Osceola contracts: County creates program for minorities and women

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The Osceola County Commission on Monday unanimously approved the creation of a women and minority business enterprise program.
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AMF

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Apr 27, 2009
 
And everybody wonders why it costs so much for government to do business. Welfare,welfare,welfare....... ...
Redogg

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Apr 27, 2009
 
What a bunch of gutless individuals we have in politics. This is discrimination at its finest and nobody will say anything in public because of the PC police.

If I were given a contract simply because of my skin color, I wouldn't feel good about myself in the least. Then again, maybe I would if I weren't qualified enough to receive the contract otherwise.

John Q is a pandering sissy and his constituents who can't form thoughts for themselves buy into his crap. The rest of the Commissioners are just as bad going along with him on this.
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Apr 27, 2009
 
It's time for you all to wake up. This wouldn't be happening unless there was an incredible imbalance going on, which calls for a remedy of this magnitude. Unfortunately, because the Sentinel doesn't report on all the activity from good ole boys, the only way you can see it clearly, is if you're stung by their machinations, and then you get a front row seat to see how the system works to protect their dirty little secrets.

I just wish the Sentinel would report the news so that you could all see it for yourselves. But I guess it serves the good ole boys' purpose to have you hating minorities when this happens.
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Apr 27, 2009
 
In your own backyard wrote:
It's time for you all to wake up. This wouldn't be happening unless there was an incredible imbalance going on, which calls for a remedy of this magnitude. Unfortunately, because the Sentinel doesn't report on all the activity from good ole boys, the only way you can see it clearly, is if you're stung by their machinations, and then you get a front row seat to see how the system works to protect their dirty little secrets.
I just wish the Sentinel would report the news so that you could all see it for yourselves. But I guess it serves the good ole boys' purpose to have you hating minorities when this happens.
In essence, you are telling us that the majority of non-minority businesses applying for the same work are corrupt, on the take and discriminate.

Why not expose the good ole boys and prosecute them or get them out of office.

It seems like the very same commission, which awards the "corrupt" contracts makes themselves look good by passing a bogus resolution.

Do not punish the taxpayer and make us pay more.

If minority businesses have the best product, most talented people and can deliver the best product at the cheapest price then they should earn it. Instead they cry foul and a law\ordinance is passed to "level" the playing field.

Minorities will never be treated as equals or gain respect when they jump to the head of the line due to some government discrimination resolution.

Quit playing the victim card.

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Apr 28, 2009
 
Well, at least 75% of the work will be done right by the firms who win their contracts through proven performance and ability to do the work rather than skin color and ethnic origin. Any work out there going to be awarded to preschoolers ? We've got to be fair after all ? After all, if we don't let them have their fair percentage of contracts too,their parents might decide to sue us.
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Apr 28, 2009
 
An Ordinance would have alerted the people. This is a "policy" of the commission that has no legal weight.
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Apr 28, 2009
 
...and this will be the basis for a few lawsuits, which Osceola will lose because it is unlawful to discriminate, and will cost the taxpayers even more money. And something tells me that each of these politicians knows someone, or has family member, that will, surprisingly, be on the list of approved minorities.

If minorities are so equal why do they need special treatment?
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Apr 28, 2009
 
There still is a good ole boy network in Osceola County. Take a look at how they're awarding major road contruction contracts. Their process is costing taxpayers more money in the current economic times. They could get the work done cheaper and faster if they used standard FDOT contracting methods. No one asks those questions to the commissioners since hardly anyone knows or understands the current process.
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Apr 28, 2009
 
roaddog wrote:
There still is a good ole boy network in Osceola County. Take a look at how they're awarding major road contruction contracts. Their process is costing taxpayers more money in the current economic times. They could get the work done cheaper and faster if they used standard FDOT contracting methods. No one asks those questions to the commissioners since hardly anyone knows or understands the current process.
Three new county commissioners and silence.
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Get A Clue wrote:
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In essence, you are telling us that the majority of non-minority businesses applying for the same work are corrupt, on the take and discriminate.
Why not expose the good ole boys and prosecute them or get them out of office.
It seems like the very same commission, which awards the "corrupt" contracts makes themselves look good by passing a bogus resolution.
Do not punish the taxpayer and make us pay more.
If minority businesses have the best product, most talented people and can deliver the best product at the cheapest price then they should earn it. Instead they cry foul and a law\ordinance is passed to "level" the playing field.
Minorities will never be treated as equals or gain respect when they jump to the head of the line due to some government discrimination resolution.
Quit playing the victim card.
The victim card was probably played in the courtroom or in Arbitration. It's a very legitimate approach. And, yes, you're very clever to see that the end result will impact on you. The other side probably opted for confidentiality. I don't have specifics about this case, but this is just how I've seen it played out elsewhere.

What I object to is this characterization that minorities can't do a better job than anglo-owned companies. The reality is much different once you look closely at the projects, and the factors behind the work.

If you were clever enough to figure out that a group of connected individuals could be doing this for self-preservation, you are also clever enough to figure out that they probably have the political might to hide their mistakes to keep you thinking they're doing a great job.
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Apr 28, 2009
 
The Supreme Court has said that ALL racial and ethnic classifications are presumptively invalid, and that includes "goals" as well as quotas. Besides, why shouldn't the goal be to publicize contracting opportunities far and wide, welcome all bidders and make sure that they are treated fairly, but then to award the contract to the lowest bidder? If the goal is anything else, then the thumb is being put on the scale, and such discrimination is unfair, divisive, a waste of the taxpayers' money, and illegal. See comments we recently submitted to the Colorado DOT in this context (and note that Miami officials were recently held personally liable for discrimination under a similar scheme): http://www.ceousa.org/content/view/655/86/
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Apr 29, 2009
 
What happens in a couple of years when the majority is the minority. Will they be favored. It has already happened in the City of Kissimmee. You know that "All American City" yea right.
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Apr 29, 2009
 
Roger Clegg Ctr4EquOpp wrote:
The Supreme Court has said that ALL racial and ethnic classifications are presumptively invalid, and that includes "goals" as well as quotas. Besides, why shouldn't the goal be to publicize contracting opportunities far and wide, welcome all bidders and make sure that they are treated fairly, but then to award the contract to the lowest bidder? If the goal is anything else, then the thumb is being put on the scale, and such discrimination is unfair, divisive, a waste of the taxpayers' money, and illegal. See comments we recently submitted to the Colorado DOT in this context (and note that Miami officials were recently held personally liable for discrimination under a similar scheme): http://www.ceousa.org/content/view/655/86/
Yet, lawsuits are still possible under Title 8. If there is evidence of discrimination, then remedies will get applied. It's possible that in Osceola, such patterns existed. I wouldn't be surprised because, in the late 90s, there was a "good ole boy's" club who were not too quiet about their networks. At the time, they were getting the contracts to build charter schools. At least one lawyer who represented them, was known to have connections in Tallahassee.

Now, maybe you don't know everything there is to know about why those Commissioners decided to get proactive with the policy? Maybe they anticipated that their legal standing is not strong? But go ahead and push the old buttons. Sooner or later, someone will figure out that confidentiality agreements, don't work, and we'll finally get the real stories printed in the paper.
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Apr 29, 2009
 
George wrote:
What happens in a couple of years when the majority is the minority. Will they be favored. It has already happened in the City of Kissimmee. You know that "All American City" yea right.
The day that happens, you'll be in a good position to use all the precedent from the cases that now support minorities.
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Apr 29, 2009
 
Gracias amigos, I minority from Mexico. I work hard with my compadres who stand outside Home Depot looking for work. We can do roofing, painting and drywall. Give us chance.
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Apr 29, 2009
 
An Osceola county official has clarified the policy will only be used in the funding from the Federal Stimulus funds. Those with the Gold get to make the rules if you want some of it.
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May 7, 2009
 
so... you wonder why racism prospers,,, it's sure to get worse
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May 8, 2009
 
kizzy wrote:
so... you wonder why racism prospers,,, it's sure to get worse
Especially if you don't have the acute eye to see where everything is originating from. I hate to break it to you, but all these remedies are occurring because there is a deep-seated injustice going on and it's not minorities who are perpetuating is. The ones who are, are getting too much media protection. If you WERE to see it, you wouldn't be so eager to be part of this vicious cycle that blames minorities for every ill under the sun.
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May 8, 2009
 
Procurator wrote:
An Osceola county official has clarified the policy will only be used in the funding from the Federal Stimulus funds. Those with the Gold get to make the rules if you want some of it.
How insutling that the Osceola county official who made that preposterous remark thinks we citizens are too stupid to know that whether it's Fed Stimulus or state or county money, it makes no difference since it's OUR MONEY.
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May 8, 2009
 
Conservative Republican wrote:
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How insutling that the Osceola county official who made that preposterous remark thinks we citizens are too stupid to know that whether it's Fed Stimulus or state or county money, it makes no difference since it's OUR MONEY.
If it's good enough for the connected good ole boys, it's good enough for minorities. The only difference is that with one, the information is readily available with a public records request.

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