Lake County initiative aims to help homeless break the cycle an...

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A new facility for homeless men has opened in south Lake County with an ambitious plan to do more than just provide a warm bed and food for its clients.
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Is there a web site for this organization? How can you "direct" someone to this facility?

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Great question, something that wasn't included in the story. We have a call in already and left a message to answer that question. As sson as we get a reply we will post it here.
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Fact, I tried to employ a couple of young homeless men for a weekend to help with my spring cleanup.

They were no way interested in working, they just wanted money for nothing, which leads me to believe that if they wanted to work they would not be homeless.
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Good Luck. I have worked with the homeless in a few situations/jobs. There are different types of homeless people just like all other people.
1. People who are drunks, uneducated, and came from a set of parents that through example taught them that. Some want change, some don't! Some who do,, Do till they see how hard it is then become some don't.
2. The big group. The ones that came from good family's. They know the rules and good and bad and are hooked on drugs,, or was hooked on drugs. They will never make it unless they are in a monitored situation for the rest of their life. A military set up . Then you have the ones that know exactly whats going on and need to be someone else. You can't fix that with out lableing these people with non removable tracking. Any thing else is just a way to employ otherwise unemployable people to work at these places. That is the people that will be dealing with the homeless on a day to day schedule. There is a way. It just requires things that would freak the normal person out.

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Old Timer wrote:
Is there a web site for this organization? How can you "direct" someone to this facility?
The person to contact is Steve Smith at the following email: stevesmith@newbeginningslake.o rg When I talked with Mr. Smith, he indicated that they are in the process of developing a website and in the mean time you can email him for additional details or call him. Thanks for your interest.
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I have been taking food, blankets and hygiene needs to a group of homeless living in the woods. I don't know their stories of why or how they became homeless and I don't really care. The point is this.....I hurt for anyone who is living without shelter from the cold and rain. Digging through dumpsters for old food, and going hungry. Two of the men were beaten half to death by a group of 8 young thugs and left to die. This is America! How can they build shelters and supply food and care for stray animals, but have nothing that I can find in Lake county Fl. for human beings?
I don't have much to offer anyone, but I believe it is the obligation of everyone to give whatever they can to help those who are truly needy, hungry, homeless.
There are more and more famlies being left homeless by losing their jobs, homes and everything they had.
I want to help them all, but don't know how I can. As one person, I can only help a few that I know about.
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iougod wrote: "I don't know their stories of why or how they became homeless and I don't really care. The point is this.....I hurt for anyone who is living without shelter from the cold and rain."

Your problem is that you refuse to face reality. Try and confront the world as an adult, try and understand your own psychology, and that of others. You will be better off for it.

You "hurt" because you do not understand the real world, and you feel guilty over something that is not your fault. Yours is a common psychopathology, but do not despair, for today is your lucky day. I'm going to give you some quick therapy--and it's for free. Now, sit down and listen closely:

People living in the woods do so primarily for a couple of reasons. First, they do not want to work, and know they can count on folks like you to take care of them. If they were interested in bettering themselves, they would.

Now, you most likely think you are doing these people a favor, and you probably believe you are actually helping them. But you are quite mistaken, In fine, you are just subsidizing their regressive vagrant life style. You may even think they appreciate your charity, but inside they only have contempt for you. How could they not? They are playing you, and using you. What is worse is that you are deluding yourself. One word of caution: if you are a woman, and if you persist with this ill advised behavior, be careful you do not go into the woods alone. You may end up as the subject of a news article, yourself.

Also, many are alcoholics who refuse to take responsibility for their actions. They will, however, take what you give them and, if it is enough, buy drink. So, any cash you offer up is likely used to sustain an addiction. In effect, you are an accessory in enabling.

In spite of what others may tell you, or what you might think, you will not change their ways. As difficult as it is for you to believe, they are content with their lot in life, more or less.

On the other hand, you have an opportunity to change your life, and your understanding of human nature. But first you must put away your mistaken guilt. It does not become you, and makes you easy prey for humans who, frankly, do not deserve your kindness. I know my words seem harsh, but after years of experience and reflection I am convinced of the truth of what I write.

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Feb 10, 2009
 
I live in Boston, my grown son recently became homeless. He is living in the woods, walking to places looking for a job every day but has had no luck. Where is there a homeless shelter in the Clermont area? He called me collect and says there are no shelters. Can anyone help me?
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Michael wrote:
iougod wrote: "I don't know their stories of why or how they became homeless and I don't really care. The point is this.....I hurt for anyone who is living without shelter from the cold and rain."
Your problem is that you refuse to face reality. Try and confront the world as an adult, try and understand your own psychology, and that of others. You will be better off for it.
You "hurt" because you do not understand the real world, and you feel guilty over something that is not your fault. Yours is a common psychopathology, but do not despair, for today is your lucky day. I'm going to give you some quick therapy--and it's for free. Now, sit down and listen closely:
People living in the woods do so primarily for a couple of reasons. First, they do not want to work, and know they can count on folks like you to take care of them. If they were interested in bettering themselves, they would.
Now, you most likely think you are doing these people a favor, and you probably believe you are actually helping them. But you are quite mistaken, In fine, you are just subsidizing their regressive vagrant life style. You may even think they appreciate your charity, but inside they only have contempt for you. How could they not? They are playing you, and using you. What is worse is that you are deluding yourself. One word of caution: if you are a woman, and if you persist with this ill advised behavior, be careful you do not go into the woods alone. You may end up as the subject of a news article, yourself.
Also, many are alcoholics who refuse to take responsibility for their actions. They will, however, take what you give them and, if it is enough, buy drink. So, any cash you offer up is likely used to sustain an addiction. In effect, you are an accessory in enabling.
In spite of what others may tell you, or what you might think, you will not change their ways. As difficult as it is for you to believe, they are content with their lot in life, more or less.
On the other hand, you have an opportunity to change your life, and your understanding of human nature. But first you must put away your mistaken guilt. It does not become you, and makes you easy prey for humans who, frankly, do not deserve your kindness. I know my words seem harsh, but after years of experience and reflection I am convinced of the truth of what I write.
It is a shame that some people think that they are above being out of work for any reason. Thinking that those who are in such a situation are merely faking it, lazy, etc., usually is a direct result of that person's own lack of emotional maturity, so the response such as that above isn't surprising, because of their own fear and insecurity of this happening to them. Most of us who are "normal", empathize with those less fortunate and are able to reconcile our logical and emotional responses to show a maturity and do something within our personal ability to help them. Thank you for "sharing" your feelings. You can continue your growth by helping others.
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Earth2Imbeciles lecturing on maturity, and in a self reported show of normality, writes: "Most of us who are "normal", empathize with those less fortunate..."

Who knows whether "most" are "empathetic" with vagrants, or something else? On the other hand, if you belong to the group of "most," then I guess you should know, so I'll take your word. At the same time why do I get the feeling that you are hindered by a kind of psychological smugness? A smugness that may make you "feel" morally superior to others at times (for instance, when you are lecturing others on moral sensibility), but at other times less firmly grounded when confronted with human depravity in the form of "the homeless?"

Your way of thinking does nothing to "help" the so-called homeless, and it certainly doesn't clarify their plight (if it really is a plight). You see, you blur important distinctions. For instance, the vagrants living around Eola Park are not recently productive citizens that just happened to lose their jobs due to a bad economy. They are, likewise, not slumming around the park because their houses just burnt down. In fine, they are not "down on their luck."

You, and others (like the smug liberals I sometimes see feeding these semi-feral humans) fail to understand that these scumbag hobos live in the park (that's right, they LIVE there--they are not homeless, at all). And, more incredibly, they actually enjoy their lifestyle. It IS what they do. Vagrancy and panhandling are their occupation.

When they want to take a bath (some of them have a vestigial bit of civilized humanity left in them) they often use the bathroom sink at Panera, or Publix.

If they want to relieve themselves they hide in the bushes when they think no one is looking, or not.

When they want dinner they go to Publix and buy a loaf of Wonder Bread and a six of beer with money "empathetic" people give them.

So you can see, these people are quite at home, and not unsatisfied with their lot in life. Often I walk the environs with my wife. When they ask me for money I tell them to get a job. Sometimes they laugh at me. Sometimes they curse at me. They never look for a job, though.

And although they are satisfied with their life, why do I get the idea it is you who are unsatisfied with your life? You obviously feel guilty. What is the source of your guilt? I would tell you, but you wouldn't believe me. Better for you to do introspection.

On an intellectual level, you think that it is impossible anyone could want to live the vagrant lifestyle. Yet, you are mistaken. Perhaps if you were less concerned with what "most" people think and do, you would come to some conclusions based on real experience. You should spend some time among these human-like creatures. I live in the Eola area, and after a long time observing I believe I understand them well. I see through them, and I do not romanticize their regressive behavior.
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Michael wrote:
Earth2Imbeciles lecturing on maturity, and in a self reported show of normality, writes: "Most of us who are "normal", empathize with those less fortunate..."
Who knows whether "most" are "empathetic" with vagrants, or something else? On the other hand, if you belong to the group of "most," then I guess you should know, so I'll take your word. At the same time why do I get the feeling that you are hindered by a kind of psychological smugness? A smugness that may make you "feel" morally superior to others at times (for instance, when you are lecturing others on moral sensibility), but at other times less firmly grounded when confronted with human depravity in the form of "the homeless?"
Your way of thinking does nothing to "help" the so-called homeless, and it certainly doesn't clarify their plight (if it really is a plight). You see, you blur important distinctions. For instance, the vagrants living around Eola Park are not recently productive citizens that just happened to lose their jobs due to a bad economy. They are, likewise, not slumming around the park because their houses just burnt down. In fine, they are not "down on their luck."
You, and others (like the smug liberals I sometimes see feeding these semi-feral humans) fail to understand that these scumbag hobos live in the park (that's right, they LIVE there--they are not homeless, at all). And, more incredibly, they actually enjoy their lifestyle. It IS what they do. Vagrancy and panhandling are their occupation.
When they want to take a bath (some of them have a vestigial bit of civilized humanity left in them) they often use the bathroom sink at Panera, or Publix.
If they want to relieve themselves they hide in the bushes when they think no one is looking, or not.
When they want dinner they go to Publix and buy a loaf of Wonder Bread and a six of beer with money "empathetic" people give them.
So you can see, these people are quite at home, and not unsatisfied with their lot in life. Often I walk the environs with my wife. When they ask me for money I tell them to get a job. Sometimes they laugh at me. Sometimes they curse at me. They never look for a job, though.
And although they are satisfied with their life, why do I get the idea it is you who are unsatisfied with your life? You obviously feel guilty. What is the source of your guilt? I would tell you, but you wouldn't believe me. Better for you to do introspection.
On an intellectual level, you think that it is impossible anyone could want to live the vagrant lifestyle. Yet, you are mistaken. Perhaps if you were less concerned with what "most" people think and do, you would come to some conclusions based on real experience. You should spend some time among these human-like creatures. I live in the Eola area, and after a long time observing I believe I understand them well. I see through them, and I do not romanticize their regressive behavior.
I love it when the truth strikes a chord in someone and hits them so dramatically that they have to justify their "experience" with their feelings. Agreeing that you are not 'normal' is a step in the right direction in the healing process. I do hope your therapy continues to be helpful!
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May 31, 2009
 
The concern of the welfare of those who are homeless is called being human. When michael wrote that you and the (smug liberals)feed these people. Well I am in no way a liberal, I am very conservative. With that comes responsibility. To forever improve the lives of myself and that of others. Lake Co. wastes so much money to the point that those with the least voice go unnoticed, untreated. It is easy for those of us with jobs and home to ignore the disenfranchised or ignorantly make claim that they are just lazy. OR we can be moral and try to change the way we care for our fellow Americans. Possible michael we can step beyond our own egos and promote the health of all beings.
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You dont speak 4 me wrote:
The concern of the welfare of those who are homeless is called being human. When michael wrote that you and the (smug liberals)feed these people. Well I am in no way a liberal, I am very conservative. With that comes responsibility. To forever improve the lives of myself and that of others. Lake Co. wastes so much money to the point that those with the least voice go unnoticed, untreated. It is easy for those of us with jobs and home to ignore the disenfranchised or ignorantly make claim that they are just lazy. OR we can be moral and try to change the way we care for our fellow Americans. Possible michael we can step beyond our own egos and promote the health of all beings.
What you writes sounds good in a superficial way, but lacks substance. One must understand the problem before one can act. The "homeless" are not one problem, but are, rather a mixed bag.

Some are life long alcoholics and probably now show the effects of a chronic brain syndrome. What can be done for them? Short of locking them up in order to keep them away from drink, they are hopeless.

Some are psychotic (not the majority, as far as I have observed) and would be safer institutionalized--but no one is for that, these days, as it "violates" their "rights."

Many are quite healthy and could work, but are simply not inclined. How to "help" them? The question for the latter, is: why should anyone have to help someone who just doesn't want to be productive?

The problem with many "homeless advocates" is that they really have no good understanding of the people they are trying to help. They see them as victims, and not as responsible actors. They also often have a political motive, but that is another story altogether. Sometimes the best way to "help" an errant child is with "tough love." It is the same with many vagrants, I would imagine. As long as these folks can get by on the welfare of others, they will not change.
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May 31, 2009
 
I agree that if a healthy person chooses not to seek employment; that we should not waste our limited resources on them. I do believe that many (one time hopeless alcoholic/addict) are today very productive in their recovery. I also personally know of people diagnosed with mental/personality disorders having wonderful changes with the aide of medical/psychiatric professionals prescribing various medications that balance their neuro-transmitter chemicals. Maybe evaluations need to be conducted as part of the welfare application. This would certainly offend American civil liberties union. Of course their goal is not what is Right or Just, but what is the most shocking form of PC. At any rate, how do we determine WHO to help and how. Although I am Christian, I would like to end with a quote from Buddha "“Teach this triple truth to all: A generous heart, kind speech, and a life of service and compassion are the things which renew humanity.”
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You dont speak 4 me wrote:
... At any rate, how do we determine WHO to help and how. Although I am Christian, I would like to end with a quote from Buddha "“Teach this triple truth to all: A generous heart, kind speech, and a life of service and compassion are the things which renew humanity.”
1) Determining who to help cannot be the province of government, inasmuch as government does not (ostensibly) discriminate. It has to be an individual effort, or the effort of individuals in groups. However, the groups/individuals should act from a position of knowledge, and not naiveté.

Interesting you cite Gautama. He was "homeless," in a real sense. But he was a very hard working man. He was not a low life vagrant, in any sense of the word.
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The person to contact is Steve Smith at the following email: stevesmith@newbeginningslake.o rg When I talked with Mr. Smith, he indicated that they are in the process of developing a website and in the mean time you can email him for additional details or call him. Thanks for your interest.
Good luck to your son.
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Meanwhile before Mr. Smith gets his website up and running you can contact Commissioner Jimmy (Wimpy) Conner. Wimpy has made a new deal with all Lake County McDonalds franchises and he will connect people in need directly to the source. You can contact wimpy either through his website at www.connerreport.com or directly at his personal email address at: connerjc@aol.com
He has the solution to everthing in Lake county.
Please feel free to contact him. He is constantly striving to serve the people of Lake County and save their tax dollars. Go Wimpy Go.
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Michael wrote:
iougod wrote: "I don't know their stories of why or how they became homeless and I don't really care. The point is this.....I hurt for anyone who is living without shelter from the cold and rain."
Your problem is that you refuse to face reality. Try and confront the world as an adult, try and understand your own psychology, and that of others. You will be better off for it.
You "hurt" because you do not understand the real world, and you feel guilty over something that is not your fault. Yours is a common psychopathology, but do not despair, for today is your lucky day. I'm going to give you some quick therapy--and it's for free. Now, sit down and listen closely:
People living in the woods do so primarily for a couple of reasons. First, they do not want to work, and know they can count on folks like you to take care of them. If they were interested in bettering themselves, they would.
Now, you most likely think you are doing these people a favor, and you probably believe you are actually helping them. But you are quite mistaken, In fine, you are just subsidizing their regressive vagrant life style. You may even think they appreciate your charity, but inside they only have contempt for you. How could they not? They are playing you, and using you. What is worse is that you are deluding yourself. One word of caution: if you are a woman, and if you persist with this ill advised behavior, be careful you do not go into the woods alone. You may end up as the subject of a news article, yourself.
Also, many are alcoholics who refuse to take responsibility for their actions. They will, however, take what you give them and, if it is enough, buy drink. So, any cash you offer up is likely used to sustain an addiction. In effect, you are an accessory in enabling.
In spite of what others may tell you, or what you might think, you will not change their ways. As difficult as it is for you to believe, they are content with their lot in life, more or less.
On the other hand, you have an opportunity to change your life, and your understanding of human nature. But first you must put away your mistaken guilt. It does not become you, and makes you easy prey for humans who, frankly, do not deserve your kindness. I know my words seem harsh, but after years of experience and reflection I am convinced of the truth of what I write.
Caring for fellow human beings is not guilt. It is the way God created us. It does not matter why these people are homeless. There are a handful that chose that lifestyle, but the majority did not. Maybe someone extending a caring hand might bring them back. Talking about them the way you did wouldn't encourage anyone to change, just have hatred for you. Maybe you should try being kind, it might change your mistaken guilt!
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i have just become a part time resident in a so called bad part of town. i spent approximately a month and a half cleaning up and working on the place. there is a lot of activity going on in the area which probably consist of drugs. there was a bed where a homeless person slept, in my back yard. i made friends with some of the residents who are great and God fearing people. one of them came to my house one night and asked me to take her daughter to a friend's house to get some medicine. the young lady's face was swollen so badly from a couple of bad teeth and it was obvious that she needed immediate medical attention. i took her to the hospital where she stayed for several days. the next day, the young lady's mother asked me to take her to see her daughter and also take some things to her. when i finished what i was doing,i drover in front of her house which was two house down from me. she, her mother and two childern were in the front yard. i asked her if she was ready to go to the hospital and she said that she had to pack a bag. she and one of her children went into the house. the grandmother went to do something at the side of the house. i sat in the car for approximately a minute when an officer passed on the road in front of me. he turned around, came back and parked behind me. the officer walked up to the car and asked me, in a very aggressive voice, what i was doing? i told him that i was waiting to take the lady to the hospital to see her daughter and that i lived in the yellow house. he asked, in a very disrespectful voice,when are you going to take the boards off of your windows? i told him that i wasn't because i was leaving the next day. i told him of the activity in the area and his comment was that he knew it and he was the most hated officer or words to that affect. the officer didn't seem to like me bring it to his attention. he continued to harrass me for a little longer and finally told the little girl to go in and get her mother. the mother came out and said words to the affect, he's ok. he's taking me to the hospital. we got into the car and she was showing me how to get to the hospital by the back way. we hadn't driven very far when a police car got behind a car that was following me. it wasn't long until another police car got behind him. i felt that i had been setup for a ticket. we got to the hospital, i turned my signal light on and pulled into the turning lane. the car behind me did the same. the officer turned his lights on and what i felt had come true. he bypassed the car behind me, came up to mine and told me that i had cut off the person behind me. it's strange that the officer who had harrassed me was in the other police car. i have delt with some other police officers in clermont who were very professional, helpful and should be commended for their service but these two were??????? i just don't know what to say. i was never asked by the first officer for id, he didn't try to get any history at all from me. tell me clermont! what's going on here? i am 65, a retired vet of 20 years, have a masters degree, retired from the state department of correction, never been arrested and hadn't had a ticket in over 25 years. bad officers are very dangerous. they can plant evidence, beat up a detainee and charge him with assault on an officer and even have the authority to kill in a given situation. i'm not saying that these guys would do that but i'm afraid to go back to my home in clermont without having someone with me. i have a great respect for the good people that live in these types of neighborhoods. yes, i did get a ticket. for anyone who wants to help me with advice, my email address is bobbieo3@yahoo.com any advice would be appreciated. thanks and God bless clermount. it's a beautiful place.
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Michael wrote:
iougod wrote: "I don't know their stories of why or how they became homeless and I don't really care. The point is this.....I hurt for anyone who is living without shelter from the cold and rain."
Your problem is that you refuse to face reality. Try and confront the world as an adult, try and understand your own psychology, and that of others. You will be better off for it.
You "hurt" because you do not understand the real world, and you feel guilty over something that is not your fault. Yours is a common psychopathology, but do not despair, for today is your lucky day. I'm going to give you some quick therapy--and it's for free. Now, sit down and listen closely:
People living in the woods do so primarily for a couple of reasons. First, they do not want to work, and know they can count on folks like you to take care of them. If they were interested in bettering themselves, they would.
Now, you most likely think you are doing these people a favor, and you probably believe you are actually helping them. But you are quite mistaken, In fine, you are just subsidizing their regressive vagrant life style. You may even think they appreciate your charity, but inside they only have contempt for you. How could they not? They are playing you, and using you. What is worse is that you are deluding yourself. One word of caution: if you are a woman, and if you persist with this ill advised behavior, be careful you do not go into the woods alone. You may end up as the subject of a news article, yourself.
Also, many are alcoholics who refuse to take responsibility for their actions. They will, however, take what you give them and, if it is enough, buy drink. So, any cash you offer up is likely used to sustain an addiction. In effect, you are an accessory in enabling.
In spite of what others may tell you, or what you might think, you will not change their ways. As difficult as it is for you to believe, they are content with their lot in life, more or less.
On the other hand, you have an opportunity to change your life, and your understanding of human nature. But first you must put away your mistaken guilt. It does not become you, and makes you easy prey for humans who, frankly, do not deserve your kindness. I know my words seem harsh, but after years of experience and reflection I am convinced of the truth of what I write.
Wow, I feel bad for you, that you have been convinced by your blindness. Regardless of your outlook though, I hope you know that Jesus loves you and would offer help to you, if you asked or were in need.

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