How bad is it? Orange schools in $240...

How bad is it? Orange schools in $240 million hole

There are 301 comments on the Orlando Sentinel story from Mar 18, 2009, titled How bad is it? Orange schools in $240 million hole. In it, Orlando Sentinel reports that:

Laura Catanese , Donna Harper and Carolyn Patterson, all from Pensacola, take part in a Florida Education Association rally in Tallahassee.

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Defining solution

Apopka, FL

#1 Mar 19, 2009
A 23% cut over two years is not a solution, it is dereliction of duty in Tallahassee. It is time for them all to serve detention.

Tallahassee has been playing games for a long time. They require bus transportation for students that travel more than two miles but they pay for less than half of it. That's an underfunded mandate that steal dollars that could go to educating students.

Florida already pays the least per student based on per-capita income. We are long past the time for Tallahassee to do the right thing and spens on education instead of this incessant cutting year after year.

Orange County Public Schools is already the seventh most efficient run system in the state. There is little left to cut, as has been shown each time the working group brought up a new topic. All of the cuts already considered didn't make it to $120 million yet the real cuts will probably be far worse.

Wake up, Florida. When you don't educate, you detroy the future. You pay more per inmate than you do per student. If you don't educate them then they can't get jobs and they will end up incarcerated, potentiallly for more years than they would attend school. And that would be a huge waste that would jeapordize Florida's future.
Voice of Reason

Lakeland, FL

#2 Mar 19, 2009
Dead-on post. Quit the politics and local finger pointing. Our problems have been caused by the panhandle. The imposed mandates are immense.
byte me

Debary, FL

#4 Mar 19, 2009
close them all they are a threat to america. government indoctrination centers all of them

“Vegas Baby!!!”

Since: Dec 06

Orlando, FL

#5 Mar 19, 2009
*Close all learning communities
*Cut all Assistant Principals in the District - put them back in the classroom
*Close all schools with less than 500 students
*Keep the flip intact
*5% pay cut for all instructional and non instructional employees
*10% pay cut for all administrative employees
*Cut all courtesy bussing for all magnet programs
doug diggler

Merritt Island, FL

#6 Mar 19, 2009
Hey Amendment 1 voters, how's that $200 working out for you?

I told you so.

Idiots.
Yeah

Daytona Beach, FL

#7 Mar 19, 2009
Welcome to the OC wrote:
*Close all learning communities
*Cut all Assistant Principals in the District - put them back in the classroom
*Close all schools with less than 500 students
*Keep the flip intact
*5% pay cut for all instructional and non instructional employees
*10% pay cut for all administrative employees
*Cut all courtesy bussing for all magnet programs
Still wont come close to $240 million. They will still have to end all sports, get rid of electives, goto a 4 day school week etc.... and they still probably wont get to the 240,000,000.

“Vegas Baby!!!”

Since: Dec 06

Orlando, FL

#8 Mar 19, 2009
Let me add....

No retired employees that are currently pulling money or has pulled money from the DROP program.

That includes non-instructional, teachers, school-based admin and district based admin.

Word from the ELC is that the district alread plans on cutting all retired folks, but plan on inviting Henry Boekoff back to run the books. NO WAY!!!! Cut them all!!!
Yeah

Daytona Beach, FL

#9 Mar 19, 2009
If the legislature does not step in and raise revenue by a combination of a sales tax, closing tax loopholes, and enforcing the internet tax. They will be the ones responsible for Florida's doomed education and I will make it my goal to make sure each one is voted out as soon as possible. I am writing to all of them today.
Reality_Check

Orlando, FL

#10 Mar 19, 2009
Still we have no idea how much overtime the bus drivers have been paid this year due to the money saving "time" change.

Why the cost for the switch? When my boss wants me in early, the schedule says so and I am responsible enough to read it.
Dumbfounded

Deland, FL

#11 Mar 19, 2009
People, you are the ones responsible for these problems. You vote to have low real estate taxes, tax just businesses and the out of state owners, but do not tax us.

The people of Florida have been given a free ride for a long time due to the idiotic real estate tax laws in this state. Install a income tax that would help.

Get rid of the illegals, that would help also. There are so many obvious answers to these problems but they are not addressed.
Reality_Check

Orlando, FL

#12 Mar 19, 2009
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“Vegas Baby!!!”

Since: Dec 06

Orlando, FL

#13 Mar 19, 2009
Reality_Check wrote:
Still we have no idea how much overtime the bus drivers have been paid this year due to the money saving "time" change.
Why the cost for the switch? When my boss wants me in early, the schedule says so and I am responsible enough to read it.
Does it matter how much bus drivers are making in "overtime" versus how much money the flip has saved? When the flip was done, almost 100 employees were let go. That meant OCPS did not have to pay them a wage, insurance, and retirement. The cost of OT is a lot cheaper than paying those near 100 empoloyees.

They just ran an article the other day that the flip has already saved over $3.5 million and dollars were used to factor in the savings - you can find the letter on the school zone blog.
rrlarry

Newport, KY

#14 Mar 19, 2009
Past Florida school graduates have put us in this situation, what did they learn attending school?
kbinva

Washington, DC

#15 Mar 19, 2009
I wonder which story will receive more comments: Casey Anthony's 23rd birthday OR this story about Orange County Schools facing a 240 Million Dollar deficit?

Knowing what is important to Central Floridians, the Casey Anthony story will realize MORE interest and commentary. That's really sad...
Matt

Orlando, FL

#16 Mar 19, 2009
I think Mr. Harris Rosen has some prime real estate down on I Drive that needs to be taxed. Could save our schools, wait....forgot. Him and Crotty are like best friends. TAX BREAKS!!
jay

United States

#17 Mar 19, 2009
high school football....if they was all to get together and form a football coalition the whole thing would improve....after all,look at the millions and millions spent on football at the 'U's...go Gators!! The lotto was supposed to support schools-what happened? oh...oh...go Gators,thats a motto!!
Howard

Port Orange, FL

#18 Mar 19, 2009
Nice try to blame decreasing tax revenues for this problem, isnt bad decision making and out of control spending to blame here? If our school system is using an unsustainable budget when do we admit we are using an AIG mindset to run our schools?
jdd

Kissimmee, FL

#19 Mar 19, 2009
kbinva wrote:
I wonder which story will receive more comments: Casey Anthony's 23rd birthday OR this story about Orange County Schools facing a 240 Million Dollar deficit?
Knowing what is important to Central Floridians, the Casey Anthony story will realize MORE interest and commentary. That's really sad...
I don't think people care about Casey Anthony, but education does light a fire.
Reality_Check

Orlando, FL

#20 Mar 19, 2009
Welcome to the OC wrote:
<quoted text>
Does it matter how much bus drivers are making in "overtime" versus how much money the flip has saved? When the flip was done, almost 100 employees were let go. That meant OCPS did not have to pay them a wage, insurance, and retirement. The cost of OT is a lot cheaper than paying those near 100 empoloyees.
They just ran an article the other day that the flip has already saved over $3.5 million and dollars were used to factor in the savings - you can find the letter on the school zone blog.
I could not have saved 2.5 million dollars when they did not factor in the overtime paid. THAT is the whole point.
The school board is fluffing figures.
For years, not only here, but everywhere across the States, School Boards have done this. If reporting is to be done, and a "Board" is appointed to oversee the running of an organization it should be reporting truthfully, in consideration of all the factors involved. If your bank charged a deposit fee for making a deposit in the bank and only 75% of what you deposited in your account showed up you would have a fit.
Why are the appointees not responsible for full disclosure? You are paying the salaries they collect.
Support Private Schools

Windermere, FL

#21 Mar 19, 2009
1. The article fails to mention that enrollment has dropped substantially, but current spending was based upon projected enrollment increases.

2. The district could profit by issuing vouchers of $5K for students to attend private schools, without any cuts in staff or campuses, but the NEA will oppose that.

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