Barack Obama, our next President

"The road ahead will be long. Our climb will be steep," Obama cautioned. Young and charismatic but with little experience on the national level, Obama smashed through racial barriers and easily defeated ... Full Story
Jane Says

New York, NY

#931661 Jun 25, 2013
Aunt Bettie Lou wrote:
<quoted text>
The video that Obama and Hillary claimed created the anti-Muslim sentiments leading to the attack and the murder of the ambassador. The video they talked about for weeks afterwards even though they knew it was a terrorist attack the night it happened.
But thanks for making my point. A reasonable person would have known about the video and a cover up at the highest levels.
poster Death of Tenzing is just another low informed voter who is stuck on "but, it's all Bush's fault, Obama inherited a mess."

meanwhile, Kenyans are upset that he won't be visiting his place of birth during his gazillion dollar vacation this summer with Moochelle and the girls and their 100 closest BFFs.
Whatever

Gering, NE

#931662 Jun 25, 2013
LNC Llin wrote:
<quoted text>
In 1973 there was limited fetal medicine.
Roe v Wade decision was issued after many states had passed legislation legalizing abortion.
The issue may come down to who makes the decision to have an abortion.
The woman involved, the woman and her partner, or a state legislature.
If a birth takes place in a late term abortion and the child is killed this is murder.
There is a whole stack of SCOTUS decisions since then that attempts to balance viable baby and woman's choice

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#931663 Jun 25, 2013
Whatever wrote:
<quoted text>
The fight is about the Progressive's "BUSH ONLY AT FAULT". I am not so new here as to not to notice this. Why haven't you?
Maybe you can go back to his post and show where he deflected blame from the Democrats. I must have missed it.

“fairtax.org”

Level 8

Since: Dec 08

gauley bridge wv

#931664 Jun 25, 2013
lily boca raton fl wrote:
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The developing fetus is not a human being until it's born.
Science says otherwise.

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#931665 Jun 25, 2013
Whatever wrote:
<quoted text>
Reflecting your tone in your response. You decide.
'k, I'm going with "stupid".

Hey, you left it to me.
LNC Llin

United States

#931666 Jun 25, 2013
Whatever wrote:
<quoted text>
Hmmmm
Interesting comment.
Does morality include those yet born or does it only concern those now living?
What would prevent this from being reduced to just situational ethics?
If a pregnant woman is shot and she and the fetus die
the culprit is charged with
TWO murders!
sonicfilter

Indianapolis, IN

#931668 Jun 25, 2013
Whatever wrote:
<quoted text>
Get it together and respond to what was posted.
You were dissing Bettie for using the same Time source as DuPont
"But you conveniently overlooked the part about "Democrats promoting and protecting Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac". And you conveniently overlooked the part about the "economy taking off after the Bush tax cuts". So, basically, you are wrong."

so let's start with how a Republican Congress somehow let Democrats protect F&F.

and then we can go on to how the Bush tax cuts did nothing for our economy. did plenty for China's economy, but a big failure at home.
John Galt

Temecula, CA

#931669 Jun 25, 2013
JesusMyLord wrote:
<quoted text>
91% of the people on social security are white, so how does that work for you?
Great. Means they live longer than black people because of genetics and living habits.

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#931670 Jun 25, 2013
fetch almighty wrote:
<quoted text>It is. Big Government in small cities is disgusting. Park Ridge taxes at a huge rate to pay for big government in a small town.
Is somebody forcing you to live in Park Ridge?
sonicfilter

Indianapolis, IN

#931671 Jun 25, 2013
Aunt Bettie Lou wrote:
<quoted text>
What about the wishes of the developing human being the "mother" created by her decision not to have protected sex?
Women should have the right to kill the life they, themselves, created even when birth control is easily accessible and creating an unwanted baby is easily avoidable?
The percentage of those who are pro-choice has dropped from 47% to 41%. I believe it's going to shrink even further.
Now that birth control is free.
nice argument, but i'm pretty sure the right wing nutjobs have been calling birth control the same as an abortion.

so carol...when did you become a liberal?
LNC Llin

United States

#931672 Jun 25, 2013
Aunt Bettie Lou wrote:
<quoted text>
Seriously? You can't see that if Obama had admitted to a terrorist attack on the anniversary of 9/11 after announcing to everyone on the campaign trail he personally had al Qaeda on the run because he killed bin Laden that he wouldn't look ridiculous just weeks before the election?
He just looked ridiculous instead after the election because everyone knew he lied to win the election.
That makes a lot of people angry - reasonable people.
Don't know if "he personally had al Qaeda on the run" but his drone program and the killing of Osama bin laden seem impressive.

“Amor patriae.”

Level 5

Since: Feb 08

Eastern Oregon

#931673 Jun 25, 2013
lily boca raton fl wrote:
<quoted text>
The fetus is not an infant until it is born
The infant is not a fetus if it can survive on it's own. Even that's arguable. Why is a murderer charged with double homicide when he kills a pregnant mother?
Aunt Bettie Lou

Orlando, FL

#931674 Jun 25, 2013
LNC Llin wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes!
...a difficult moral issue.
Women are going to abort the fetus, legally or illegally ....have done so since colonial times.
In a perfect world there would be No abortions.
Morality is not determined by percentage favoring abortion or opposing abortion?
No law is going to prevent abortions from happening.

But the original law was extremely narrow in its definition of abortion and led to Pandora's Box being opened and now we have abortionists like Gosnell and Tiller - the two who were just caught doing late term and born alive abortions. Who knows how prevalent this is?

We also now have liberals demanding late term abortions be legal as well.

The killing of human life becoming the law of the land can only lead to a barbaric society.

There are no easy solutions but a society MUST take the moral high ground to be considered a civilized society on issues concerning life and death and respecting life in any form or phase of development.

The number of abortions has skyrocketed since Roe v Wade. It's not even considered a moral dilemma by most liberals - not even late-term abortions. We've already become a barbaric society.

Level 1

Since: May 11

Chambersburg, PA

#931675 Jun 25, 2013
flack wrote:
<quoted text> I've been saying that for years. It was part of the 08 crash.
This is Flack b;laming the Democrats for the Bush recession.

Signed into Law May25th.

Went into effect July 26th.

That .70 cents an hour raise.

less than two months later Bush tells us we are on the verge of a financial meltdown & the worst recession in 80 years starts in December.

Yep that minimum wage did it.

Nor the unfunded Bush Tax cuts

Not record Earmarks

Not doubling the debt

Not two quagmire unfunded wars

Not the unfunded part D expansion to Medicare.

It was that GD .70 cents an hour raise to the minimum wage.
John Galt

Temecula, CA

#931676 Jun 25, 2013
RealDave wrote:
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China is still developing a major portion of their country. The plants they are installing are more efficient & less polluting than most of our coal fired generation plants.
You are totally ignorant or misinformed about the power industry here and in China.

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#931677 Jun 25, 2013
Aunt Bettie Lou wrote:
<quoted text>
Seriously? You can't see that if Obama had admitted to a terrorist attack on the anniversary of 9/11 after announcing to everyone on the campaign trail he personally had al Qaeda on the run because he killed bin Laden that he wouldn't look ridiculous just weeks before the election?
He just looked ridiculous instead after the election because everyone knew he lied to win the election.
That makes a lot of people angry - reasonable people.
No, especially since he came out within a day or two calling it an "act of terror". Fox doesn't spin it that way of course but I heard the words come out of his mouth.

So, evidently it DIDN'T effect the outcome of the election since that admission was made nearly two months ahead of the election.

Like I said, your severe partisanship makes you stupid.
sonicfilter

Indianapolis, IN

#931678 Jun 25, 2013
Supreme Court Guts The Voting Rights Act

The decision frees up those jurisdictions to change their voting laws without supervision. But the federal government still has the power to target a voting law in court, after it is passed, if it is suspected of having a discriminatory effect on a particular racial group.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/06/su...

now it's just a matter of which southern state gets hit with a federal lawsuit.

“fairtax.org”

Level 8

Since: Dec 08

gauley bridge wv

#931679 Jun 25, 2013
sonicfilter wrote:
<quoted text>
baby?
and yes, it's up for debate.
No, its not. Scientist have discovered through DNA mapping that as the sperm (1/2 cell) and egg (1/2 cell) merge to form a single cell the DNA is of the cell with no resemblance to the mother's or father's DNA. The DNA of this single cell has all the DNA to create the human that it will grow into. In other words it is a distant and separate life form upon the merger of the sperm and egg. But if you want to kill your future go right ahead.
Aunt Bettie Lou

Orlando, FL

#931680 Jun 25, 2013
sonicfilter wrote:
<quoted text>
"But you conveniently overlooked the part about "Democrats promoting and protecting Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac". And you conveniently overlooked the part about the "economy taking off after the Bush tax cuts". So, basically, you are wrong."
so let's start with how a Republican Congress somehow let Democrats protect F&F.
and then we can go on to how the Bush tax cuts did nothing for our economy. did plenty for China's economy, but a big failure at home.
The ratio of Republicans to Democrats who supported F&F and were on their payroll is miniscule in comparison.

It was a Republican Congressional hearing in 2004 that tried to rein in F&F. Every single Democrat was outraged.

An attempt at another tax cut which worked the first time was too late the second time when the house of cards had already collapsed.

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#931681 Jun 25, 2013
Whatever wrote:
<quoted text>
Concentrate.
Comment still stands Sonic was quoting from a comment section not a guardian article.
So?

Was the information incorrect?

Did Bush NOT promote his Ownership Society?

Did handing out tens of thousands of down payments to low income home buyers NOT contribute to the housing bubble collapse?

You hyper-partisans lose sight of all reason.

(That's why its so funny when Carol harps about being so "reasonable")

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