.(One prosecutor, in analyzing the case, told the Bradenton Herald that Zimmerman's pursuit of the unarmed Martin could be considered a threatened use of force that could have defined him legally that way.)
Prosecutor Hammer agreed. "What I thought was wrong here, was that you had the stand-your-ground argument there, but there should have been another instruction that said,‘if you are the aggressor, then you cannot avail yourself of the stand-your-ground law.’ I think that might have been more helpful to the jury because then that would have given them some basis to consider that if George Zimmerman in fact touched, approached, aggravated, and started this, then he couldn’t say I got self-defense without showing that he had tried to retreat."
http://blogs.kqed.org/newsfix/2013/07/15/kqed...
Florida's stand your ground law is nicknamed the shoot first ask questions later law for a reason. One can indeed be the aggressor or provoke an incident and then cite stand your ground if things turn sour.

The nuances of Florida's law were explained correctly by legal analysts who practice criminal law in Florida and incorrectly by analysts from states without SYG or states with SYG light.

George skipped the SYG hearing where he would be compelled to testify for he he's truth challenged and is apt to say anything that comes to mind. He couldn't even manage a paragraph long statement during a bond hearing.
Rambler

Red Deer, Canada

#32081 Jul 27, 2013
SC Redneck_2 wrote:
<quoted text> The FBI already stated there was no racism involved. How many times do you think Zimmerman should be tried?
I'm not so arrogant as to presume what "I think" should be the law.

Double Jeoprady Laws prevent George Zimmerman from being retried for the same criime.....you ghouls not already learn your lesson about that after you pounded the keyboard for months expecting the Feds to charge Casey Anthony on the same twisted premise that "death" violated Caylee's civil rights? What a mockery of the justice system that would be.....EVERY defendant ever acquitted of ANY crime could be interpreted to have violated some "civil rights" in some way, shape or form if you dreamers choose to apply the term so loosely.

“always”

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Ticklaw

#32082 Jul 27, 2013
Rambler wrote:
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The rest of the story is that social media elevated an online petition, reportedly three million signed, urging that charges be filed so "the people" could be given the right to decide whether or not George Zimmerman was guilty of radically profiling a young black man and taking the opportunity to murder, further to mass insinuations that a coverup had taken place to protect him because he was "white".
"The people" determined there was no such evidence and acquitted him. No violent riots occurred, as prophesied by the same social media.(it makes for speculation if that was the whole intent of it.). Meanwhile, although GZ didn't defend himself by the Stand Your Ground, the intent of the law is the focus of considerable discussion as apparently it's misused to protect gang members.......
That's bullshit. Once the details began to emerge various interest groups jumped on board, racists, 2nd Amendment freaks etc. The story grew legs. The case demanded a conclusion.

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#32083 Jul 27, 2013
SC Redneck_2 wrote:
The FBI already stated there was no racism involved.
They didn't.

Never a quote around when you need it.

They said that there WAS NO EVIDENCE that could prove racism was the motivating factor in the pedophile killing Martin.
Rambler

Red Deer, Canada

#32084 Jul 27, 2013
civil rights plural of civ·il rights
Noun
The rights of citizens to political and social freedom and equality.

Whether you like it or not, the Cilil Rights of living young African American men is what deserves a close look at considering these horrid statistics --

28 percent of black adults ages 16 to 24 are unemployed. And the jobless rate for young black male high school dropouts ages 16-25 is a staggering 51.6 percent, per analysis by remappingdebate.org .
Rambler

Red Deer, Canada

#32085 Jul 27, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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They didn't.
Never a quote around when you need it.
They said that there WAS NO EVIDENCE that could prove racism was the motivating factor in the pedophile killing Martin.
Another wonderful day of misery for you!

How about a new friend!

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#32086 Jul 27, 2013
Rambler wrote:
It's a sad state of affairs when some people can't take the reported event and be happy that the lives of an identified family of four were possibly saved ...
HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

If we were to believe what happened, the pedophile and a friend just happened upon a scene of an accident and they rendered assistance to a car involved in a roll over... well, tip over, since the vehicle was on its side.

Just like anyone else- virtually- would have done when they come upon a scene of an accident, off a busy traffic spot. As reported - many other phone calls and other motorists rendered assistance in this "accident".

And curiously enough: with all the cell phones there on the scene, no one thought to snap a picture of the pedophile, a few days later, possibly the MOST RECOGNIZABLE FACE IN FLORIDA- what we have is the word... well, let's put it in quotes "word" of someone who has already be described as someone with a hero complex.
Rambler

Red Deer, Canada

#32087 Jul 27, 2013
RuffnReddy wrote:
<quoted text>That's bullshit. Once the details began to emerge various interest groups jumped on board, racists, 2nd Amendment freaks etc. The story grew legs. The case demanded a conclusion.
And it got a conclusion, GZ was acquitted. Now the broader topic has opened a social conscience toward focus on Stand Your Ground Laws and the dismal opportunities for young African American males in general and particularly school dropouts.

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