Unarmed 17-Year-Old Trayvon Martin Killed by Neighborhood Watch Captain + Sign this Petition

On Sun., Feb. 26, 17-year-old Trayvon "Trey" Martin was visiting his father at his home in The Retreat at Twin Lakes, a gated community in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando, Florida. Full Story
First Prev
of 237
Next Last
Manual LaBore

Lady Lake, FL

#1 Mar 12, 2012
I know this death upsetting but I read someplace that this kid may have a criminal record for Battery and drug possession in Dade County.

I don't why this neighborhood watch guy was out and about playing cop and approached this guy, maybe just because he was black. Let a Grand Jury decide what to do with the case.

Sounds like the guy with the gun overstepped his boundaries. Neighbor Watch folks have no authority to confront, just observe and report.

This should not be a race card issue but rather a man that used poor judgement and murdered a kid, black or white don't matter,

Judged:

17

16

15

Reply »
Report Abuse Judge it!
Manual LaBore

Lady Lake, FL

#2 Mar 12, 2012
The information said, Travoynne Rashad Martin, DOB, 3/28/91, arrested Dade Co Florida, sounds pretty close. Record or not sounds like something happened unless the kid had a weapon or something like that. I feel bad for his family, 17, never should have happened. As I said, they don't need to use the race card, everyone is on their side.

“A Doctor Goes Where Needed”

Level 6

Since: Oct 11

Location hidden

#3 Mar 12, 2012
Manual LaBore wrote:
The information said, Travoynne Rashad Martin, DOB, 3/28/91, arrested Dade Co Florida, sounds pretty close. Record or not sounds like something happened unless the kid had a weapon or something like that. I feel bad for his family, 17, never should have happened. As I said, they don't need to use the race card, everyone is on their side.

Someone born on March 28, 1991 will be turning 21 on the 28th. Not the victim of the shooting.
mitch jamerson

Lady Lake, FL

#4 Mar 12, 2012
everyone from dade county is not a drug dealer so lets kill that weak excuse.this case is very simple to solve, this shooting was thought out and planed the watchman made the 911 call not because of fear but to fake like his life was in danger for a cover up because his motive was to shoot this kid the police dept know this the sherrif dept knows this and the grand jury knows this,the watchman should be in jail charge with first degree murder.

Judged:

15

15

14

Reply »
Report Abuse Judge it!

“A Doctor Goes Where Needed”

Level 6

Since: Oct 11

Location hidden

#5 Mar 12, 2012
mitch jamerson wrote:
everyone from dade county is not a drug dealer so lets kill that weak excuse.this case is very simple to solve, this shooting was thought out and planed the watchman made the 911 call not because of fear but to fake like his life was in danger for a cover up because his motive was to shoot this kid the police dept know this the sherrif dept knows this and the grand jury knows this,the watchman should be in jail charge with first degree murder.

Can we test that crystal ball of yours? Can you give us the closing price of Microsoft and Apple stock for March 31, 2012, please?

Level 4

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#6 Mar 12, 2012
Going off-topic slightly, why is this kid's death more important than the ones that die in gang violence, black-on-black crime, and the pervasive violence in inner cities throughout the country?

This crime should be investigated and punished as justice allows, but this story is nothing more than an attempt to incite more friction between cultures.
I would like to see the same energy focused on fixing the problems within urban communities so that the perception of young black men are not so negative.

Judged:

12

11

10

Reply »
Report Abuse Judge it!

“A Doctor Goes Where Needed”

Level 6

Since: Oct 11

Location hidden

#7 Mar 12, 2012
Dr Whos Army wrote:
Going off-topic slightly, why is this kid's death more important than the ones that die in gang violence, black-on-black crime, and the pervasive violence in inner cities throughout the country?
This crime should be investigated and punished as justice allows, but this story is nothing more than an attempt to incite more friction between cultures.
I would like to see the same energy focused on fixing the problems within urban communities so that the perception of young black men are not so negative.

In most of the instances you mention above - the police are attempting to track down and prosecute the criminals. From the families perspective - they are concerned the police know who killed their son and aren't going to do anything about it.

I have no idea whether their concerns are justified or not but I do know if this happened to one of my kids - I would be very angry and I would do whatever possible to see that this guy was arrested and tried.

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#8 Mar 12, 2012
Robert L Lorth wrote:
<quoted text>
In most of the instances you mention above - the police are attempting to track down and prosecute the criminals. From the families perspective - they are concerned the police know who killed their son and aren't going to do anything about it.
I have no idea whether their concerns are justified or not but I do know if this happened to one of my kids - I would be very angry and I would do whatever possible to see that this guy was arrested and tried.
I would agree except on these points:

1. Urban mentality precludes cooperation with police. Therefore, your first point is invalid.

2. Urban mentality chooses to focus on what 'might' be a 'hate crime'.

3. Crime is crime. It should not be painted with color.

The only way we get away from the rift between races is to stop treating each other differently. That includes crime. Period. Example: A white guy kills a white guy, then the next day he kills a black guy. Should he be prosecuted differently because of race? No. He's an a-hole who should be removed from society, the same way as a black guy killing another black guy. No race- just the crime. Notice I did not say 'black guy killing a white guy'- because that would never be considered as racially motivated, right? That's the society in which we live presently, whether or not you choose to acknowledge it.

Everyone wants to throw a 'card'. Homophobic, racist, anti-semetic, anti-arab... Crime is crime. Violence is violence. Motive should be irrelevant in the context of justice.

You cannot legislate thought. We are all prejudiced to some degree. Are we all guilty, then, of a hate crime?
Sue

Dunlap, TN

#9 Mar 12, 2012
Robert L Lorth wrote:
<quoted text>
In most of the instances you mention above - the police are attempting to track down and prosecute the criminals. From the families perspective - they are concerned the police know who killed their son and aren't going to do anything about it.
I have no idea whether their concerns are justified or not but I do know if this happened to one of my kids - I would be very angry and I would do whatever possible to see that this guy was arrested and tried.
Please give them time to do the investigation and do it right. If you rush and miss something if this man is guilty then he could walk. They will want to get a good case against him. A good investigation makes a good case and less reason to have it thrown out of court on something they could miss. No child should worry about walking to the store for a bag of candy, but in this day and age if he had been white with his pants down to his knees the same thing could have happened.
Tired of Silly

Longwood, FL

#11 Mar 13, 2012
Sue wrote:
<quoted text>
Please give them time to do the investigation and do it right. If you rush and miss something if this man is guilty then he could walk. They will want to get a good case against him. A good investigation makes a good case and less reason to have it thrown out of court on something they could miss. No child should worry about walking to the store for a bag of candy, but in this day and age if he had been white with his pants down to his knees the same thing could have happened.
Has it occurred to you that a good investigation could show that the kid attacked the neighborhood watch guy and he DID fear for his life??? Has it occurred to ANYONE that the guy might be INNOCENT? Or do we just convict him automatically because the kid was black? The preliminary reports indicate that the watch captain had grass stains on the BACK of his pants, and was bleeding from the BACK of his head. That indicates to me that he was either attacked from the rear, or more likely given the grass stains, the kid had him down on the ground on his back. Doesn't sound like an innocent kid just "going to the store for candy" to me.

Judged:

16

12

11

Reply »
Report Abuse Judge it!

Level 9

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#13 Mar 13, 2012
Tired of Silly wrote:
<quoted text>
Has it occurred to you that a good investigation could show that the kid attacked the neighborhood watch guy and he DID fear for his life??? Has it occurred to ANYONE that the guy might be INNOCENT? Or do we just convict him automatically because the kid was black? The preliminary reports indicate that the watch captain had grass stains on the BACK of his pants, and was bleeding from the BACK of his head. That indicates to me that he was either attacked from the rear, or more likely given the grass stains, the kid had him down on the ground on his back. Doesn't sound like an innocent kid just "going to the store for candy" to me.
It makes me shake my head when the family and news media have to report when a person involved in a crime 'had no arrest record'. Doesn't that say something about the black community and the perception thereof?
Jim Bagg

United States

#14 Mar 13, 2012
Tired of Silly wrote:
<quoted text>
Has it occurred to you that a good investigation could show that the kid attacked the neighborhood watch guy and he DID fear for his life??? Has it occurred to ANYONE that the guy might be INNOCENT? Or do we just convict him automatically because the kid was black? The preliminary reports indicate that the watch captain had grass stains on the BACK of his pants, and was bleeding from the BACK of his head. That indicates to me that he was either attacked from the rear, or more likely given the grass stains, the kid had him down on the ground on his back. Doesn't sound like an innocent kid just "going to the store for candy" to me.
I don't see how shooting and killing someone who MAYBE pushed him to the ground and MAYBE threatened himu with a bag of Skittles is self defense, especially when the cops had already instructed him to stand down! These neighborhood watch guys are just that.. a WATCH, not law enforcement. They see things, they call them in and then they step aside. This Zimmerman guy chose not to step aside and instead to engage the young man so yes, the burden of proof is on him.
Tired of Silly

Longwood, FL

#15 Mar 13, 2012
Jim Bagg wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't see how shooting and killing someone who MAYBE pushed him to the ground and MAYBE threatened himu with a bag of Skittles is self defense, especially when the cops had already instructed him to stand down! These neighborhood watch guys are just that.. a WATCH, not law enforcement. They see things, they call them in and then they step aside. This Zimmerman guy chose not to step aside and instead to engage the young man so yes, the burden of proof is on him.
Again, the investigation is not complete. And IF the gentleman is charged with a crime, the burden of proof is on the state. Elementary school civics lessons. Presumption of innocence til proven guilty. If some 17 year old had me on the ground in a physical altercation and I had a gun.....he'd be exactly where this kid is, in the morgue!!!
Tired of Silly

Longwood, FL

#16 Mar 13, 2012
Charles R Darwin wrote:
<quoted text>
It makes me shake my head when the family and news media have to report when a person involved in a crime 'had no arrest record'. Doesn't that say something about the black community and the perception thereof?
In this case, it says that in the city of Sanford there are a whole mess of 17 year olds with LONG arrest records. Sanford is NOT a safe town. Much has been made of it happening in a gated community. I have news for y'all, we have "gated" trailer parks in FL. "Gated" does NOT mean high-income, nor does it mean safe. I know nothing about this particular gated community (Sanford is a town I have no reason or inclination to visit), but the fact that he was visiting an apartment rather than a single family home tells me that this isn't the type of community that most people think of when they think "gated community". My guess is that even if the community is a nice one, the violence that is rampant in Sanford spills into it.

“A Doctor Goes Where Needed”

Level 6

Since: Oct 11

Location hidden

#17 Mar 13, 2012
Charles R Darwin wrote:
<quoted text>
I would agree except on these points:
1. Urban mentality precludes cooperation with police. Therefore, your first point is invalid.
2. Urban mentality chooses to focus on what 'might' be a 'hate crime'.
3. Crime is crime. It should not be painted with color.

I'm not certain what you mean by 'urban mentality'. The only statement I can agree with here is number 3 but I have never said anything in opposition to that.
Jim Bagg

United States

#19 Mar 13, 2012
Tired of Silly wrote:
<quoted text>
In this case, it says that in the city of Sanford there are a whole mess of 17 year olds with LONG arrest records. Sanford is NOT a safe town. Much has been made of it happening in a gated community. I have news for y'all, we have "gated" trailer parks in FL. "Gated" does NOT mean high-income, nor does it mean safe. I know nothing about this particular gated community (Sanford is a town I have no reason or inclination to visit), but the fact that he was visiting an apartment rather than a single family home tells me that this isn't the type of community that most people think of when they think "gated community". My guess is that even if the community is a nice one, the violence that is rampant in Sanford spills into it.
My guess is that if the neighborhood watch guy had heeded the instructions of police and gone on his merry way or simply observed the individual from a distance none of this would have ever happened.
Jim Bagg

United States

#20 Mar 13, 2012
Tired of Silly wrote:
<quoted text>
Again, the investigation is not complete. And IF the gentleman is charged with a crime, the burden of proof is on the state. Elementary school civics lessons. Presumption of innocence til proven guilty. If some 17 year old had me on the ground in a physical altercation and I had a gun.....he'd be exactly where this kid is, in the morgue!!!
Oh good grief. I meant burden of proof for the purposes of this discussion not a court of law! You're always so quick to be high and mighty. What a difficult cow. And oh by the way, if some 17 year old had ME on the ground I'd be damned embarrassed. Conversely, if some private guy was waving a gun in my face I'd be fighting back (did it ever occur to you that MAYBE that's what happened?). Neighborhood watch! What the Eff is that?? Are we now supposed to surrender our rights to the "neighborhood watch"?
Tired of Silly

Longwood, FL

#21 Mar 13, 2012
Jim Bagg wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh good grief. I meant burden of proof for the purposes of this discussion not a court of law! You're always so quick to be high and mighty. What a difficult cow. And oh by the way, if some 17 year old had ME on the ground I'd be damned embarrassed. Conversely, if some private guy was waving a gun in my face I'd be fighting back (did it ever occur to you that MAYBE that's what happened?). Neighborhood watch! What the Eff is that?? Are we now supposed to surrender our rights to the "neighborhood watch"?
For the purpose of this discussion?!?! NO ONE has a burden of proof for this discussion. And do you always call people offensive names in "discussions"? Now you object to neighborhood watches??? As I've said OVER AND OVER, I'm not making judgments on what happened in this case. I'm waiting for the professionals to investigate. My opinion is just that, and is based on the facts we know so far. We know that the shooter called the cops. We know that the shooter had injuries consistent with being attacked. We have not heard what the witnesses who called to report a fight saw. We have not heard the shooter's version of what happened. We know that he was doing what the neighborhood watch is supposed to do, observing for strangers. We know this kid WAS a stranger. We don't know if he was dressed like a decent kid or like a gangbanger. We know that this neighborhood is very close to a high crime area and likely has had problems with ghetto thugs in the past. Bottom line-we don't know what happened and I refuse to crucify the guy without knowing the results of the investigation. However, some people will always assume guilt whenever there's a race issue. I can't help YOUR prejudices.
Darington Forbes

Federal Way, WA

#22 Mar 13, 2012
The Sanford Police Department prosecuted this case at curbside of the event.They exonerated Zimmerman at the scene. Normal procedure is to arrest the shooter, transport him for booking and investigation.He answered a simple question at the scene saying the the shooting wass in self defense. The police accepted his word while a seventeen year old human being lay dead a few feet away from them.The police had more concern for the murdered than the victim and it is reflected in their followup investigation.
The Sanford Police Department has clearly stated it's intent to classify this murder as self defense and they do not appear to be inclines to change their initial conclusions. The States Attorney or the FBI will eventually solve this case for the Sanford Police Department. what is truly a shame is that this young man did not have to die. All Zimmerman had to to was follow the instructions given him by the Sanford Police 911 operator. His failure to do so is a clear indication of murder not self defense.
Jim Bagg

United States

#23 Mar 13, 2012
Tired of Silly wrote:
<quoted text>
We know that this neighborhood is very close to a high crime area and likely has had problems with ghetto thugs in the past.
And she calls me prejudiced....

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker
First Prev
of 237
Next Last

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Orlando Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
Barack Obama, our next President (Nov '08) 10 min Teaman 1,144,553
The alphabet (Jun '06) 21 min Princess Hey 1,155
5000 post wins (Feb '13) 27 min Princess Hey 4,299
Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds ... (Dec '08) 41 min OzRitz 48,600
CASEY: Does the State Have the Goods to Convict? (Mar '10) 1 hr Riverside 489,663
keep a word----drop a word (Feb '11) 1 hr Princess Hey 17,256
New Game ***Last Word + 2 (Oct '11) 1 hr Princess Hey 11,997
Orlando Dating
Find my Match

Orlando People Search

Addresses and phone numbers for FREE

Orlando News, Events & Info

Click for news, events and info in Orlando

Personal Finance

Mortgages [ See current mortgage rates ]

NFL Latest News

Updated 12:05 pm PST

Bleacher Report12:05PM
Betting Odds, Prediction for Giants vs. Jags
Bleacher Report 6:20 PM
How the Buccaneers Can Salvage Season, Make Most of Remaining Games
Bleacher Report 8:27 PM
Complete Giants Preview for Jags Game
Bleacher Report 9:00 PM
NFL Draft Scouting Notebook for Week 13
Bleacher Report 4:00 AM
Complete Bengals Preview for Bucs Game