Call for arrest of watch captain who shot kid

Mar 19, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: New York Daily News

ORLANDO, Fla. -- College students around Florida rallied Monday to demand the arrest of a white neighborhood watch captain who shot an unarmed black teen last month, though authorities may be hamstrung by a state law that allows people to defend themselves with deadly force.

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Oh my, if everyone who's ever LIED to the media were convicted, wouldn't that be a grand roundup at the OK corral.
The fact is the media thrives on sensationalized news reporting - the consumer's expectations are high!
Google - Edward Snowden. LOL
The point is, Captain Z has not testified under oath; all his supporters are relying on lies he's planted in the Media to defend him. Like the programmer would say: garbage in, garbage out!

_ if Captain Z lied to establish self-defense claim, the whole claim should therefore presumed false
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"Before testifying, Sybrina Fulton posted on Twitter "I pray that God gives me the strength to properly represent my Angel Trayvon."

TRANSLATION -- the woman is being told that Angel Trayvon is protecting her, and threatened that if she screws up, he'll ditch her and harm will come to her and others in her family as well.
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The point is, Captain Z has not testified under oath; all his supporters are relying on lies he's planted in the Media to defend him. Like the programmer would say: garbage in, garbage out!
_ if Captain Z lied to establish self-defense claim, the whole claim should therefore presumed false
Shame on you -- you're not a newbie. The BURDEN resides with THE STATE to prove to the jury that a defendant is guilty beyond reasonable doubt, by presenting evidence which consists of testimony and exhibits.

Have you forgetting Cheney Mason's closing arguments to the jury - the defense is NOT required to prove a defendant's innocence and is legally entitled to rest without presenting any evidence at all!
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Shame on you -- you're not a newbie. The BURDEN resides with THE STATE to prove to the jury that a defendant is guilty beyond reasonable doubt, by presenting evidence which consists of testimony and exhibits.
Have you forgetting Cheney Mason's closing arguments to the jury - the defense is NOT required to prove a defendant's innocence and is legally entitled to rest without presenting any evidence at all!
Prosecution has proven beyond any reasonable doubt that Mr. Zimmerman has lied. The cornerstone or the only evidence supporting defendant's self-defense claim is Captain Z's statement. If Defendant is a proven liar, it's justifiably reasonable that his total claim would be disregarded by the jury...

Guilty, as charged!

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Bad news for you Mr. Lawyer, even if Z was lying, that doesn't make him a murderer. All real evidence remains the same: Autopsy report, Zimmerman's injuries, eye witness.
Too bad so sad, the judge rules for the state...first defense witness is George's mother Gladys.
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Prosecution has proven beyond any reasonable doubt that Mr. Zimmerman has lied. The cornerstone or the only evidence supporting defendant's self-defense claim is Captain Z's statement. If Defendant is a proven liar, it's justifiably reasonable that his total claim would be disregarded by the jury...
Guilty, as charged!
So then the State should have charged GZ with lying, but they didn't. It's only common sense to file charges based upon evidence that a reasonable chance of a conviction.

However if Mark O'Mara does not put forth ANY defense on behalf of GZ, all his public appeals to fund a defense including paying for expert witnesses will look mighty suspicious.
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<quoted text>I don't care what he said on Hannity. That doesn't warrant a murder charge no different than lying Dee-Dee makes Martin the attacker. The state has to point to the exact reason why they charged Z with murder and talk shows are not it. Evidence is it.
He went on talk shows and changed his story and lied. He made it evidence. He should have kept his mouth shut. I do hope he insists on taking the stand.
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I don't care what he said on Hannity. That doesn't warrant a murder charge no different than lying Dee-Dee makes Martin the attacker. The state has to point to the exact reason why they charged Z with murder and talk shows are not it. Evidence is it.
The storyline is that GZ was charged with second degree murder in Aoril, 2012 BEFORE he allegedly appeared on Hannity. Of course, much like Jodi Arias, every defendant facing serious criminal charges is always anxious to "get cleared" on TV.

The simple fact is GZ's murder charge arose because millions wanted it.

Let the people decide if he's guilty or not....not the police or prosecution - shrieked the public!!

You got what you asked for.
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It's curious that people are attempting to distance Mark O'Mara from involvement in the Sean Hannity interview, when he was responsible.

April 12, 2012....."Mark O'Mara, George Zimmerman's new lawyer.......
http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-cha...

Exclusive: George Zimmerman breaks silence on 'Hannity'
Published July 18, 2012 | Hannity | Sean Hannity
With: George Zimmerman, Mark O'Mara
http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/hannity/2012/07...
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Shame on you -- you're not a newbie. The BURDEN resides with THE STATE to prove to the jury that a defendant is guilty beyond reasonable doubt, by presenting evidence which consists of testimony and exhibits.
Have you forgetting Cheney Mason's closing arguments to the jury - the defense is NOT required to prove a defendant's innocence and is legally entitled to rest without presenting any evidence at all!
Casey did not claim self defense.

The burden of an affirmative defense falls on the defense.
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He went on talk shows and changed his story and lied. He made it evidence. He should have kept his mouth shut. I do hope he insists on taking the stand.
Are you suggesting Mark O'Mara has been playing both sides of the table -- by facilitating high profile media activity which fuelled public sensationalism towards his client, while at the same time proclaiming his duty to defend his innocence...."donate now"!

Lawyers gotta eat too!
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No, the defense witness is John who was the closest person to actually being there when the fight started.
I hope the prosecution asks "John" how much he is being paid to testify. LOL
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The burden of an affirmative defense falls on the defense.
Link?
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If he changed his story 50 times, that doesn't make him a murderer because he was not under oath on the Sean Hannity show. So I'm still waiting for somebody to point to what Zimmerman did that made this into a murder charge.
I'd like to see in which law handbook it has been REwritten where defense attorneys should accompany their clients to blab their story to the media, prior to trial.

Yet "don't talk to the cops" still stands.....go figure.

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Hope this is a humorous comment. I side with evidence and truth where ever it may lead...
Bigotry against any ethnic group is wrong....
...LOL.....moonwalking now, eh?.....
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AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE

A defense in which the defendant introduces evidence, which, if found to be credible, will negate criminal or civil liability, even if it is proven that the defendant committed the alleged acts. Self-defense, entrapment, insanity, and necessity are some examples of affirmative defenses. See, e.g. Beach v. Ocwen Fed. Bank, 523 U.S. 410 (1998).

http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/affirmative_de...

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"Negating criminal lability" refers to mitigating circumstances....add the use of drugs or alcohol to the above list.

However nowhere, by virtue of default, does an affirmative defense absolve the state from responsibility of proving beyond reasonable doubt that the defendant is guilty as charged, in order to convict.

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Rambler wrote:
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So then the State should have charged GZ with lying, but they didn't. It's only common sense to file charges based upon evidence that a reasonable chance of a conviction.
However if Mark O'Mara does not put forth ANY defense on behalf of GZ, all his public appeals to fund a defense including paying for expert witnesses will look mighty suspicious.
WTF are you babbling about? The Sanford Police Department treated George as a friend of law enforcement from the get go, well before the department even had a clue who the deceased was. If George was lying, the SPD didn't give a sht...they simply bagged and tagged the John Doe and sent it along already knowing that it was just one more of Sanford's finest perps killed in the line of duty.

The state, aka the Seminole-Brevard States Attorneys office apparently never checked in publicly , at least not that we know of.

Governor Scott and Attorney General Pam Bondi pulled the case from the 18th district states attorneys office and issued it to Angela Corey's distant office. At that point it was known by all that someone inside law enforcement made an error in judgement during the very first hours of the Zimmerman case.

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Wrong. If this jury finds Zimmerman guilty of second degree murder, it puts fear in all people wishing to defend themselves legally. It is a major blow because Zimmerman did nothing illegal, and yet he's being tried for murder without an ounce of proof.
If that isn't scary, then I don't know what is.
Wrong, if Z piss is found guilty of murder, it will put fear in stupid klan monkeys like you from shooting unarmed Blacks and Hispanics that are minding their own business.
Lol!!!!!!!!!!
Lol!!!!!!!!!!
Lol!!!!!!!!!!

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If he changed his story 50 times, that doesn't make him a murderer because he was not under oath on the Sean Hannity show. So I'm still waiting for somebody to point to what Zimmerman did that made this into a murder charge.
Yo' piss rated, it makes him a lying murderer racist p.o.s.
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Too efn funny. The Hamptons at Metro West HOA is missing a member tonight. He was patrolling while armed and threatening residents.

Perfect timing!

Full story at orlandosentinel.com

LMAO

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