So you're comparing rhinoplasty with a closed fracture? So let me get this straight: Martin was on top of Zimmerman pounding his head into the ground, punching his face and eyes, and he was defending himself?<quoted text>
Of course his black eyes resulted from him being hit. Trayvon punched the SOB pedophile right in the nose while trying to defend himself, before he was murdered by a vicious thug.
Even people who undergo rhinoplasty have black eyes as a result.
You still have not refuted one word of my original post.
As a youth, I've had to defend myself many times, but I don't recall where I was ever beating the hell out of my opponent and considered myself the victim.
You never answered my other question: if you were attacked the way Zimmerman was sustaining the same injuries, would you say you were not hurt seriously enough to warrant self-defense of some kind? Would you say you were not hurt that badly?