Florida rights activists laud California gay marriage ruling

[lab-rat]

Orange County blues wrote:

<quoted text>Also speaks volumes that he thinks tolerance must be forced.
I guess he's right- if people won't be tolerant voluntarily, then there is little choice but to FORCE people to do the right thing, and of course, being tolerant IS the right thing to do!

In some cases, but not all.

[lab-rat]

three cents wrote:

<quoted text> Oh, because children witnessing mulltiple marriages by their heterosexual parents is a better option, right? Children are more understanding than many adults, give them the credit they deserve. Most are raised very well from gay families. Stop using the kid issue as an avenue to discrimination.

Maybe we should outlaw divorce of two people that have children as well.

BTW, the people that are divorced are the ones that continue to remarry and get divorced, driving the statistic up. People that remain married are far greater than the manipulated statistics show...

[lab-rat]

Orange County blues wrote:

TO WAYNE:
Our country was NOT founded on the Bible. We have a clear separation of church and state in this country.
What is REALLY immoral is people preaching to others who they should love. Love between two people of the same sex is no less valid than love between two people of the opposite sex.
Homosexuality is NOT an illness, and if you would do some very rudimentary research, you would know that. That YOU call it an illness is a judgment on your part, but a judgment is not a fact.
If you are teaching YOUR children that homosexuality is an illness which is NOT true, instead of teaching them that it is how some people are BORN- which IS true, then it is YOU who is teaching your children the wrong things and you are teaching your children to ostracize and judge others for what you perceive as an "illness".
You are also wrong about Dr. Kevorkian- if someone is so ill that their quality of life has suffered to the point that THEY make the decision and determination that it is not worth living, it should certainly be their right to undergo euthanasia. There ARE worse things than dying, and living a life in which you are not really living, but merely existing- with no joy, happiness or comfort, but with a lot of physical pain and DIScomfort is one of them and all the more when one's illness is terminal. Wasting away to nothing more than a shell of one's former self is nothing short of a living death.
Abortion is a whole different issue, and no one says you have to believe in abortion or in someone else wanting to end their own life but whether or not abortion is legal, people will have them, and it is a legal right- whether you like it or not.
The government is not "approving" abortion- it is merely giving people the LEGAL right to have one under safe and sanitary conditions.
You don't have to have an abortion, nor do you ever have to decide that you want to terminate your OWN life, but it is not for YOU to judge. You speak of the Bible- doesn't the Bible say "judge not lest ye be judged"?
What you consider "right" may be right for you, and that's fine, but it may not be right for someone else.
Sounds to me like you are the one who needs to come to your senses and realize that the Bible should not dictate what our laws should or should not be.
To say that the Bible should be used as a guide to determine our laws and rights is pretty much the same as trying to force religion on the citizens of this country- of which there are many who do not believe in God, or question the existence of God and/or do not believe in the Bible.
Just as it is YOUR right to believe in God and believe that the Bible is the word of God, it is the right of others to believe what THEY choose to believe, and not what YOU think they should believe.
The wisest thing you can do is live YOUR life how you see fit for YOU, and allow others to do the same.

Would you support my right to not approve of gay marriage, or is tolerance a one way street for you?

[lab-rat]

Jim wrote:

As a gay man, I am of course 'for' gay marriage on principal, and on Constitutional grounds. But other than that... I'm amazed that so many of my brethren are clamoring for this failed institution of marriage.
51% of marriages fail and plunge it's participants into a financial and legal morass that takes years to sort out. Myself, I would NEVER participate in it.

I understand what you are saying, but the 51% statistic is slanted. Here's why:

A majority of people from failed marriages go on to have additional failed marriages. Meaning that the pool of divorced people are responsible for several failed marriages while people in their FIRST marriage that is successful are only responsible for ONE successful marriage.

Of course, none of this has any bearing on the chances of gay marriages succeeding or failing. I doubt that there are any meaningful statistics at this point.

[Orange County blues]

lab-rat wrote:

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Would you support my right to not approve of gay marriage, or is tolerance a one way street for you?

Gay marriage shouldn't require your approval or my approval....

The person I responded to mistakenly thinks homosexuality is an illness and also mistakenly thinks that the Bible should be used as a means to determine what our laws are or should be.

You have every right to not approve of gay marriage, in that no one is forcing you to marry someone of the same sex.

That doesn't mean you have the right to tell others what they can or cannot do, and if someone wants to marry someone of the same sex, that is really their business- not yours and not mine.

[anonymous]

Benjamin Alvarez wrote:

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I'm guessing your're gay, well this is congrats on this major ruling. You're right and I do bring up my kids the way I want to; they will never bring a gay home to this house, that was instilled at youth.So if they do they will be banned forever, my rule, not yours or others. They know the difference between right and wrong and if you are gay your children will be gay and one day we'll have a gay society and everyone will be happy serving each other of you catch the drift. I'm hoping we al get a chance to vote, you lose!

I bet Dick Cheney once thought that, too.

[non-silent majority]

Barry wrote:

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Ahh yeah we do. Canadians are welcome in Florida - they have a lot of oil and water. Gay marriage? What a joke. Male gays are like dogs in heat but dogs are more responsible.

LOL

[Mangler]

As an American who believes in the Constitution, yes! Whole heartedly. I support your right to express your beliefs and opinions in every manner you can even though I don't agree with you on this one. I stand firmly by your right to speak your mind, protest for your cause, wear T-shirts and pass out fliers for your cause. I will fight anyone who tries to deny you your right to do this.

However, I do not support legislation that takes rights away from the people. This (denying marriage to same sex couple) being a subject that I cannot and will not ever support.

lab-rat wrote:

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Would you support my right to not approve of gay marriage, or is tolerance a one way street for you?

[Destin-John]

If they can ban gay marriage by voting, why don't we vote to ban straight marriage?? geesh, talk about getting left out.

[sodajerk1976]

fl native wrote:

To be honest I think people need to spend a little more time worrying about what goes on in their own home instead of worrying about what goes in someone elses. The longest lasting, happiest couple I know are two men. Who are we to judge them? With all the divorces, cheating and screwed up kids out there heterosexual couples don't seem to be doing such a great job. It takes alot of strentgh and character to go against the "so called" norm and be who you are. Ignorant people don't understand that g & l don't wake up one morning and say "oh, I think I am going to be gay! I think I feel like being ridiculed, targeted and misunderstood by my friends, family and complete strangers. They are who they are and people! worry about your own business becaue judging by how screwed the world is you need to.

"Who are we to judge?" We won't but God Will....Sodom and Gamora.

"It takes alot of strentgh and character to go against the "so called" norm and be who you are."

Just ask a pediofile, someone into Beastiallity, Bigomy,Polygamy, Alcoholics, People who are harrassed by society for smoking (oh yes I forgot the liberal thinkers say that they are hurting themselves as they are creating their own health hazards...then again homosexuals are also doing this with the onset of AIDS/HIV..)

"Ignorant people don't understand that g & l don't wake up one morning and say "oh, I think I am going to be gay!"

There are no facts to state that gays are born that way. Many are a result of a behavior issue do to abuse from home, a dominant opposite sex parent, or sexual abuse by friend or relative.

Gay activists are attacking Christianity and intolerant and show bigotry to those who disagree with their disgusting sexual (anal) behavior:

Bishop Fred Henry of Calgary, Canada, was investigated by the Alberta Human Rights Commission for doing little more than writing about this teaching in a newspaper column.Åke Green, pastor of a Pentecostalist church in Sweden, was tried, convicted, and sentenced to a month in prison for a sermon that insulted homosexuals.
Justices of the peace who refused to preside over same-sex unions due to moral or religious objections were summarily fired.

Matt Foreman (picture to the right), executive director of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force (NGLTF, www.thetaskforce.org ), the nation’s oldest gay rights group, made the statements at the organization’s national conference in February.
Foreman’s controversial statement about AIDS surprised even many of the conference attendees. He told them,“Folks, with 70% of the people in this country living with HIV being gay or bi(sexual), we cannot deny that HIV is a gay disease. We have to own that and face up to that.”