Put brakes on proposal for a Confeder...

Put brakes on proposal for a Confederate tag

There are 1487 comments on the Orlando Sentinel story from Feb 29, 2008, titled Put brakes on proposal for a Confederate tag. In it, Orlando Sentinel reports that:

We live in a state that loves causes. Just take a ride on our roadways and see for yourself.

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otownnole

Orlando, FL

#30 Feb 29, 2008
Franklin Ratliff wrote:
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The Puerto Rican flag was never flown by a secessionist army raised by rich white traitors so they could continue to force blacks to pick cotton for no pay.
So 500,000 to 2,000,000 people were rich white traitors? Exactly how rich? How many owned cotton farms were there back then? What grade did you get in your college history class?
scr

Daytona Beach, FL

#33 Feb 29, 2008
First of all, I think it is absolutely ridiculous how many different license plates are available in the state of Florida. It seems it would make the job of law enforcement harder. If someone witnesses an event on the roadway, they might have trouble identifying what state the car is from, even if they do get the plate number or a partial...seems like it would slow down finding the vehicle if it was needed. And I do see lots of decals, flags, etc. on cars from Puerto Rico, Mexico, England, the Confederate flag...everyone who wants one goes out and buys them and every special interest group seems to have one. But, to my knowledge, there are no Black Panther or Nation of Islam license plates in Florida, so I don't see how the outcry against those things equates to this. Yes, some people have a very strong and proud heritage in the Confederacy and there's nothing wrong with them wanting to celebrate that. However, lots of people (also American citizens) have strong and proud heritages from Puerto Rico, Mexico, Haiti...lots whose families have been here for many generations. But I don't think that the people who are getting most upset about this Confederacy issue would be as happy or as accepting of plates for these "heritages". And, like it or not, the Confederate flag is a divisive symbol, if not for anything other than the way some people who fly it act towards the aforementioned groups.
HockeyMan

United States

#34 Feb 29, 2008
Let's not forget we all have heritage from other countries. Why not have flags for Italy, Ireland, Germany, Poland, etc... Let's also not forget the Confederate nation decided to go to war with the United States of America. Looking beyond the obvious racial issues involved, this idea for this plate promotes an anti-American point of view. I do not understand why any slice of the American people would want to celebrate a "heritage" that wanted nothing to do with America and killed many Americans in that process. Some heritages do not need to be celebrated.
Wolffie

Ocala, FL

#35 Feb 29, 2008
Specialty plates are so unnecessary and make it all the more difficult to tell in what state a vehicle is registered. The DMV should not be involved in raising funds for any special interest group.
FloridaProf

Oviedo, FL

#38 Feb 29, 2008
Do we really, really need this license plate? I think not.

It seems to me that this is just another attempt on the part of government to divide us, to keep us from focusing on what's important - health care, education, infrastructure, and the housing crisis.

Too, if this license plate is passed, people will get shot in road-rage incidents related to this plate. A child could get shot.

Finally, this is not going to make Florida attractive to the kinds of investors we want - medical and technical. Couple this with our resistance to teaching evolution and we are just another southern backwater, regardless of the strength of our universities.
Franklin Ratliff

Denver, CO

#39 Feb 29, 2008
otownnole wrote:
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So 500,000 to 2,000,000 people were rich white traitors? Exactly how rich? How many owned cotton farms were there back then? What grade did you get in your college history class?
People who owned estates like Arlington weren't getting the money from working down at the feed store. Without the support of the plantation owners, the war never would have happened.
Franklin Ratliff

Denver, CO

#40 Feb 29, 2008
otownnole wrote:
Is this the same guy who asked me to "Thank an immigrant for a job Americans won't do"?
I will choose not to "Thank any illegal" and he can choose not to buy this license plate.
95% of the slaves were owned by less than 5% of the population. Has anyone here every taken a college level history class?
So we're safe if we say only 5% of the south can be blamed for the Civil War?

Although in the case of states such as South Carolina that would mean 5% of the population owned over 50% of the population.
Franklin Ratliff

Denver, CO

#41 Feb 29, 2008
Or by 5% did you mean just 5% of the white people?
Larry

Shreveport, LA

#42 Feb 29, 2008
Dave wrote:
For those of you who are sure that the Confederacy was all about States Rights, please read the following quote from the VP of the Confederacy, Alex Stephens - who would know a whole lot more about it than anyone alive today.(And certainly more than racist bloggers). "Our new government... rests upon a great truth, that the negro is not equal to the white man: that - slavery - subornation to the superior race - is his natural and normal condition."
When Vice President Stephens wrote that he was correct. The Negro of the 1860's was not equal to the white man. He was a slave and brought to America as a slave. The same as a mule or horse. Many professionals at the time (and some still today) believed it was true and slavery wasn't what the civil war was about. It was states rights.
How many beliefs have changed over time? Most I believe. In fact, many known facts has changed within the last 150 years.
We as a people need to change and acknowledge the past but not to repeat it. Slavery was in effect in the United States back then. In fact there is still slavery in the world today and because the way some nations treat their people, that's what makes America great. Not perfect but great. I have traveled to many counties while serving in the military (27 countries) and have seen first hand how some people are treated, or should I say mis-treated. Be glad you are not a female living in China, India or in a Muslem country. They say Islium is Peace. What a bunch of PR they want you to believe. They have fewer rights than many blacks did during the mid 1800's.
Thom

United States

#43 Feb 29, 2008
The difference between people putting flags on their cars from Puerto Rico, Columbia, Ireland, Germany or whatever is that it is NOT state sanctioned. If you want to put a Confederate Battle Flag (not a Confederate flag, that would be different than the stars and bars) no one is saying you can't. If you really want to celebrate your southern heritage with a confederate flag, it would be wise to find out what you are talking about. The stars and bars was the battle flag. Why are you not advocating for the Confederate flag, not the confederate battle flag?
otownnole

Orlando, FL

#44 Feb 29, 2008
Franklin Ratliff wrote:
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So we're safe if we say only 5% of the south can be blamed for the Civil War?
Although in the case of states such as South Carolina that would mean 5% of the population owned over 50% of the population.
But calling every white person from that era a rich white slave owners would be akin to saying that since a Black man killed someone in Pine Hills, then all black men are murders.
KLC

Orlando, FL

#45 Feb 29, 2008
Oh my god. Look at the racists coming out of the woodwork. I'm not going to bother explaining the difference between an individual promoting his own agenda on his car versus a state sanctioned white-man-only, "heritage," with the money going to further the agenda of a white-man-only, "heritage," club. That's right, when you see blacks proudly sporting a rebel flag, then you can call it, "Southern heritage."
Nor will I delve into 2 wrongs don't make a right. Ya'll should have learned that in grade school.
Your excuses are thin veneers to cover your racism. People say that the plates will be a good thing. We'll be able to see the racists coming as they label themselves. I think the racists already label themselves in their made-in-Taiwan rebel flag hats and bikinis and t-shirts. We shouldn't shame our state further with more ignorance (hanging chads, opposing evolution). Let them continue to shame themselves without our state getting involved. The rest of us do not to bear the burden of their ignorance and be mocked once again by the rest of the civilized world.
otownnole

Orlando, FL

#46 Feb 29, 2008
Franklin Ratliff wrote:
Or by 5% did you mean just 5% of the white people?
5% of the slave owners owned 95% percent of the slaves.

A very few owned almost all.

But you should know this right? You apparently are an expert on all of this from you previous posts.
Roberto

Shreveport, LA

#47 Feb 29, 2008
Franklin Ratliff wrote:
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The Puerto Rican flag was never flown by a secessionist army raised by rich white traitors so they could continue to force blacks to pick cotton for no pay.
Mr. Ratliff.....How much cotton have you picked for some rich land owner. None I bet. Maybe you believe in getting rich the way several minorities people do in Georgia, by getting free gov't handouts and sueing any and everyone who has any money.
I'm so glad you are in Georgia and not Florida because we have enough biggoted SOB's here already. Now go and pound sand in your own state and stop complaining about Florida's politics you POS.
brock paperscissors

Orlando, FL

#48 Feb 29, 2008
Rebel flag license plate? I'm all for it. Free speech is free speech - can't make it free for the ones you agree with and take it away from those you don't.

Besides, the rebel plate will help identify morons on the road a little easier... like those with the "Bush" stickers, and those with the spinning wheels, and those with the "PETA" stickers, and those with the insanely loud bass rattling the neighborhood, and those with the "Calvin Peeing on Something" stickers...
Rober E Lee

Shreveport, LA

#49 Feb 29, 2008
Auuu, Slavery, those were the good ole days. Franklin, bet your grand daddy slaved for my grandpa
Ridiculous

Ocklawaha, FL

#51 Feb 29, 2008
You could solve this argument without even bringing up slavery or racism. The fact is that these specialty tags are supposed to raise money for a cause. What cause are these funds supporting?

Also, they need to put a cap on the number of specialty plate designs allowed -- it's getting too hard for law enforcement to recognize Florida tags! Lastly, get rid of tags who have less than a certain amount of subscribers. They tried that a year or two ago, and then they backed down. Like if you have less than 1,000 people buying your tag each year, then nix it. Too many of them are stupid and frivolous.
Mike Honcho

Maitland, FL

#52 Feb 29, 2008
I'm really torn by all this. George really sold me on the John Lennon plate. I wonder if he is getting a commission? I think I'll get a John Lennon plate for the front and a Confederate plate for the back.
Graydon

Winter Springs, FL

#53 Feb 29, 2008
Blatantly Offensive? What's blatantly offensive is to compare any flag flown over this country to a Nazi swastika, or to label all Southerners as racists. As so many others have stated, if whites so much as mention "white", we're considered racists. But you accept BET, NAACP, Black Chambers of Commerce, Black History Month and every other group or event that promotes blacks, and Hispanics. So far, 85% of your respondents favor the Confederate Flag license plate. Your article has prompted me to contact Dan Brown and see what I can do to ensure it gets approved.
WTH

Ormond Beach, FL

#54 Feb 29, 2008
Good article Mr. Diaz.:-)

We should have no room in our UNITED States for this.

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