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John Galt

Temecula, CA

#961345 Aug 8, 2013
frontporchreactionary wrote:
<quoted text> Yes, only Galt's 'real' middle class considers Mitt Romney poor compared to their wealth.
"Middle class" is about values, not money.
Bernard Forand

Fort Myers, FL

#961346 Aug 8, 2013
….. The Price Of Inequality
People from around the world heard the shot that crippled the financial markets. Shot originated from our Wall Street! Suspects were the Banks to big at fail.
Years of 2007 to 2008 exposed the flaw of the means and ways the USA defined their GDP. Foreign nations discovered that Inequality measurements were not represented.!
.. Symphonizing of the siphoning of wealth from the improvised lower classes to be horded by the 1% minority. Orchestrating with fine attentive desires of greed. Filling their coffers’ treasuries and outsourcing their horde for safe keeping from the Tax distributing environment of their beloved nation.
Melodies of bankruptcy erupted across the nation for over 8 million families homes. Tuning with increasing unemployment. Enveloping all within the finical ballroom. Students waltzing with tens’ of thousand of debt with no work available. Alas as the bell tolled for them at midnight, as they returned to their homeless rewards.
Millions more would soon accompany them with lost savings and defunct pensions. Safety nets that once retained them from such desolation, were sold to the highest bidder of their political domains. Strongly suggestive signing calling for the forced retirement to the improvised laborers.
Americans dreams of secured homes sold for less than its hard earned purchase. Vacancy was the norm through out the nation. Disrepair and lost of upkeep to properties festered on the infrastructures of a once proud majestic nation.
After shocks from the Great Recession will continue to affect this molding Nation until at least 2018 before complete repairs can be considered accomplished. The Price Of Inequality was merely illuminated for a brief moment in time, of the cost of inequality. Inequality has been eroding this nation for over a century. Inequality in the past 40 years has accelerated similar to the years before the 1929 Great Depression with similar results.
Within the bastions of the horded wealth, the symphony played on. Rejoicing in the price of inequality. Distributions of wealth being divided up with the 1% receiving one fifth of the nations income with the largest share to be rewarded to the 0.1% to the tune of 33% of the national income would be transferred to their coffers due to their wealth of assets. Some of which is rent control of national resources, politics and of course the media. Some assigned to continuously orchestrate the tune of A La Propaganda.
Tunes that are required to distract any observation of siphoning as was occurring during the years of 2002 to 2007, to the tune of 63% of the National Income to the 1%.
Alas had this been more evenly distributed the ballroom would still be overflowing with celebrations of prosperity for one and all.
WOW

Bronx, NY

#961347 Aug 8, 2013
Bernard Forand wrote:
<quoted text>
As usual WOW is naïve if we don’t see all his A La Propaganda comes from the same source regardless how many right wing tabloids he hides under his comments. Here this is what facts look like .
Want to make money on stock markets?
How to go long on Markets. Simply observe the party in power.{R right wing} Play Bear ,{D left wing} Play Bull simple as that.
A mathematical investigation was produced by the statisticians Pedro Santa Clara and Rossen Valkanov that exposes the superior performance of the stock markets under democrats. That this is but one example of the democrat’s superiority, as there are more.
Their study encompasses 80 years. Study demonstrates systematically and positively surprised by democratic policies. Comparing the stewardship of the two parties. They calculated each economic indicator as an “annual average” during the democrats and republicans of their economic stewardship of their 40 years each. Turns out to be a landslide for democrats providing beneficial returns to the nation. One example; Democrat’s presided over a very respectable average annual compound return of 9.60% during their 40 years where in as republicans averaged a dismal 0.58%.
Consider this; a 401K plan invested in stocks and had a value of $100,000 at the beginning of the 40 years. Democrats would accumulate in compound interest $ 3,912,210 where in as republicans would only produce $126,027 . Another example; “IF” an employee were to invest $5,000 per year into their 401K for 40 years in a democratic stewardship the employee would have $1,985,526 in the bank. Where as the republican would produce a dismal $224,375.
That republicans advocate that they are good for businesses is false as compared to the democrats
Another interesting fact emerges within the statistical study. The income gap between the 99% and the top 1% has widened considerably under republicans. Averaging .49% as compared to the democrat’s .41% That is to say under republicans the income gap in 40 years, widened by 19.6% and narrowed 16.4%. Resulting in a 36% difference.
LOL on debt republicans increased debt by 2.5 times greater than that of the democrats. Republicans $7.1 Trillion vs. the democrats $2.8 Trillion.
GOP’s Self-Proclamation for economic dominance; in fact it is a misnomer to call the GOP a fiscal responsible party and or a smaller government, when in fact the contrary is true.
Obama’s administration indicates he sought the great leaders on these issue. Eccles and FDR, Clinton and O’Neill to do what is most productive for our nation.
Now pass on this one small example of the fallacies of the republican’s erroneous policies and deceptions..
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I CAn SEE YOU ARE LIMITED SHARE THIS INFORMATION ABOUT THE STOCK MARKET WITH THE PEOPLE IN MARCY PROJECTS maybe they will be able to live WHERE JAY z LIVES MAKE USE OF THE PROSPERTY THAT OBAMA BROUGHT TO THE BLACK AMERICAN COMMUNITY FORGET FOX hows that since things are so great is this information about WALLSTREET GETTING WELFARE FROM OBAMA DOES THAT HELP THE POOR OR THAT MAKES YOU FEEL GOOD AAAAH OBAMA SAVED WALL STREET FOR DONAL TRUMP,LARRY ELLISON,THE BILLIONAIRE FROM WISCONSIN WHO EATS HIS BURGER AT THE SAME DINER AND DRIVES HIS OLD TRUCK YEP OBAMA SAVED WALL STREET JUST LIKE EVEROTHER REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT THE POOR ARE STILL POOR GET YOUR FOX FOR THAT you are so FOX AND YOU DONT KNOW IT hahahahahahalolololololol

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#961348 Aug 8, 2013
Yeah wrote:
<quoted text>Then it's obvious you didn't read the article from the FRB regarding their research on where ACTUAL defaults occurred.
Clearly you won't let the facts get in the way of your opinions.
now you are making things up again with nothing to support your claim and deflecting again.
John Galt

Temecula, CA

#961349 Aug 8, 2013
Realtime wrote:
<quoted text>The tea party dirt bags have traded whatever manners they learned as children and the patience they practiced later in life for pure verbal and electronic hatred.
The TP pukes are taking over city and county commission meetings and ruining the experience found in serving through civic organizations.
It's like the fks all have a permanent case of the black azz__everything's in the shttr for them since the nih-nih-nih came to town.
I've begun calling all the TP folks that I encounter Carol.
Realtime and his ilk believe that local government should be left to professional politicians and ordinary citizens should butt out.
Bernard Forand

Fort Myers, FL

#961350 Aug 8, 2013

Are you pregnant? Under the present republican plan of Health Care you can expect this…
Renée Martin pregnancy in Laconia N.H. was a wake up call to her and her husband Mark Willett both professionals with Health Care Insurance. Her present policy does not cover maternity! Soon they began to question each cost factor. Epidural anesthesia with the option of a birthing tube labor became a serious decision. Additional investigation as to what the actual cost of maternity care was vague to non existence. Inquiry to Hospitals finance offices had little help. Giving Ms. Martin a range of $4,000 to $45,000 ! Actually the “average” cost is slightly above $37,000 in the USA. Ms. Martin discovered many of the arrays for maternity have no fixed price if any. Midway through her pregnancy she received a bill for $935 for an ultrasound that she had already paid a radiologist to read the scan $256, which took 20 minutes. After extensive stressful negotiations bill was reduced to $655 from the $935 billing.
“I feel like I’m in a used-car lot,” Ms. Martin replied.
Sticker shock on pregnancy can be attributed to how the cost has tripled since 1996.{N.Y. Times, Truven Health Analytics} Four Million annual births now cost the USA over $50 billion. Other developed nations through out the world have fractions of that cost to their Health Care programs. Additionally they provide all the same quality technological and primary care that the USA offers on their most expensive maternity procedures.“It’s not primarily that we get a different bundle of services when we have a baby,” said Gerard Anderson, an economist at the Johns Hopkins School of Public Health who studies international health costs.“It’s that we pay individually for each service and pay more for the services we receive.”
As of 2011, up to 62% of American women with private insurance and not through an employer denied or excludes maternity care. Those that do have them are feeling the cost as their deductibles and co-payments accelerating. All the while certain pregnancy related services become excluded. 2004 to 2010 vaginal births cost rose 49% and Caesarean sections by 41% Out of pocket expense quadrupled! Three Health Care groups hired Truven for that analyst as well as to the average total price of delivery. Which is as follows; Vaginal births $30,000 and $50,000 for the C-section. Insurance paid out an average of $18,329 and $27,866 end of report. Survey by Childbirth Connection reported that the women’s out of pocket fee average $3,400 .
In the other developed nations there s little to no charge for maternity care. They consider it vital to ensuring the health of future generations.
Ireland free maternity at public hospitals and a small fee for deliveries in private hospitals. Switzerland, France and the Netherlands have an Average price for a vaginal delivery of $4,000 of which the mother pays very little of that due to strict regulations and price settings. France, one example of many in the developed nations, have their mothers remain for up to a week to recoup where in the USA 1 to 2 days and out they go.
With Obamacare we can rein in this messed up maternity nonsense. Republican’s Austerity ideology does not work is evident in all factors of our cultures here and through out the world.

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#961351 Aug 8, 2013
sonicfilter wrote:
<quoted text>
omg you're right.
pretty bad when you're wishing carol would show up so you can have a 'real' conversation.
Sad idn't it?
WOW

Bronx, NY

#961352 Aug 8, 2013
Bernard Forand wrote:
….. The Price Of Inequality
People from around the world heard the shot that crippled the financial markets. Shot originated from our Wall Street! Suspects were the Banks to big at fail.
Years of 2007 to 2008 exposed the flaw of the means and ways the USA defined their GDP. Foreign nations discovered that Inequality measurements were not represented.!
.. Symphonizing of the siphoning of wealth from the improvised lower classes to be horded by the 1% minority. Orchestrating with fine attentive desires of greed. Filling their coffers’ treasuries and outsourcing their horde for safe keeping from the Tax distributing environment of their beloved nation.
Melodies of bankruptcy erupted across the nation for over 8 million families homes. Tuning with increasing unemployment. Enveloping all within the finical ballroom. Students waltzing with tens’ of thousand of debt with no work available. Alas as the bell tolled for them at midnight, as they returned to their homeless rewards.
Millions more would soon accompany them with lost savings and defunct pensions. Safety nets that once retained them from such desolation, were sold to the highest bidder of their political domains. Strongly suggestive signing calling for the forced retirement to the improvised laborers.
Americans dreams of secured homes sold for less than its hard earned purchase. Vacancy was the norm through out the nation. Disrepair and lost of upkeep to properties festered on the infrastructures of a once proud majestic nation.
After shocks from the Great Recession will continue to affect this molding Nation until at least 2018 before complete repairs can be considered accomplished. The Price Of Inequality was merely illuminated for a brief moment in time, of the cost of inequality. Inequality has been eroding this nation for over a century. Inequality in the past 40 years has accelerated similar to the years before the 1929 Great Depression with similar results.
Within the bastions of the horded wealth, the symphony played on. Rejoicing in the price of inequality. Distributions of wealth being divided up with the 1% receiving one fifth of the nations income with the largest share to be rewarded to the 0.1% to the tune of 33% of the national income would be transferred to their coffers due to their wealth of assets. Some of which is rent control of national resources, politics and of course the media. Some assigned to continuously orchestrate the tune of A La Propaganda.
Tunes that are required to distract any observation of siphoning as was occurring during the years of 2002 to 2007, to the tune of 63% of the National Income to the 1%.
Alas had this been more evenly distributed the ballroom would still be overflowing with celebrations of prosperity for one and all.
I CAn SEE YOU ARE CONFUSED obama does that like a dog drunk chasing his TAIL OBAMA DOES WHAt THE POOR IN AMERICA HAVE ALWAYS FOUGHT NOW HE IS THE HERO OF THE POOR BUT HE BAILS OUT WALL STREET HAVE YOU SEEn DETROIT NO URBAN RENEWAL FROM OBAMA he is buying mansions for his wall street buddies JEFF KATZ GOT A VIST FROM HIS BOY THAT HE DONATED $10 MIL FOR HIS RESELECTION AD CAMPAIGNE obama loves poor people and he shows how much

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#961353 Aug 8, 2013
RealDave wrote:
<quoted text>
We do know he was up yo recruiting suicide bombers. We do know he recruited & directed the underwear bomber.
So yes, we do know exactly what he was doing.
Do you really believe we should allow that to happen and wait until he is captured?
You wanted to try him in a court of law in absentia? How many years would that take? How many more suicide bombers set out to kill?
That's pretty much the point. Without due process we only "know" what the people who ordered his execution want us to know.

What you're suggesting is that, if you turn it around and apply it to a recent case, George Zimmerman should have been executed by police at the scene of the crime then the police could have assured us that Zimmerman murdered Martin and that's all there was to it.
WOW

Bronx, NY

#961354 Aug 8, 2013
Bernard Forand wrote:
Are you pregnant? Under the present republican plan of Health Care you can expect this…
Renée Martin pregnancy in Laconia N.H. was a wake up call to her and her husband Mark Willett both professionals with Health Care Insurance. Her present policy does not cover maternity! Soon they began to question each cost factor. Epidural anesthesia with the option of a birthing tube labor became a serious decision. Additional investigation as to what the actual cost of maternity care was vague to non existence. Inquiry to Hospitals finance offices had little help. Giving Ms. Martin a range of $4,000 to $45,000 ! Actually the “average” cost is slightly above $37,000 in the USA. Ms. Martin discovered many of the arrays for maternity have no fixed price if any. Midway through her pregnancy she received a bill for $935 for an ultrasound that she had already paid a radiologist to read the scan $256, which took 20 minutes. After extensive stressful negotiations bill was reduced to $655 from the $935 billing.
“I feel like I’m in a used-car lot,” Ms. Martin replied.
Sticker shock on pregnancy can be attributed to how the cost has tripled since 1996.{N.Y. Times, Truven Health Analytics} Four Million annual births now cost the USA over $50 billion. Other developed nations through out the world have fractions of that cost to their Health Care programs. Additionally they provide all the same quality technological and primary care that the USA offers on their most expensive maternity procedures.“It’s not primarily that we get a different bundle of services when we have a baby,” said Gerard Anderson, an economist at the Johns Hopkins School of Public Health who studies international health costs.“It’s that we pay individually for each service and pay more for the services we receive.”
As of 2011, up to 62% of American women with private insurance and not through an employer denied or excludes maternity care. Those that do have them are feeling the cost as their deductibles and co-payments accelerating. All the while certain pregnancy related services become excluded. 2004 to 2010 vaginal births cost rose 49% and Caesarean sections by 41% Out of pocket expense quadrupled! Three Health Care groups hired Truven for that analyst as well as to the average total price of delivery. Which is as follows; Vaginal births $30,000 and $50,000 for the C-section. Insurance paid out an average of $18,329 and $27,866 end of report. Survey by Childbirth Connection reported that the women’s out of pocket fee average $3,400 .
In the other developed nations there s little to no charge for maternity care. They consider it vital to ensuring the health of future generations.
Ireland free maternity at public hospitals and a small fee for deliveries in private hospitals. Switzerland, France and the Netherlands have an Average price for a vaginal delivery of $4,000 of which the mother pays very little of that due to strict regulations and price settings. France, one example of many in the developed nations, have their mothers remain for up to a week to recoup where in the USA 1 to 2 days and out they go.
With Obamacare we can rein in this messed up maternity nonsense. Republican’s Austerity ideology does not work is evident in all factors of our cultures here and through out the world.
YOUR EXAMPLE OF THE COUPLE DOESNT MAKE SENSE BECAUSE if they had followed the DEMOCRATIC LIBERAL PARTY LINE THEY WOULD HAVE HAD AN ABORTION and their would have only been MINIMAL COST TO THEIR INSURANCE SO THAT EXAMPLE WAS FROM A CONFUSED IDIOTOLOG
Yeah

Honolulu, HI

#961355 Aug 8, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>Pseudo Liberals within the Federal Government are still deseperate & nervous right now and are trying to hang anybody the can in their sideshow to divert the attention away from what they and the Clinton Adminstration were involved in & did plus you can't prosecute people that were operating under Federal Law that was changed by the Clinton Administration and Congress besides it was the Clinton Adminstration & the other Pseudo Liberals within Congress at the time that had different Ideas how Socialism should work & function which is what caused the Financial Crisis to begin with and were in charge of the Federal Government and involved economically and if these people get prosecuted then people within the Clinton Adminstration will have to be prosecuted too since they were involved and ordered the SEC which is another product of Socialism to look the other way of Wall Street activities which was ordered by the Clinton Adminstration and why nothing was done to Bernie Maddoff too because beginning in 2000 which the SEC was still under the control of the Clinton Administration Harry Markopolos alerted the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) of Bernie Madoff's Ponzi Scheme formally more than once about Bernie Madoff Ponzi Scheme and the SEC did nothing because were order not to inforce SEC Regulations of Wall Street Activities because the economy looked good and the hell with ethics is the way Clinton Adminstration looked at it.
And yet, nothing has changed since the financial crisis.

Freddie / Fannie are profitable despite your claims.

SEC / Justice department have looked into BoA and are currently looking at JPM.

And your opinions just don't match to reality. All you do is repeat your same garbage hoping something will stick. And I can tell you it hasn't and it won't no matter how many times you repeat yourself.
Bernard Forand

Fort Myers, FL

#961356 Aug 8, 2013
Like WOW! As I stated no substance or facts mere bigoted opinionated nonsense. Here try this, a BRIEF history of inequality.
America has worn through many cloaks through out its history. Foreigners looked out over their seas, oceans and deserts to the promise land of America. Vast ranges of land to be consumed for mere pittance and hard labor. Blood of the martyrs of the revolution which nourished the first sprouts of Liberty, Opportunity, Justice, and the pursuit of Happiness, within this land so blessed, will not soon fade into the night. Nor as the future martyr’s for this ambitious goal, will not be forgotten.
Blood of these revolutionary martyr’s for freedom was not enough. Less than a century later Abraham Lincoln relieved President Buchanan with 11 states in secession seeking to divide the nation into separate independent nation states. Much as in ancient Greece with their city state. Defeat was inevitable by larger unified organizations.
Abe realized the desperate seriousness to our USA’s chances for this young nation to survive was at hand. March 4th 1861 Lincoln steps up to the helm declaring that these 11 states will not survive nor would this nation without unity of all. Greatest loss of American blood, in all of its history was once again demanded in nourishing our goals for freedom and liberty.
Less than ½ a century {1901 to 1909} latter, Ruff Riding Teddy with his big stick picks up the gauntlet to break up those that sought to destroy our democracy through their greed. Siphoning the wealth to a few and returning increasing poverty to the citizens of America.
A little over a century latter, the flower children {1965 to 1975} demonstrated, warning the nation of the increasing inequality that existed within USA’s administrations. Less than a ½ a century 2010 USA is once again demonstrated, warning of the inequality in our laborers productivity distributions to the 1% of our nation and providing ever increasing poverty.
The Haves and Haves not is an old fixture of inequality, dating back to the origins of our species. Inequality being the dominating purpose of disputes of tribes, cities, states, and nations. Micro symptom of recessions’ and depressions’ is exhibited by those infected with an imbalance to inequality.
Science has evolved away from suppositious studies, to observing emerging facts through the language of the Universe,{mathematics}. With this key, multi opportunities have come to be realized and identified. This same key to awakening our various curiosities of nature has been turned inward to discover the fundamental flaws to our inability to grasp the cherished Grail of Humanity for Peace. Inequality unregulated is now the most wanted villain in all of the histories’ of humanity.
A cancerous growth that must first be contained with treatments, until a cure can be found. Presently science with less obstructive forces shackling their progress will some day discover that cure. Until then we must preserve and seek the strict containment to our inequality’s cancerous growth.

Since: Dec 12

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#961357 Aug 8, 2013
Realtime wrote:
<quoted text>I'm pretty sure sure US intel knew what the US citizen, Anwar al-Awlaki was doing in Yemen. That "we" didn't know was likely by design.
The impoverished Yemen looks to it's pipelines and ports for 70% of it's entire economy and for the strategically located nation to remain somewhat stable has required outside help from the likes of Jordan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and by proxy the US.
Aside from al Qaeda setting up shop along the coast of the Aden Sea, Yemeni tribesmen frequently blow up the pipelines to the Red Sea as a way of protest. That the US doesn't trade with Yemen is irrelevant, someone does and would have to go elsewhere to purchase crude creating uncertainty(higher prices).
Drone warfare changed everything, the superpowers used to send in political sht stirrers and even assassins. Satellite technology in combination with drones seems far more effective particularly considering the psych factor drones place on those being hunted.
What was that I heard recently? Was it 22 children killed by US drones in Pakistan? When does that become murder?

This administration has put us on notice: a "high level" un-elected bureaucrat can order Realtime's execution no matter where in the world Realtime is based on that bureaucrat's threat assessment of Realtime with no oversight or judicial review.

Really???

Y'all are defending this?
John Galt

Temecula, CA

#961358 Aug 8, 2013
Death of Tenzing wrote:
<quoted text>
That's pretty much the point. Without due process we only "know" what the people who ordered his execution want us to know.
What you're suggesting is that, if you turn it around and apply it to a recent case, George Zimmerman should have been executed by police at the scene of the crime then the police could have assured us that Zimmerman murdered Martin and that's all there was to it.
If Obama ordered that all Republicans be sent to concentration camps, Dumbass Dave would find a justification.
WOW

Bronx, NY

#961359 Aug 8, 2013
OBAMA A RACIAL DISTRACTION FOR TYRANNY DHS ‘Constitution Free’ Zones Inside US Ignored By Media
This ‘border’ even includes where the US land meets oceans in addition to legitimate borders with Mexico and Canada. As a result, you have over 197 million citizens suffocated in these 100 mile ‘border zones’ that include major cities like New York City, Houston, Los Angeles, and Philadelphia. Checkout the graphic below for a visual representation, with the orange area representing the Constitution free zone as designated by the DHS:
What’s even more amazing, is that this has been going on since 2008. That’s about 5 years of absolute unconstitutional abuse of power by the Department of Homeland Security that the media fails to even document. That’s 197 million citizens living without a Constitution as far as the DHS is concerned, and apparently the Department of Justice (DOJ) must be pretty content too. Amazingly, no one has challenged this besides the ACLU, which was contacted following the case of a man who was actually detained within the 100 mile ‘border’ area.

Not only was this man’s laptop searched for no reason, as is ‘allowed’ under DHS code now, but they ended up finding pictures designated to be linked up with ‘terrorist’ groups. In response, the man was thrown in a cell while DHS agents went through every piece of data on his entire laptop. The ACLU is now suing over this event, but there’s no telling how the case will go with such limited media exposure. The DHS is literally gutting the Constitution and declaring itself higher than the law of the land by doing this, and it spells out major trouble for the entire Bill of Rights at large.

DHS DISMISSES CONSTITUTION, BILL OF RIGHTS

Because if the DHS can simply ‘overrule’ the Fourth Amendment for 197 million citizens, it can also ‘overrule’ the First and Second Amendments as well. What’s stopping them? It’s highly illegal under the Constitution, but it appears they truly don’t care. And to demonstrate just how little they truly care, they have even gone and ‘reviewed’ themselves for their own actions following outcry from some legal experts.

To break it down: back in 2008 there was outrage from those who actually value the Constitution and understand how the bloated DHS entity works, so the DHS promised to prove within 120 days that what they were doing was constitutional and legal. Years later, the report came out to reveal that the DHS actually reviewed itself and determined that it was acting 100% properly. It also founds that everything it was doing was ‘constitutional’ because it was not actually removing the Constitution from United States soil, only the ‘border’.

INFORMATION AND INDIEPENDENT THOUGHT confuses the obama PEASANTs
Bernard Forand

Fort Myers, FL

#961360 Aug 8, 2013
Like WOW ! Right over your right wing. Whoosh ! Abortion was not the issue. Here try this one.. Now actually try to focus and perhaps an intelligent reply might come from it. Like WOW ! LOL
What is causing an increasing population of medical tourist. Liberal International Free Markets !
A sampling of Health Care cost in the USA versus other Nations.
USA avg. cost for an Angiogram $914 Canada’s cost $35 ! Colonoscopy USA $1,185 Switzerland $655 ! USA hip replacement $40,364 Spain $7,731! USA Liptor $124.00 New Zealand $6.00! USA MRI scan $1,121, Netherlands $319!
.Source: 2012 Comparative Price Report by the International Federation of Health Plans. The average prices shown for colonoscopies do NOT include added fees for sedation by an anesthesiologist, a practice common in the United States, but unusual in the rest of the world. The additional charges can increase the cost “significantly.”
Here is a sample of actual colonoscopy cost to some patients in the USA.
Deirdre Yapalater recent colonoscopy in Merrick N.Y. that went smoothly as routine cancer screening can be expected. Nothing found and she was billed $6,385! Which is closer to the norm. Matt Meyer of Keen N.H. colonoscopy bill $7,563.56. Maggie Christ, Chappaqua N.Y. received her bill for colonoscopy $9142.84!
Insurance companies were responsive to those patients charges by increasing their premiums by 10%, rising co-payments and deductibles. Price of quality? Not so, for numerous studies have discovered that Americans do not get better Health Care than the Nations that provide this procedure for less than $1,000 max.
International Federation of Health Plans list the USA as the highest most costly in all of the 21 categories that they investigated. Cost difference significantly larger than that of Nations that have private or national systems for their Health Care. Hip replacement in USA four time that of Switzerland and France. Caesarean section three times of New Zealand or Britain. USA Nasonex for allergies $108, Spain’s price $21. Hospital stays triple that of the rest of the developed nations. Reported from the Commonwealth Fund Foundation in their studies of health policies.
….Colonoscopy moved from the doctors routine examination to surgical atmospheres. More economical scenarios for this procedure is still practiced through out the developed world.
We’ve defaulted to by far, the most expensive option, without much if any data to support it,” said Dr. H. Gilbert Welch, a professor of medicine at the Dartmouth Institute for Health Policy and Clinical Practice.
…“The U.S. just pays providers of health care much more for everything,” said Tom Sackville, chief executive of the health plans federation and a former British health minister.
Obamacare about to take center stage will be addressing these issue as well as many others. Hopefully in time to suppress the growing tide of Medical Tourist seeking the Liberal International Free Trade Markets with their medical competitors.

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#961361 Aug 8, 2013
RealDave wrote:
New Al Qaeda plan.
Sneak 50 Al Qaeda women into the US. Have them produce baby after baby creating US citizens. Send them to Yemen to plan & carry out terrorist attacks.
According to some., their US citizenship makes them untouchable for military strikes. Thy can only be arrested.
I'm sorry, but that is stupid.
The same legal standard applies to foreign nationals too so their citizenship is, to an extent, irrelevant.

Ramzi Yousef, mastermind of the WTC bombing and Pakistani citizen is sitting in a Colorado Supermax prison for the rest of his life. He was captured in Pakistan. That was in '97, before the PATRIOT Act became a tool of Monarchical authority.
John Galt

Temecula, CA

#961362 Aug 8, 2013
Death of Tenzing wrote:
<quoted text>
What was that I heard recently? Was it 22 children killed by US drones in Pakistan? When does that become murder?
This administration has put us on notice: a "high level" un-elected bureaucrat can order Realtime's execution no matter where in the world Realtime is based on that bureaucrat's threat assessment of Realtime with no oversight or judicial review.
Really???
Y'all are defending this?
Those who support totalitarian government never think that power will be turned against them.

Kinda like those who say you should talk freely to the police because you have nothing to fear if you're innocent.
WOW

Bronx, NY

#961363 Aug 8, 2013
HEY BERNARD Washington Thinks You Are Stupid There’s the old saying that if the government fears the people, there is liberty, but if the people fear the government there is tyranny. The criminals in Washington not only do not fear us, they do not respect us. Washington looks upon Americans as stupid sheeple.

Washington believes that it can tell the population anything and the people will believe it. For example, the official line is that the recession that began in December 2007 ended in June 2009. Many Americans believe this even thought they have not personally experienced economic recovery. Indeed, they are sinking further into poverty and near poverty.

And don’t forget those nonexistent weapons of mass destruction that Saddam Hussein was alleged by Washington to possess. Or the Gulf of Tonkin fake event when Washington claimed that its warship was attacked by North Vietnam. Really, the list of official lies is very long. Anyone who believes anything that Washington says is too naive to be let out of the house alone. But Americans believe the lies, because that is what they think patriotism requires.

Relying on the proven gullibility of the bulk of the US population, Washington claims to have uncovered an al Qaeda plot to attack US embassies across North Africa and the Middle East. To foil the plot, Washington closed 19 embassies for the past week-end and for this week also.

Washington has not explained how closing the embassies foils the plot. If al Qaeda wants to blow up the embassies, it can blow them up whether they are open or closed.

If al Qaeda wants to kill the embassy personnel, they can kill them at home or on the way to work or later in the embassies when the alert passes.

I only check in with the presstitute media in order to ascertain whether my current estimate of their prostitution for Washington is accurate. Possibly I missed some expression of skepticism about the latest terrorist threat. But I did hear NPR’s account. Back in the Reagan years, NPR was an independent voice. Today it is part of the presstitute media. NPR lies for Washington with the best of them.

The US media has ignored the obvious fact that as soon as the American population, Congress, and Washington’s puppet allies, such as Germany, made an issue over the NSA’s clearly unconstitutional and totally illegal universal spying, the Obama regime pushed the Fear Button and hyped a new terror plot in order to shut up critics and bring Congress and Germany back in line.

OR DID THE NSA look at your computer files and are sure how stupid you are lololololoolhahahahahah
Realtime

Deltona, FL

#961364 Aug 8, 2013
John Galt wrote:
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Realtime and his ilk believe that local government should be left to professional politicians and ordinary citizens should butt out.
It's not about me pal and it's not about ilk__TeaParty mutts have adopted a flea market view of politics and by way of Rush-Glenda-Billo and the like have been led to believe that the squeakiest wheels get the grease.

Yeah right__from simple minds come simple solutions not to mention hatred compounded by racism.

As I said I've started calling them all Carol.

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