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Call for arrest of watch captain who shot kid

There are 29778 comments on the New York Daily News story from Mar 19, 2012, titled Call for arrest of watch captain who shot kid. In it, New York Daily News reports that:

ORLANDO, Fla. -- College students around Florida rallied Monday to demand the arrest of a white neighborhood watch captain who shot an unarmed black teen last month, though authorities may be hamstrung by a state law that allows people to defend themselves with deadly force.

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Level 2

Since: Jun 13

Edgewater, FL

#28491 Jul 6, 2013
Rambler wrote:
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Give your head a shake, a non-interest party cannot sue a third party insurance company directly and insurance companies are not responsible for the acts of homeowners, particularly those who are legally innocent until proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt.
The HOA is responsible for anything that happens on the public areas of the complex, and that is why they have liability insurance. The non-interest third party did so as the legal parent of a minor that suffered death on the property. She didn't file a lawsuit, she filed a claim against the insurance policy.

Level 7

Since: Feb 09

Location hidden

#28493 Jul 6, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
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So in other words, you don't know which is what I said.
I disagree with them giving these money grubbers anything, but it's their decision to make. The HOA giving the Martin's twenty cents doesn't make Zimmerman guilty nor they liable for his actions. I'm sure they have their reasons which is probably to avoid all the litigation costs that would probably add up to more than they gave the Martin's.
I think it's a real shame that we voted in politicians that wrote the laws so people could sue others even if they are not responsible; from burning yourself with a hot cup of McDonald's coffee to one of your tenants defending himself from a violent animal.
Here's where you're wrong about this.


Under the heading “Neighborhood Watch,” the newsletter’s message recommended that residents first call police and then “please contact our Captain, George Zimmerman ... so he can be aware and help address the issue with other residents.”

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/tray...

Level 2

Since: Jun 13

Edgewater, FL

#28494 Jul 6, 2013
Rambler wrote:
http://www.seminoleclerk.org/C ivilDocket/
Egad......type in "Retreat Twin Lakes".
This HOA must employ it's own team of lawyers.....
Most of those are no big deal. Where Twin Lakes is a defendant, most of those are foreclosures filed against the owner and listing Twin Lakes in the suit so they are made aware of the proceedings.

Where Twin Lakes is a Petitioner, they are filing liens against owners who have not paid their HOA fees.
Rambler

Red Deer, Canada

#28495 Jul 6, 2013
NSBResident wrote:
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Did some checking. The insurance company actually filed against Twin Lakes and Sybrina Fulton saying they were not liable. Mom and Dad did not file a law suit against Twin Lakes, Crumpetts filed a claim against the insurance company.
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Okay, now you're saying it wasn't a civil suit under which Sybrina Fulton was pad a million dollars by Retreat at Twin Lakes HOA.....an attorney just filed a claim against the HOA's insurance company. I guarantee you that never happened.

Or is what you mean is Sybrina Fulton was holding a million dollar LIFE INSURANCE policy on Trayvon?
Rambler

Red Deer, Canada

#28496 Jul 6, 2013
NSBResident wrote:
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The HOA is responsible for anything that happens on the public areas of the complex, and that is why they have liability insurance. The non-interest third party did so as the legal parent of a minor that suffered death on the property. She didn't file a lawsuit, she filed a claim against the insurance policy.
You're in charge if rewriting the storyline today?

Trayvon Martin’s family settles wrongful death lawsuit with Sanford, Florida, homeowner’s association
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/tray...
Rambler

Red Deer, Canada

#28498 Jul 6, 2013
Hmmm......this is the only filing by Sybrina Fulton.

Notice the name of the judge again.

Detailed Information for Case 2012CA001276

Case Number: 2012CA001276 Judge: DEBRA S. NELSON
Date Filed: 03/09/2012 Case Type: OTHER CIRCUIT CIVIL
Plantiffs: Defendants:
FULTON SYBRINA
M T
MARTIN TRACY

LEE BILL CHIEF OF POLICE SANFORD POLICE DEPT
SANFORD POLICE DEPT BILL LEE CHIEF OF POLICE

06/05/2012 ADRE JUDGE REASSIGNMENT PER ADMINISTRATIVE ORDER 12-16-S
03/20/2012 NOCH NOTICE OF CANCELLATION OF HEARING 03/19/12 AT 9:00 AM
03/19/2012 NOCH NOTICE OF CANCELLATION OF HEARING 3/19/12 @ 9AM (COPY)
03/19/2012 M MOTION FOR AN EXPEDITED HEARING/BY PLTFS
03/16/2012 NHCY NOTICE OF EXPEDITED HEARING ON 3/19/12 @ 10AM
03/12/2012 NCI NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIAL INFO WITHIN COURT FILING
03/09/2012 SUMI SUMMONS ISSUED BILL LEE CHIEF OF POLICE SANFORD POLICE DEPT OC/ATTY
03/09/2012 CCST CIVIL COVER SHEET
03/09/2012 CMPL COMPLAINT FILED

Level 2

Since: Jun 13

Edgewater, FL

#28499 Jul 6, 2013
Rambler wrote:
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Okay, now you're saying it wasn't a civil suit under which Sybrina Fulton was pad a million dollars by Retreat at Twin Lakes HOA.....an attorney just filed a claim against the HOA's insurance company. I guarantee you that never happened.
Or is what you mean is Sybrina Fulton was holding a million dollar LIFE INSURANCE policy on Trayvon?
Sybrina, thru Crumpetts, filed a claim against the HOA insurance company. The hoa insurance policy was for one million dollars. The insurance company filed against Sybrina and the HOA to compel a court to say that they were not liable for the claim Sybrina filed.

I was not saying that she was holding a life insurance policy for TM.

Sybrina and Tracy both filed a joint suit against the Sanford PD, but that case has been sitting for over a year. The same judge was assigned to that case, but not sure what is going on with it now.
Rambler

Red Deer, Canada

#28501 Jul 6, 2013
NSBResident wrote:
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Sybrina, thru Crumpetts, filed a claim against the HOA insurance company. The hoa insurance policy was for one million dollars. The insurance company filed against Sybrina and the HOA to compel a court to say that they were not liable for the claim Sybrina filed.
I was not saying that she was holding a life insurance policy for TM.
Sybrina and Tracy both filed a joint suit against the Sanford PD, but that case has been sitting for over a year. The same judge was assigned to that case, but not sure what is going on with it now.
None of the parties involved in the settlement—Martin’s parents, the homeowner’s association, nor the lawyers involved—would comment on the amount.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/tray...

Level 2

Since: Jun 13

Edgewater, FL

#28502 Jul 6, 2013
Rambler wrote:
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You're in charge if rewriting the storyline today?
Trayvon Martin’s family settles wrongful death lawsuit with Sanford, Florida, homeowner’s association
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/tray...
I don't have to re-write anything. Its all available for anyone to look up. http://www.scribd.com/doc/102137336/Petition-...

I still haven't found any documents showing Sybrina filed a lawsuit against the HOA. This makes me wonder if they settled with her before a suit was ever filed, the media just has it wrong, and there was just a settlement agreement not a lawsuit. I am trying to find he Motion that OMara filed to see how he worded it when he ask the court to release the settlement info.

Level 2

Since: Jun 13

Edgewater, FL

#28503 Jul 6, 2013
Rambler wrote:
Hmmm......this is the only filing by Sybrina Fulton.
Notice the name of the judge again.
Detailed Information for Case 2012CA001276
Case Number: 2012CA001276 Judge: DEBRA S. NELSON
Date Filed: 03/09/2012 Case Type: OTHER CIRCUIT CIVIL
Plantiffs: Defendants:
FULTON SYBRINA
M T
MARTIN TRACY
LEE BILL CHIEF OF POLICE SANFORD POLICE DEPT
SANFORD POLICE DEPT BILL LEE CHIEF OF POLICE
06/05/2012 ADRE JUDGE REASSIGNMENT PER ADMINISTRATIVE ORDER 12-16-S
03/20/2012 NOCH NOTICE OF CANCELLATION OF HEARING 03/19/12 AT 9:00 AM
03/19/2012 NOCH NOTICE OF CANCELLATION OF HEARING 3/19/12 @ 9AM (COPY)
03/19/2012 M MOTION FOR AN EXPEDITED HEARING/BY PLTFS
03/16/2012 NHCY NOTICE OF EXPEDITED HEARING ON 3/19/12 @ 10AM
03/12/2012 NCI NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIAL INFO WITHIN COURT FILING
03/09/2012 SUMI SUMMONS ISSUED BILL LEE CHIEF OF POLICE SANFORD POLICE DEPT OC/ATTY
03/09/2012 CCST CIVIL COVER SHEET
03/09/2012 CMPL COMPLAINT FILED
Exactly. No suit filed that I can find either against the HOA, unless it was done in Federal Court possibly, but I doubt it.
Rambler

Red Deer, Canada

#28506 Jul 6, 2013
Rambler wrote:
Trayvon Martin's killing shatters safety within Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford
SANFORD
<snip>
The building of the Retreat at Twin Lakes is a classic Florida story.
Developers saw potential in the sandy acres east of Orlando and determined to turn them into an oasis. They planned a gated subdivision just 10 minutes from downtown — a cloistered community near the interstate, close to good schools, outlet malls and the magic of Disney World.
The idea, as always, was that people could live peacefully in a paradise where nobody could park a car on the street or paint the house an odd color.
In 2004, Engle Homes began construction on 263 two-story townhouses, with upstairs porches and covered back patios and plenty of green space. Inside, the townhomes boasted granite countertops, hardwood floors, master suites and walk-in closets. Outside, there was a pond, a clubhouse and a community pool.
Everything was walled in, to keep out the unknown.
"With its modern Florida architecture, this secluded, gated community is like living in a resort," a spokesmodel says in a promotional video posted on YouTube. "It's the perfect choice for those looking for space and comfort."
The initial cost of a 1,400-square-foot townhome and the pass code to that front gate:$250,000. Today, post-boom, the price has dipped below $100,000.
http://www.tampabay.com/news/humaninterest/tr...
Construction on Retreat at Twin Lakes began in 2004, per above.

"Sanford police said Zimmerman has called 911 46 times since 2001, reporting disturbances, break-ins and other incidents. On nine different occasions, Zimmerman has reported a suspicious person."

I question if they got the right George Zimmerman.....It's a common name. In 2001, if this GZ already lived in Sanford, he was only 18 years old (b. 1983).
Rambler

Red Deer, Canada

#28507 Jul 6, 2013
NSBResident wrote:
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Exactly. No suit filed that I can find either against the HOA, unless it was done in Federal Court possibly, but I doubt it.
Yes, no lawsuit filed. If a HOA guarantees safety and wellbeing of it's residents and their guests, it would be the first on the planet. Did you notice over 400 police reports were filed between 2011-2012 -- what does that tell you?

Considering all the other civil suits and foreclosures at Retreat at Twin Lakes, it's a wonder the HOA isn't bankrupt itself.

Level 2

Since: Jun 13

Edgewater, FL

#28510 Jul 6, 2013
Rambler wrote:
<quoted text>
None of the parties involved in the settlement—Martin’s parents, the homeowner’s association, nor the lawyers involved—would comment on the amount.
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/tray...
Crumpetts filed the settlement agreement in Seminole County, but not as a separate document, he tried hiding it by filing it within GZ's criminal case.

That makes absolutely no sense to me, and I don't understand why the Clerk of Courts would have accepted it. The settlement agreement was not in Financially Mourning Mom or Dad's name. It was written under the names of Twin Lakes and The Estate of Trayvon Martin.
Rambler

Red Deer, Canada

#28511 Jul 6, 2013
NSBResident wrote:
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I don't have to re-write anything. Its all available for anyone to look up. http://www.scribd.com/doc/102137336/Petition-...
I still haven't found any documents showing Sybrina filed a lawsuit against the HOA. This makes me wonder if they settled with her before a suit was ever filed, the media just has it wrong, and there was just a settlement agreement not a lawsuit. I am trying to find he Motion that OMara filed to see how he worded it when he ask the court to release the settlement info.
A motion filed during this trial? If so, that's really brilliant for a DEFENSE attorney to intend to introduce into evidence what would easily be misconstrued as proof his client was already deemed by another party to be responsible for WRONGFUL DEATH.

In this fantasy trial, seems O'Mara is working for the prosecution. LOL

Level 2

Since: Jun 13

Edgewater, FL

#28512 Jul 6, 2013
Rambler wrote:
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Yes, no lawsuit filed. If a HOA guarantees safety and wellbeing of it's residents and their guests, it would be the first on the planet. Did you notice over 400 police reports were filed between 2011-2012 -- what does that tell you?
Considering all the other civil suits and foreclosures at Retreat at Twin Lakes, it's a wonder the HOA isn't bankrupt itself.
Actually, it is required by Florida Law that HOA's carry insurance, and if they maintain the public areas of condo complexes, then they are responsible for the safety of those areas.

The foreclosures were against the condo owners at Twin Lakes, not the HOA. The HOA is just included on the paperwork. Sometimes the HOA fees are included in the mortgage payments and the bank continues to pay the HOA fees from a negative escrow account, the same as they pay property taxes.
Rambler

Red Deer, Canada

#28513 Jul 6, 2013
ngrace wrote:
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Here's where you're wrong about this.
Under the heading “Neighborhood Watch,” the newsletter’s message recommended that residents first call police and then “please contact our Captain, George Zimmerman ... so he can be aware and help address the issue with other residents.”
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/tray...
"From January 2011 to February 2012 records show there were 402 calls to police from that neighborhood, five were about burglaries, but a majority of the calls were about disturbances."

Poor George.
Rambler

Red Deer, Canada

#28514 Jul 6, 2013
NSBResident wrote:
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Actually, it is required by Florida Law that HOA's carry insurance, and if they maintain the public areas of condo complexes, then they are responsible for the safety of those areas.
The foreclosures were against the condo owners at Twin Lakes, not the HOA. The HOA is just included on the paperwork. Sometimes the HOA fees are included in the mortgage payments and the bank continues to pay the HOA fees from a negative escrow account, the same as they pay property taxes.
Yes indeed, HOA's are responsible for maintenance of public areas to ensure safety, and legally liable if someone is injured or killed thought their negligence, as is any property owner, business, municipality, etc .....which is why insurance is required. How old are you anyway?

Not all the filing are foreclosures.
Rambler

Red Deer, Canada

#28515 Jul 6, 2013
NSBResident wrote:
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Crumpetts filed the settlement agreement in Seminole County, but not as a separate document, he tried hiding it by filing it within GZ's criminal case.
That makes absolutely no sense to me, and I don't understand why the Clerk of Courts would have accepted it. The settlement agreement was not in Financially Mourning Mom or Dad's name. It was written under the names of Twin Lakes and The Estate of Trayvon Martin.
If you believe everything you read, that's your problem.

When you get older, you'll become wiser....

The only insurance Sybrina Fulton could have collected is LIFE INSURANCE, and then the question must be asked, for what purpose does a mother file a million dollar policy on her 17 year old son? Perhaps god instructed her to do so, god's plan, he knew what would happen.....
Rambler

Red Deer, Canada

#28516 Jul 6, 2013
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Absolutely a miracle only two people lost their lives. There certainly must have been many heroes, helping others quickly evacuate.
Lesson not Learned

Mount Hope, WV

#28521 Jul 6, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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That's okay, I call you m/f c/s mooch.
And we both know you don't have the balls to call anyone an animal to their face.
As we know: on top of everything else, you are a coward.
If I could see you , I would, and do call you a coward, but of course, you would have to stop cruising child porn and gay porn for awhile and get out of your scooter to respond.

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