Orlando cabbies fight fees, hours, co...

Orlando cabbies fight fees, hours, conditions

There are 46 comments on the Orlando Sentinel story from Apr 29, 2008, titled Orlando cabbies fight fees, hours, conditions. In it, Orlando Sentinel reports that:

About 50 cabdrivers protested working conditions they compared with "slavery" on Monday, driving in a caravan down Interstate 4 before demonstrating in front of Orlando City Hall.

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pat of cocoa

Palm Bay, FL

#1 Apr 29, 2008
It is sad that posters will be saying the cab drivers should find new work.The truth is a lot of the drivers are haitions .They know the central americans are coming here and will work more hours complain less .So many americans the last 5 years became real estate agents even thou they knew we were in a housing bubble they wanted easy work.So the cab drivers want to sit all day and do a little driving and make a living its better than selling homes before a crash.
ANON

Orlando, FL

#2 Apr 29, 2008
Well being in the limousine transportation industry all I can say is would you like some cheese with that whine. You taxi drivers that lease the cars are the biggest morons I have ever met. IF you had an intelligence you would take that money you pay to lease the car from mears. You would lease your own car, insurance, get your own city of Orlando permit and MCO permit and do like the rest of us WORK TO GET CLIENTS THAT WE HAVE.

Slavery MY A$$ welcome to the real world! How many of us are working two and 3 jobs to make it.
< playing an air violin for that long drawn out tune you are playing>
ANON

Orlando, FL

#3 Apr 29, 2008
Let me add it is simple to get a permits in both orange county, osceola,etc. It is called get incorportated which if you are a 1099 sub contactor you should be anyways for tax purposes. Get a business license and pay the fees which are cheaper than what you are paying to lease the car. IT is not the hard to become legal and work where you want to. IT looks like you want something for nothing and you are being led by the nose by that idiot Davids
Dave

Orlando, FL

#4 Apr 29, 2008
Thanks, Anon...your right on target!
ANON wrote:
Well being in the limousine transportation industry all I can say is would you like some cheese with that whine. You taxi drivers that lease the cars are the biggest morons I have ever met. IF you had an intelligence you would take that money you pay to lease the car from mears. You would lease your own car, insurance, get your own city of Orlando permit and MCO permit and do like the rest of us WORK TO GET CLIENTS THAT WE HAVE.
Slavery MY A$$ welcome to the real world! How many of us are working two and 3 jobs to make it.
< playing an air violin for that long drawn out tune you are playing>
gil

Daytona Beach, FL

#5 Apr 29, 2008
Dave wrote:
Thanks, Anon...your right on target!
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Anon is only talking about pick up and drop off permits. He can't buy a taxi permit to operate in the City of Orlando. I.E. You will only see Mears,Ace Metro, and a couple others on city taxi stands and in the OIA bullpen. Mears does have a monopoly. Check out the loading system at OIA. They load 4 mears taxi's then two of some other company. At least have first in/first out so ppl can compete fairly. Unfortunately the other city permitted companies go along with Mears because they can charge the same money for a lease as long as the system is a controlled market. Mears monopoly was started in the 1930's a time when only whites could have such a business, so it's not just a monopoly it's racism.
The City would do well with a medallion system. In NY medallions sell for big $$$. O town is a celebrity town and medallions would fit right in. Mears would simply switch over to an owner operator plan that would free them of alot of overhead. Any objection is pure paranoia.
Law Abiding

Cocoa, FL

#6 Apr 29, 2008
gil wrote:
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Anon is only talking about pick up and drop off permits. He can't buy a taxi permit to operate in the City of Orlando. I.E. You will only see Mears,Ace Metro, and a couple others on city taxi stands and in the OIA bullpen. Mears does have a monopoly. Check out the loading system at OIA. They load 4 mears taxi's then two of some other company. At least have first in/first out so ppl can compete fairly. Unfortunately the other city permitted companies go along with Mears because they can charge the same money for a lease as long as the system is a controlled market. Mears monopoly was started in the 1930's a time when only whites could have such a business, so it's not just a monopoly it's racism.
The City would do well with a medallion system. In NY medallions sell for big $$$. O town is a celebrity town and medallions would fit right in. Mears would simply switch over to an owner operator plan that would free them of alot of overhead. Any objection is pure paranoia.
It sounds like Mears and a few others have paid off "Booby" Dyer and his corrupt organization. No surprises here.
gil

Daytona Beach, FL

#7 Apr 29, 2008
Law Abiding wrote:
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It sounds like Mears and a few others have paid off "Booby" Dyer and his corrupt organization. No surprises here.
I don't know if it's that easy? 70 some years in business means they probably have streamlined the system so it's a real smooth ride for the city and mears. It doesn't equal bribes just because they "function at the junction". Mears does spend alot of money here, and they are a large popular white family with long roots. All of them are heirs to the throne of Paul Sr. Which means they probably won't give an inch to any demands made by drivers because they are afraid of any change that might infringe on their profits, or require some degree of risk.
gil

Daytona Beach, FL

#8 Apr 29, 2008
When I drove for Mears the head(mears family) guy who I won't mention by name was just some drunk that pretended to care about the business. I can't imagine him straining his brain past the next drink let alone changing the system.
SUPERMAN

United States

#9 Apr 29, 2008
Mears has a monopoly, so they must be taking care of politicians in some way ($$$).
gil wrote:
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Anon is only talking about pick up and drop off permits. He can't buy a taxi permit to operate in the City of Orlando. I.E. You will only see Mears,Ace Metro, and a couple others on city taxi stands and in the OIA bullpen. Mears does have a monopoly. Check out the loading system at OIA. They load 4 mears taxi's then two of some other company. At least have first in/first out so ppl can compete fairly. Unfortunately the other city permitted companies go along with Mears because they can charge the same money for a lease as long as the system is a controlled market. Mears monopoly was started in the 1930's a time when only whites could have such a business, so it's not just a monopoly it's racism.
The City would do well with a medallion system. In NY medallions sell for big $$$. O town is a celebrity town and medallions would fit right in. Mears would simply switch over to an owner operator plan that would free them of alot of overhead. Any objection is pure paranoia.
DWT

Kissimmee, FL

#10 Apr 29, 2008
If it is a monopoly, find a lawyer, from any town, who will take it to court. If it is a monopoly created by the city then you will be touted as a whistle blower and all your complaining will mean something. That is all any of these people are doing is complaining. Stop whining and do something if you think an injustice is taking place.
ANON

Orlando, FL

#11 Apr 29, 2008
gil wrote:
<quoted text>
Anon is only talking about pick up and drop off permits. He can't buy a taxi permit to operate in the City of Orlando. I.E. You will only see Mears,Ace Metro, and a couple others on city taxi stands and in the OIA bullpen. Mears does have a monopoly. Check out the loading system at OIA. They load 4 mears taxi's then two of some other company. At least have first in/first out so ppl can compete fairly. Unfortunately the other city permitted companies go along with Mears because they can charge the same money for a lease as long as the system is a controlled market. Mears monopoly was started in the 1930's a time when only whites could have such a business, so it's not just a monopoly it's racism.
The City would do well with a medallion system. In NY medallions sell for big $$$. O town is a celebrity town and medallions would fit right in. Mears would simply switch over to an owner operator plan that would free them of alot of overhead. Any objection is pure paranoia.
No I am talking about a city of orlando vehicle for hire permit. AKA TAXI PERMIT. Which allows you to pick and drop off and to do charters business. THe permit allows you to do what ever type of taxi/limo work there is. Simple to get very simple. I have permits on all my vehicles. I can go sit at any hotel, convention center, taxi stop that will allow me to sit there and do business.

Now what Mears has done is an monolpy on the cabbie spots, hotels etc and they are facing invsetigations and pending lawsuits.

Now currently the assocations in Orlando are trying to get somthing similiar to the medallions to allow all the ports, airports and cities to be able to work in. Currently we can't even pick up a client that we dropped off at the Port of Miami or Fort Lauderdale.
ANON

Orlando, FL

#12 Apr 29, 2008
SUPERMAN wrote:
Mears has a monopoly, so they must be taking care of politicians in some way ($$$).
<quoted text>
Not them doing they are in league with the big WDW AKA Walt Disney World
ANON

Orlando, FL

#13 Apr 29, 2008
gil wrote:
When I drove for Mears the head(mears family) guy who I won't mention by name was just some drunk that pretended to care about the business. I can't imagine him straining his brain past the next drink let alone changing the system.
That was Paul Senior his dad I believed Passed away and Junior is now in charge. I hate to say it he has one heck of a racket going on. People stupid enought to lease a vehicle for 900 a week. IF they don't make it some one is willing to do it.
EinRand

Orlando, FL

#14 Apr 29, 2008
At Mears, we are not allowed to work more than 12 hours. This ensurses the customer that their driver is relatively alert, and also our insurance company demands such.
Mears is not a monopoly. They are however the largest due to the fact that they've stepped up to the plate and are always makeing advances in customer satisfaction. Thats how you get repeat business. Fact is I routinely have to turn down business because I can make more money by simply going to the closest fare available. If your not making cab, gas, and at least ten an hour, then your not hustling. There are folks out there working at much harder jobs making less money. Yes Mears raised their rates (6%), but only after the city raised the rate drivers are allowed to charge to $2.20 /mi.(10%) So, the driver gets a 4% raise. The 6% they charge on credit cards is very reasonable, because we get a lot more business that we ordinarily would not if the customer could only use hard cash. The real secret of our success is our GPS dispatching system. You get the cab that is closest to you. Heck, if your a regular customer, and already in our DB system you can use an autocaller fuction and don't even have to wait on the phone. The computer already knows the address your calling form. Drivers can make more money going for the closest fare and not expending fuel on a customer across town. These gypsy cab drivers all have this new invention called a cell phone which enables previous satisfied customers to call them back. If thats not happening, then its the customer that voted with their dollar, not Mears Monopoly. The gyps are just angry they not allowed to prey on drunk people on Orange avenue. However, they do anyways because OPD is too busy with real crime. If anything, it is the majority of law abiding, liscense paying cab drivers who should be protesting in front of city hall. It's a free market, and if your unable to make a living in your chosen profession, then perhaps its seek an alternate market. Life is hard, but it is not the job of the government to force others to do business with you, only to inhibit others from trying to harm you.
gil

Daytona Beach, FL

#15 Apr 29, 2008
ANON wrote:
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No I am talking about a city of orlando vehicle for hire permit. AKA TAXI PERMIT. Which allows you to pick and drop off and to do charters business. THe permit allows you to do what ever type of taxi/limo work there is. Simple to get very simple. I have permits on all my vehicles. I can go sit at any hotel, convention center, taxi stop that will allow me to sit there and do business.
Now what Mears has done is an monolpy on the cabbie spots, hotels etc and they are facing invsetigations and pending lawsuits.
Now currently the assocations in Orlando are trying to get somthing similiar to the medallions to allow all the ports, airports and cities to be able to work in. Currently we can't even pick up a client that we dropped off at the Port of Miami or Fort Lauderdale.
Well I'd like to see one of your company cabs sitting at the airport bullpen, or at any of the city taxi stands? You have a pu and drop permit that does allow you to work hotels, etc that want you. I suspect you haven't been caught yet by code enforcement. One of these nights they will be working downtown Orlando and you may be in for a suprise, because your permit doesn't allow you to cruise in the city and pu flags. As for picking up in Port of Miami, I was there a few weeks ago in a 24 pass bus and nobody asked to see my permits. I didn't have one and was told they wouldn't ask.
gil

Daytona Beach, FL

#16 Apr 29, 2008
EinRand wrote:
At Mears, we are not allowed to work more than 12 hours. This ensurses the customer that their driver is relatively alert, and also our insurance company demands such.
Mears is not a monopoly. They are however the largest due to the fact that they've stepped up to the plate and are always makeing advances in customer satisfaction. Thats how you get repeat business. Fact is I routinely have to turn down business because I can make more money by simply going to the closest fare available. If your not making cab, gas, and at least ten an hour, then your not hustling. There are folks out there working at much harder jobs making less money. Yes Mears raised their rates (6%), but only after the city raised the rate drivers are allowed to charge to $2.20 /mi.(10%) So, the driver gets a 4% raise. The 6% they charge on credit cards is very reasonable, because we get a lot more business that we ordinarily would not if the customer could only use hard cash. The real secret of our success is our GPS dispatching system. You get the cab that is closest to you. Heck, if your a regular customer, and already in our DB system you can use an autocaller fuction and don't even have to wait on the phone. The computer already knows the address your calling form. Drivers can make more money going for the closest fare and not expending fuel on a customer across town. These gypsy cab drivers all have this new invention called a cell phone which enables previous satisfied customers to call them back. If thats not happening, then its the customer that voted with their dollar, not Mears Monopoly. The gyps are just angry they not allowed to prey on drunk people on Orange avenue. However, they do anyways because OPD is too busy with real crime. If anything, it is the majority of law abiding, liscense paying cab drivers who should be protesting in front of city hall. It's a free market, and if your unable to make a living in your chosen profession, then perhaps its seek an alternate market. Life is hard, but it is not the job of the government to force others to do business with you, only to inhibit others from trying to harm you.
Jeez!! Inrand you must be new! Don't you know the weeklies shut off their gandalf and work another 12 hours doing only stands and flags? That's improtant when the fish are running! I think Mears is self insured or partially self insured, so what are you saying?
Not a monopoly??? City Cab, Checker Cab, Yellow Cab, Osceola Yellow Cab, Winter Park Yellow, Mears Town Cars, Mears Shuttles, Mears Buses, Most Disney buses are driven by Mears drivers, The I-drive trollies are driven by Mears drivers. Mears contracts include Disney, Universal, Sea World, Greyhound Orlando, Fla mall, and several major hotels. The Obvious monoploy at OIA includes Mears employeess supervise the loading of all cabs and the system of 4 mears cabs then 2 of some other company. I'm sure they own alot more than what's mentioned here. If that's not a monopoly what is?
As for you making good money, more power to you!! I wonder where you are working. My guess is probably not Pine Hills and Apopka.
It's not really a free market it's a controlled market! Learn the difference.
Miguel Hernandez

United States

#17 Apr 29, 2008
gil wrote:
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Jeez!! Inrand you must be new! Don't you know the weeklies shut off their gandalf and work another 12 hours doing only stands and flags? That's improtant when the fish are running! I think Mears is self insured or partially self insured, so what are you saying?
Not a monopoly??? City Cab, Checker Cab, Yellow Cab, Osceola Yellow Cab, Winter Park Yellow, Mears Town Cars, Mears Shuttles, Mears Buses, Most Disney buses are driven by Mears drivers, The I-drive trollies are driven by Mears drivers. Mears contracts include Disney, Universal, Sea World, Greyhound Orlando, Fla mall, and several major hotels. The Obvious monoploy at OIA includes Mears employeess supervise the loading of all cabs and the system of 4 mears cabs then 2 of some other company. I'm sure they own alot more than what's mentioned here. If that's not a monopoly what is?
As for you making good money, more power to you!! I wonder where you are working. My guess is probably not Pine Hills and Apopka.
It's not really a free market it's a controlled market! Learn the difference.
Don't forget, they also own two or three Destination Management Companies that handle most of the major conventions coming into town so they channel all the transportation thru their vehicles and then they farm everything out to smaller companies, they don't even move their vehicles sometimes, they make more money just farming out all the work.
Mears and the word Monopoly is the same thing. I don't blame them.
I blame the City, the County and the airport for allowing them to do it.
gil

Daytona Beach, FL

#18 Apr 30, 2008
Miguel Hernandez wrote:
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Don't forget, they also own two or three Destination Management Companies that handle most of the major conventions coming into town so they channel all the transportation thru their vehicles and then they farm everything out to smaller companies, they don't even move their vehicles sometimes, they make more money just farming out all the work.
Mears and the word Monopoly is the same thing. I don't blame them.
I blame the City, the County and the airport for allowing them to do it.
I think maybe the blame is with the federal government. We need a law that protects us from contolled enterpise in some job categories. For example: states, counties and cities should not be able to control the number of carpenters, sign painters, cab drivers, restaurants, and churches, etc. Of course they should control the number of nuclear power plants, hospitals, airports, etc., major industries. America is supposed to be the shining example of free enterprise, so let us be that.
Zyskandar A Jaimot

United States

#19 Apr 30, 2008
Why do ORLANDO 'CAB RATES' exceed those of NEW YORK CITY??? What stupidity gave them the O.K. to hike fares yet again??? OH SORRY FORGOT THIS WAS BUDDT BUFFOON'S LAME CITY OF CRIME/HIGHER-TAXES/FEES/CAB-RA TES/BUT WES GETS TO SPEND 3BILLION OF YOUR TAX DOLLARS ON THE 'ARENA SCAM'!!! ORLANDO the city of inordinate jokes and frauds!!!
gil

Daytona Beach, FL

#20 Apr 30, 2008
Zyskandar A Jaimot wrote:
Why do ORLANDO 'CAB RATES' exceed those of NEW YORK CITY??? What stupidity gave them the O.K. to hike fares yet again??? OH SORRY FORGOT THIS WAS BUDDT BUFFOON'S LAME CITY OF CRIME/HIGHER-TAXES/FEES/CAB-RA TES/BUT WES GETS TO SPEND 3BILLION OF YOUR TAX DOLLARS ON THE 'ARENA SCAM'!!! ORLANDO the city of inordinate jokes and frauds!!!
Cab rates are set according to the number of miles drivers have to travel to pu a customer and drop off, then return to the city or county of orgin. In NY city there is alot of cross town business, and many customers are flags(they wave down a cab).
However in Orlando because it's strictly a controlled market the few companies in the monopoly charge excessive money to the drives that lease a cab. The drivers in return complain they can't make a decent living. So the city raises the rate, and passes the buck to you the consumer.
Only by opening the city to free enterprise will the rates go down. The main stream companies would reduce their overhead by converting to owner operators and independents would be able to charge less money to you by finding the competitive edge.

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