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Special court rules against families who claim measles vaccine ...

There are 127 comments on the Chicago Tribune story from Feb 12, 2009, titled Special court rules against families who claim measles vaccine .... In it, Chicago Tribune reports that:

A special vaccine court ruled against parents with autistic children Thursday, saying that vaccines are not to blame for their children's neurological disorder.

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Judge Roy Bean

Edwardsburg, MI

#101 Feb 13, 2009
Wonder how much thes "judges" on this panel got paid off, if they say it's so safe all their kids should be forced to take it. Cause you know they were all paid off with a big slap on the back and job, vacation, kids get job...cheaper then fighting in court and keeps these gouls from making good to the parents, yet they will destroy more lives....I say we should hang the "judges/panel" on this corruption will not be allowed in my court....Law West of the Peco's
Tough Love

United States

#102 Feb 13, 2009
MRB wrote:
<quoted text>
USSA, I agree with most of what you say...and how you say it. However...
There certainly ARE many homeopathic/natural/"non- western" substances that DO work...they are not all snake oil.
The challenge to consumers is...how to tell the difference.
The problem is that they treat them like allopathic medicines. There is a need to take into account the emotional as well as the physical state of the patient.

This guy is an MD. Great book.

http://www.share-international.org/archives/h...

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Since: Jan 07

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#103 Feb 13, 2009
Homeopathy has no bearing in this topic to begin with. It can not prevent childhood diseases and any who state it can is not being truthful. The idea that vaccines is a huge money maker is also false and a conspiracy tactic to attempt to prove why one should then consider other options.

I also beg to differ, most times science can tell you why the drug works. I am sure this can be also true of Homeopathy however often the use of Homeopathy has resulted in deaths due to lack of the Big Over Paid Pharma's medications.
Tough Love wrote:
<quoted text>
OK, this ISN'T a rational response...or an informed one either. It's NOT the drugs that cure. In most cases, the action of the drug that brings about a healing response IS NOT KNOWN.
And homeopathy has been around for a good long time and there have been peer review studies published in Europe. Your claims regarding homeopathy sound personal and unfounded. Before making such assumptions, please read a little
http://www.healthy.net/scr/article.asp...

Level 1

Since: Jan 07

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#104 Feb 13, 2009
Well of course they had to be paid off, and force vaccines on every one since of course there's no such thing as waivers in this country.
Judge Roy Bean wrote:
Wonder how much thes "judges" on this panel got paid off, if they say it's so safe all their kids should be forced to take it. Cause you know they were all paid off with a big slap on the back and job, vacation, kids get job...cheaper then fighting in court and keeps these gouls from making good to the parents, yet they will destroy more lives....I say we should hang the "judges/panel" on this corruption will not be allowed in my court....Law West of the Peco's
Tough Love

United States

#105 Feb 13, 2009
friend wrote:
Homeopathy has no bearing in this topic to begin with. It can not prevent childhood diseases and any who state it can is not being truthful. The idea that vaccines is a huge money maker is also false and a conspiracy tactic to attempt to prove why one should then consider other options.
I also beg to differ, most times science can tell you why the drug works. I am sure this can be also true of Homeopathy however often the use of Homeopathy has resulted in deaths due to lack of the Big Over Paid Pharma's medications.
<quoted text>
Since you didn't provide a link, I will:

http://www.naturalnews.com/024114.html

While homeopathy MAY not be able to prevent childhood or other diseases (I don't make the claim either way), it could serve to alleviate toxic reactions to vaccines.

And regarding your second statement, here's a quote from this link:

http://www.indiana.edu/~engs/rbook/drug.html

"The specificity of the drug action among chemically related drugs usually depends upon the degree of fit between the drug and its receptor molecule. The exact mechanism of how this works in the case of many drugs still is not known."

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Since: Jan 07

Location hidden

#106 Feb 13, 2009
I didn't provide a link for a reason, you would and thanks for it.
The first link, a dime a dozen.

The second link, very old link from 1987 and copyright 1996- but lets not just read a portion of it, how about the whole paragraph from which you only took a piece of
http://www.indiana.edu/~engs/rbook/drug.html

"FACTORS THAT AFFECT DRUG ACTION

Many factors must be considered relative to the effect of drug action on the body. First, different drugs exert different effects on various body cells, and unless a substance is able to exert an influence on some body cell or process, no reaction to the substance will take place. Second, before a drug enters the body, three important factors will affect the response of the person to the drug, namely its dose the time it takes it to be effective, and the route of administration. Other factors, such as the individual's psychological environment, metabolism rate, excretion route, age, weight, sex, and hereditary influences, can also affect the action of any drug on the individual. The effect of a drug on the body depends upon (1) its interaction with a body cell and (2) the function of that cell in the body. In most cases, the drug must bond with the cell membrane in order for any action to take place. The point on the cell where the interaction takes place is called the receptor site. The drug-receptor site interaction has often been described as a "lock and key" relationship. The specificity of the drug action among chemically related drugs usually depends upon the degree of fit between the drug and its receptor molecule. The exact mechanism of how this works in the case of many drugs still is not known. Some drugs, however, act on the cell from the point of the receptor site in the following ways:

1. Increase activity of cell. 2. Decrease activity of cell. 3. Block activity of cell. 4. Replace missing component needed by cell. 5. Aid in transferring substance through cell membrane.

In some cases, after a drug enters the body, it must be chemically altered before it is able to exert any effect on the body cells. This can occur at the cellular receptor site or in the stomach or intestines."

That makes your statement a little more interesting.

Now, this topic is not about Homeopathy.
Tough Love

United States

#107 Feb 13, 2009
friend wrote:
I didn't provide a link for a reason, you would and thanks for it.
The first link, a dime a dozen.
The second link, very old link from 1987 and copyright 1996- but lets not just read a portion of it, how about the whole paragraph from which you only took a piece of
http://www.indiana.edu/~engs/rbook/drug.html
"FACTORS THAT AFFECT DRUG ACTION
Many factors must be considered relative to the effect of drug action on the body. First, different drugs exert different effects on various body cells, and unless a substance is able to exert an influence on some body cell or process, no reaction to the substance will take place. Second, before a drug enters the body, three important factors will affect the response of the person to the drug, namely its dose the time it takes it to be effective, and the route of administration. Other factors, such as the individual's psychological environment, metabolism rate, excretion route, age, weight, sex, and hereditary influences, can also affect the action of any drug on the individual. The effect of a drug on the body depends upon (1) its interaction with a body cell and (2) the function of that cell in the body. In most cases, the drug must bond with the cell membrane in order for any action to take place. The point on the cell where the interaction takes place is called the receptor site. The drug-receptor site interaction has often been described as a "lock and key" relationship. The specificity of the drug action among chemically related drugs usually depends upon the degree of fit between the drug and its receptor molecule. The exact mechanism of how this works in the case of many drugs still is not known. Some drugs, however, act on the cell from the point of the receptor site in the following ways:
1. Increase activity of cell. 2. Decrease activity of cell. 3. Block activity of cell. 4. Replace missing component needed by cell. 5. Aid in transferring substance through cell membrane.
In some cases, after a drug enters the body, it must be chemically altered before it is able to exert any effect on the body cells. This can occur at the cellular receptor site or in the stomach or intestines."
That makes your statement a little more interesting.
Now, this topic is not about Homeopathy.
Your paragraph lists a load of variables regarding how a drug might work in an individual. But, face it, it does NOT specifically state HOW. Read it again. What I'm saying is what many doctors have stated to me themselves.

And why are you trying to censor homeopathy when there is a possibility that a remedy could address an adverse reaction to a vaccine? Why is that not relevant to the topic? Just because you think so or say so?

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Since: Jan 07

Location hidden

#108 Feb 14, 2009
What do you expect from a very very old paper written?

What adverse reaction to vaccines are you talking about? Autism maybe?? Any one can do a search on the topic of Homeopathy and see deaths related to it, including a 9 month old baby.

The topic is the court rejected their compensation claim that vaccines cause autism. Tell me where Homeopathy relates at all. It doesn't and it side tracks the topic to gain more customers. If you want to talk about Homeopathy, start a new topic.
Tough Love

United States

#109 Feb 14, 2009
friend wrote:
What do you expect from a very very old paper written?
"Very very" old??? It was written in 1987, not 1887. Do you not consider anything relevant written before the turn of the 21st century? Did you provide anything that refutes this paper to date? Let's see...no.
friend wrote:
What adverse reaction to vaccines are you talking about? Autism maybe??
Fever, anaphylaxis, swelling at injection site, fibrosarcomas,...

http://www.thinktwice.com/mmr.htm
friend wrote:
Any one can do a search on the topic of Homeopathy and see deaths related to it, including a 9 month old baby.
"related to it"? How? Are you saying that there are no deaths related to the practice of allopathic medicine? If that's the case, then you are truly delusional. This is a link from 2004...let's hope it has improved. And BTW, I was almost one of those statistics...twice.

http://www.gao.gov/cghome/2004/hccrisis/img40...
friend wrote:
The topic is the court rejected their compensation claim that vaccines cause autism. Tell me where Homeopathy relates at all. It doesn't and it side tracks the topic to gain more customers. If you want to talk about Homeopathy, start a new topic.
Your fear of homeopathy is unfounded, based on ignorance and over protested. I mentioned homeopathy briefly in a comment and it was you guys that jumped all over it. I stand by my statement that I have used homeopathy to great benefit, including as a treatment for adverse reaction to vaccines (for acute conditions AND prophylactically) based on advice from licensed medical professionals.
MRB

Chicago, IL

#110 Feb 16, 2009
Tough Love wrote:
<quoted text>
Well folks, here we have a bold clinical case of what the long term effects of popping pills can produce. Obviously this patient is suffering from chronic over-production of bile that results in deranged, irrational, erratic behavior due to the pickling of the cerebral cortex.
Like I said...take no advantage of the benefits of medical science over the decades and I'll just call you one of the losers in natural selection.

Take a pill, have surgery, visit an ER...and I say you're a hypocrite.

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Since: Jan 07

Location hidden

#111 Feb 16, 2009
Even the mention of Homeopathy is off topic and a ploy to gain customers. You're trying to use this topic to your own advantage targeting parents of autistic kids. I have been in topics for many many years solely relating to autism and my child and I have seen your kind many times.

Every joe blow has an answer even when medical science does not.There should be a law against it.
Tough Love

United States

#112 Feb 18, 2009
MRB wrote:
<quoted text>
Like I said...take no advantage of the benefits of medical science over the decades and I'll just call you one of the losers in natural selection.
Take a pill, have surgery, visit an ER...and I say you're a hypocrite.
You erroneously surmise that because I utilize the homeopathic paradigm, I therefore reject allopathic medicine. I'm not sure why you come to that conclusion when in fact I never stated that. Allopathic medicine has it's own benefits AND dangers. No paradigm has ALL the answers to treatment and healing, which is why incorporating alternatives or adjuncts is helpful. I'm not a "hypocrite" if I utilize homeopathic Arnica Montana on the way to the hospital to have a broken leg set.

There are many healing techniques developed over the history of mankind that have survived the test of time. To not utilize them because they don't fit YOUR medical belief system is just plain short-sighted and unfortunate.
Tough Love

United States

#113 Feb 18, 2009
friend wrote:
Even the mention of Homeopathy is off topic and a ploy to gain customers. You're trying to use this topic to your own advantage targeting parents of autistic kids. I have been in topics for many many years solely relating to autism and my child and I have seen your kind many times.
Every joe blow has an answer even when medical science does not.There should be a law against it.
May I kindly ask what the hell you are talking about? "Customers"??? You want a law that only lets your precious opinion or belief to be uttered? You seem mighty defensive about this topic. It seems that being open minded would better serve your agenda rather than acting on denial. You might want to lose the "your kind" exclusionary rhetoric and see if there's something new to learn, especially when even you admit that "medical science" does not hold the answers.
silly rabbit

Whitehall, PA

#115 Apr 1, 2014
Another Vaccine Victim wrote:
<quoted text> crapola
This is nothing in comparison to what the Notorious Hamilton Street Gang o Thugs and the Actors in The Great Allentown Hospital Carnival/fair have in plan for the innocent indigent children that will be? Frontal lobotomy's for all to bring the insurance bond value all on the federal to cover the soul sale sector subcontracted by RePete of city counsil and his sell outs of said race represented with two heads?

Blame it on the failing infastruture and the lead line feeds of the subterainian aqua ducks of allentown pa, were gas explosions r us and it is allways UGI's fault? Just a thought but who and what entity of the soul sale sector sold said properties to victims? Nothing here just a bunch of ingnorance claiming egineers? NOT
SAM

Saint-hubert, Canada

#116 Apr 2, 2014
Jennifer B wrote:
I am an attorney, and the mother of two children ~ both vaccinated ~ one of whom has autism.
I have actually slogged through these opinions, reading over 500 pages of decision. These are well-written, well-thought out judical opinions. The parents had every opportunity to present their cases, and they failed. The evidence was overwhelmingly against them.
For those who want to cry 'foul'over this, because of a general disregard for an objective inquiry into this highly emotional topic, sit down and digest the whole opinion. Then, and only then, come back to one of these boards and explain why the judges are either wrong on the facts or the law. If you can't, then you are on the wrong side of reason.
Hanging in my office is a quote from John Adams, c. 1770. This quote was taken from his closing argument when he successfully defended the British soldiers at the center of the Boston Massacre. Got it? One of our Founding Fathers defended British soldiers who shot and killed colonialsts. Not because he was 'bought off'. But because the EVIDENCE showed that the soldiers acted lawfully in self-defense against a mob attack. Here's what Mr. Adams said:
"Facts are stubborn things, and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictums of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
I for one am glad to see the triumph of sound judicial reasoning over pseudoscience and bad pulic policy. And that it happened on Honest Abe's 200th seems perfectly fitting.
First of all no body cares about your job: an attorney

What is that more justifying your statements.

Well as a fact I have personnaly observed kids regress into world of autism days after vaccination. You might say it is a coincidence. But based on my knowledge of pharma manufacturing processes and vaccines ingredients, I have no doubt they are related.

It shouldnt be people victims defending the cause but more like CDC and other agnecies founded just for that reason to protect the kids, which they have completely failed.
Medical TRASH Today

Winnipeg, Canada

#117 Apr 2, 2014
Tough Love wrote:
JUDGE FOR SALE! JUDGE FOR SALE!
Another GREAT day for Big Pharma!
Fact: you can die from vaccinations.
Fact: giving vaccines at a young age can alter DNA
Fact: you can be born with pre-dispositions that can be exacerbated by vaccines
Well said, but the battle is hard to win when governments protect these criminals who's experimentation equals crimes against humanity. Vaccine makers have the green light to keep experimenting until they get it right. In the mean time babies are collateral damage, and autism is claiming so many.
BIG PHARMA

Winnipeg, Canada

#118 Apr 2, 2014
Jennifer B wrote:
I am an attorney, and the mother of two children ~ both vaccinated ~ one of whom has autism.
I have actually slogged through these opinions, reading over 500 pages of decision. These are well-written, well-thought out judical opinions. The parents had every opportunity to present their cases, and they failed. The evidence was overwhelmingly against them.
For those who want to cry 'foul'over this, because of a general disregard for an objective inquiry into this highly emotional topic, sit down and digest the whole opinion. Then, and only then, come back to one of these boards and explain why the judges are either wrong on the facts or the law. If you can't, then you are on the wrong side of reason.
Hanging in my office is a quote from John Adams, c. 1770. This quote was taken from his closing argument when he successfully defended the British soldiers at the center of the Boston Massacre. Got it? One of our Founding Fathers defended British soldiers who shot and killed colonialsts. Not because he was 'bought off'. But because the EVIDENCE showed that the soldiers acted lawfully in self-defense against a mob attack. Here's what Mr. Adams said:
"Facts are stubborn things, and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictums of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
I for one am glad to see the triumph of sound judicial reasoning over pseudoscience and bad pulic policy. And that it happened on Honest Abe's 200th seems perfectly fitting.
Thanks for defending our right to experiment on human beings and having free test subjects (babies) to use as lab rats. You're right about law, if you can't prove anything then our friends and protectors in government will limit who gets compensated by simply changing definitions in our favor. All these parents want is a big pay-off at our expence. We already informed the public its their genes that cause autism so why keep whining about it? So you'll have to excuse us we have obscene profits to collect and experimentation to conduct.
silly rabbit

Philadelphia, PA

#119 Apr 2, 2014
Allentown pa not only limited too the soul sale sector there new new new ReNue the valley is allentown pa frontal lobotomy's for all innocent indigent children?
WALES RULES DUDE

Winnipeg, Canada

#120 Apr 2, 2014
silly rabbit wrote:
Allentown pa not only limited too the soul sale sector there new new new ReNue the valley is allentown pa frontal lobotomy's for all innocent indigent children?
shouldn't you be posting in the friggin loon forum?
silly rabbit

Hatfield, PA

#121 Apr 3, 2014
WALES RULES DUDE wrote:
<quoted text> shouldn't you be posting in the friggin loon forum?
What the looney tunes cartoon or just the real circus playing out on the publics childrens children of America?

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