Looking for Justice

Aptos, CA

#54 Jan 10, 2008
Virtually everyone at Mirabilis relied upon these five directors and officers to insure there was no problem with most of Mirabilis revenue coming from Presidion.

Richard Berman
Hans Beyer
Edie Curry
Frank Hailstones
Laurie Holtz
Looking for Justice

Aptos, CA

#55 Jan 10, 2008
The self-serving actions of these two certified public accountant made many people less diligent than otherwise.

Stanley, in trying to protect himself kept saying Mirabilis taxes were current and some persons may have relied upon those statements; but not directors or senior executives.

Myers represented to all parties that the IRS was aware of the situation and acquiescing some could have relied upon these statements, but not Holtz or Beyer who were either in direct contact personally or through their firm with the IRS.
Question

United States

#56 Jan 10, 2008
Looking for Justice wrote:
Virtually everyone at Mirabilis relied upon these five directors and officers to insure there was no problem with most of Mirabilis revenue coming from Presidion.
Richard Berman
Hans Beyer
Edie Curry
Frank Hailstones
Laurie Holtz
The news I have read about Mirablis is all focussed on a few people. Amodeo, Vandeberg, sacco, maybe a few others. Why no mention of these people- Berman, Beyer, Curry, Holtz Hailstones? Seriously, can anyone answer that question.
Boo

Lakeland, FL

#58 Jan 17, 2008
Its is dark in here. Why no chatter? Have the blog police squashed freedom of speach?

Anything new from the Mirabilis files?
concerned

Altamonte Springs, FL

#59 Jan 20, 2008
The feds have caused all of the messages to be removed, shame. Now, everyone is afraid to make any posts. Of course, they can track your IP address, did you not know that?
No worry here

Altamonte Springs, FL

#60 Jan 20, 2008
Sounds as if Big Brother is watching us.
Many Questions

Houston, TX

#61 Jan 21, 2008
1. What makes Amodeo “the bad guy” instead of Vanderburg or Stanley?
2. Vanderburg controlled the payroll tax money for Presidion; Stanley controlled the payroll tax money for Mirabilis: if either of them had simply paid the tax before paying anything else what would have happened? Both were presidents, directors, controlling persons and had contracts. If they followed the law what could possibly have happened?
3. Would either Presidion’s or Mirabilis’ board of directors replaced them because they were paying the taxes?
4. Does this same reasoning also apply to Sue Schumacher, Chief Financial Officer of Presidion; What about Debra Cole, Chief Financial Officer of Mirabilis HR? If either of these individuals had refused to carry out Vanderburg’s or Stanley’s direction; instead paid the taxes does anyone believe either would have been fired by the respective boards?
5. Is there any chance Stanley, Vanderburg, Cole or Schumacher were not aware failing to pay the tax was illegal?
6. If so, how could this be, especially since Stanley, Cole, and Schumacher are CPA’s?
7. Did any of these people ask Amodeo or the Board of Directors: why are we not paying taxes?
8. Is it conceivable all of them and boards relied upon Amodeo, the convicted felon, bankrupt, bipolar and disbarred former attorney?
9. Why did Edie Curry, Richard Berman, Laurie Holtz, Hans Beyer, Robert Moreyra, Chris O’Connor and James Baiers go along with this for two years? Four years in the case of James Baiers? Each a licensed professional should have known better, how much could Vanderburg or Stanley paid them to take these chances?
10. Where did the money go? Isn’t there some trail? This is not Iraq, it could not just disappear.
11. What is Aldrostar? How is Paul Hughes involved with Aldrostar? What about Bobby Luccia? Luis Espinosa? Jeff Pendel?
12. How much money did Fred Sandlin make from the sale of Sunshine? Same question for Robert Gaines?
13. How much money did Ken Hendricks and his group make from the sale of Paradyme, Inc.?
14. What about Alex Morrero, Carlos Delgado, and Joseph Pilego?
15. The purpose of licensing controlling persons for PEO’s is to have people who are legally accountable for the PEO complying with all laws especially workers compensation and payroll taxes. If the taxes were not paying is it not the responsibility of the controlling persons?
16. Is there any excuse for the six controlling persons not either insuring the tax was being paid or reporting the nonpayment to at least the DBPR if not parent company boards and the IRS?
17. Who were the controlling persons?
18. Why did the IRS not know about these unpaid taxes? Especially, since according to IRS filings the unpaid taxes have exceeded a million dollars since 2002? Why did the IRS not stop this earlier?
19. Is it true Jose Marrero and Dan Myers met with the IRS on many occasions? Is it true together they had hundreds of communications with the IRS? Did they lie to the IRS? If not, how can the IRS complain now? What do the IRS agents say about all the above?
20. What did Mirabilis’ directors, executives, officers, managers and employees think Mirabilis did? What was the source of Mirabilis’ revenues?
21. Did Presidion or Mirabilis have audits? If so who audited?

“Semper Fi...”

Since: Dec 07

Glenwood, FL -the last of many

#62 Jan 21, 2008
...Many Questions: Many of the answers appeared on the original Mirabilis thread. Unfortunately, all of that has been wiped out...:-(
...Why that happened, nobody out here knows--onlee Da Shader doo, in SentinelLand... ;-)
...Everybody is afraid to makes posts, Concerned? Au contraire. Methinks most everybody has moved on, having beaten this dead horse down to its bare, splintered bones...:-)
Ah Ha

Montréal, Canada

#63 Jan 22, 2008
Vanderburg, Burcham and Baiers developed a plan to acquire certain PEO’s or PEO assets.
By combining these assets into Presidion Corporation Vanderburg, Burcham and Baiers believed the value of the assets could be inflated
The inflated value could be used to raise money from investors, lenders, or subsequent purchasers.
This money would be used to pacify preexisting creditors, be distributed to former owner of the acquired assets, compensating the former owners for participating with the plan and for significant personal gain.
The lender, investor or buyer would be left with a loss of initial investment plus any subsequent investment; also other creditors who were not paid off at time of the new money would ultimately lose money or property.
To accomplish this, the defendants prepared and circulated financial statements which were inaccurate.
These financial statements were disseminated both electronically and by mail; many entities relied upon these financials in establishing and continuing a relationship with the: Presidion enterprise.
Need to Know

Montréal, Canada

#64 Jan 22, 2008
The failure of a person with a certain position, title or contract to either obtain or perform certain acts is a breach of the person’s duty to the person’s company.
If a person has a position and lacks the authority to fulfill the responsibilities of the position is negligent for the person to continue in that role with the company.
A person with a statuary duty is negligent if the person works within a company which does not have established procedures and corresponding internal controls to insure the duty is timely performed by all persons necessary to fulfilling the duty.
Poof

United States

#69 Jan 23, 2008
The case of the disappearing blog. This is actually pathetic. 50 posts showing out of 65. Someone should report this to another newspaper in Florida so they can run with this story.

“Semper Fi...”

Since: Dec 07

Glenwood, FL -the last of many

#70 Jan 23, 2008
...While we have been pundicating and pontificating over the loooong haul of two Mirabilis threads--censored though they be...Life has dealt a brutal blow to the federal prosecutor, Randy Gold...
...His son, Eric, has died of cancer, at the age of 26...This was a very special young man, who overcame adversity after adversity, and never gave up on his goal of giving of himself to others in need...
...His obituary is definitely worth a read--In the Orlando Sentinel, Tuesday, 1/22, Page C4. Fittingly, the piece is finely written by the staff writer who has labored on the Mirabilis story itself, Jim Leusner...
...Sincerest sympathies to the Gold family on the tragic loss of their splendid heart-light, Eric...
Poof

Clearwater, FL

#71 Jan 24, 2008
I am truly saddened to hear that. My sympathies are with The Gold family.
Buckstripes the Lesser

Riverview, FL

#72 Jan 27, 2008
Is there any news on the lawsuits? Last I heard Mirabilis was suing Edie Curry, Hailstones, Ken Hendricks and a whole bunch of others. Has Mirabilis collected any money from these lawsuits yet?
Rednkgypsy

Jacksonville, FL

#73 Jan 31, 2008
Our company got our W-2's. Everyone of them is wrong. We had them for 3 months and mine only reflects 257.00 of income

“Semper Fi...”

Since: Dec 07

Glenwood, FL -the last of many

#74 Jan 31, 2008
...Saves ya from paying income taxes anyway...or maybe not...:=)
Mirabilis Update

Sanford, FL

#75 Feb 1, 2008
Buckstripes the Lesser wrote:
Is there any news on the lawsuits? Last I heard Mirabilis was suing Edie Curry, Hailstones, Ken Hendricks and a whole bunch of others. Has Mirabilis collected any money from these lawsuits yet?
http://mirabilisventures.blogspot.com/2008/02...
Boo

Lakeland, FL

#76 Feb 7, 2008
The Orlando Sentinel killed this story. Gotta love freedom of the press. Apparently it supersedes freedom of speech.
Battlescarred

United States

#77 Feb 12, 2008
Mirabilis Update wrote:
Any word on the Hailstone/Curry lawsuit? I heard MVI got hammered in federal court.
Steve Fraser

Southfield, MI

#78 Feb 25, 2008
Up here in Michigan, the name Craig Vanderberg is well known to PEO victims of the SES (Simplified Employment Services) scam.

Vanderberg worked for SES in early 90's. Left to start "GENESYS" PEO. My company was a client of both SES and Genesys at one time or another.

Fast forward - Genesys sells to SES. Money begins disappearing randomly from our bank account, heading to SES. Health insurance premiums not paid.

We bailed on SES before the disaster truly hit. SES is then investigated for massive $30 million "check kiting" scheme, as well as unpaid PAYROLL taxes ($50 million) and health premiums.....

Since Vanderberg had left to start Presidion, he could take the SES playbook and begin this scam anew.

Sounds like he learned REAL WELL.....

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