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sonicfilter

Indianapolis, IN

#874523 Mar 15, 2013
The Press Has Turned on Paul Ryan

His budget made the big mistake of betraying his cynicism

....Ryan figured out that, in the heat of an election, the average political reporter wasn’t going to bust him for even the most brazen whoppers and policy-reversals. The stories, such as they were, would be ghettoized in the fact-checking precincts of the media establishment—not exactly a common destination for the average voter. If the policy controversies seeped into front-page stories, they would usually be cloaked in the he-said/she-said vernacular of false equivalence.

Hence Ryan’s willingness during the campaign to attack Obama for “raiding” Medicare to the tune of $716 billion dollars, even though the budget he released earlier that year advocated the same thing. A typical Politico piece left the accusation of hypocrisy to an Obama spokesman—“Congressman Ryan knows that the $716 billion in Medicare savings that he included in two of his own budgets do not cut a single guaranteed Medicare benefit”—where it could, of course, be easily dismissed.(In fairness, some outlets like the Times did note the change in position themselves, but tended to do it in passing, far down in their pieces.)

But there’s one insight Ryan didn’t fully glean: You can treat politics like a game, and you can assume reporters will, too. But you can’t go so far as to admit it’s a game.

During the campaign, Ryan never broke character. When pressed on Medicare, he and his handlers would simply double-down:“Having already saddled the country with $5 trillion in new debt while cutting Medicare by $716 billion to pay for 'Obamacare,' President Obama cannot defend his broken promises,” an aide told the Times last August,“so he and his campaign are resorting to tired and misleading attacks.”

The problem with Ryan’s new budget—in which he reverts to his pre-campaign position on Medicare cuts—is that it more or less concedes the whole campaign, with its righteous defense of Medicare, was a charade. Among the Washington press corps, this is a major no-no. Depending on the circumstances, reporters may be happy to enable these reinventions, but they are loath to acknowledge their role in them. Ryan basically rubbed their noses in it. Even Politico, whose coverage most resembles ends-justifying scorekeeping, seemed to bridle at the transgression. The last five paragraphs of its main Ryan budget piece catalogued his history of Medicare flip-flops. The closing riff quoted a centrist budget wonk—the kind of person Ryan has made a career of courting—essentially outing him as full of it.

There’s a lesson in here for pols on the make: You can commit all manner of policy sins. If you’re earnest and charming, you can even attack your opponents for ideas over which you share paternity. But do not—I repeat, do not—show up the political media. Hell hath no fury like my fellow hacks spurned.

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Enoch Plays With Self

Sulaymaniyah, Iraq

#874524 Mar 15, 2013
Native Pride wrote:
I'm the real, Native Pride, who's been sleeping in my bed?
Just me and the blowup dolly Bro.
Hat Tip
new yawk

Salt Lake City, UT

#874525 Mar 15, 2013
Hello? Hello? Is anybody there? This is Angela Histrioni from Queens, you guys gotta do somthing about this girl on the Chicago thread, Barack Obama our next President, she's outta control, outta control I tell you! DO SOMETHING! This isn't right! It's not right! I just want a place where I can go and slander liberals, Obama and stuff, I never wanted anything like this! Do SOMETHING!

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carol

Orlando, FL

#874526 Mar 15, 2013
Maybe the coast is clear. It's hard to say.

But I'm beginning to think the imposters on here are on George Soros' payroll to disrupt this thread intentionally. Too many of us are hitting too close to home.

Wouldn't put it past the liberal propagandists to go that far.

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Native Pride

Salt Lake City, UT

#874527 Mar 15, 2013
Ah, but it IS I, old friend. Not sure where you were going with the head-camping thing though?
carol

Orlando, FL

#874528 Mar 15, 2013
I feel a lot safer now.

It's like a heavyweight has been lifted from my shoulders.

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new yawk

Tonawanda, NY

#874529 Mar 15, 2013
This is kind of funny.

I'm going to give it A Funny Judge It.

Tell me if it shows up in The Windows.

It shows up on mine ...

Just tone down the Histrionics. But I love the:
"she's outta control, outta control I tell you"!

And lose the: "I just want a place where I can go and slander liberals, Obama and stuff, I never wanted anything like this!
Do SOMETHING!"
I never ask for Help in Acheiving what I Myself Accomplish. Besides, I've got a place to slander "and stuff".
Right Here!

I mean, if you're in training to be ME,'ya gotta get it right, kid !!

Angelina Histrioni would have been funnier. Just a tip on helping you hone your creative writing skills.

Now, go get 'em, kitty-kat-kat !!!
FAKE new yawk wrote:
Hello? Hello? Is anybody there? This is Angela Histrioni from Queens, you guys gotta do somthing about this girl on the Chicago thread, Barack Obama our next President, she's outta control, outta control I tell you! DO SOMETHING! This isn't right! It's not right! I just want a place where I can go and slander liberals, Obama and stuff, I never wanted anything like this! Do SOMETHING!

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carol

Orlando, FL

#874530 Mar 15, 2013
sonicfilter wrote:
The Press Has Turned on Paul Ryan
His budget made the big mistake of betraying his cynicism
....Ryan figured out that, in the heat of an election, the average political reporter wasn’t going to bust him for even the most brazen whoppers and policy-reversals. The stories, such as they were, would be ghettoized in the fact-checking precincts of the media establishment—not exactly a common destination for the average voter. If the policy controversies seeped into front-page stories, they would usually be cloaked in the he-said/she-said vernacular of false equivalence.
Hence Ryan’s willingness during the campaign to attack Obama for “raiding” Medicare to the tune of $716 billion dollars, even though the budget he released earlier that year advocated the same thing. A typical Politico piece left the accusation of hypocrisy to an Obama spokesman—“Congressman Ryan knows that the $716 billion in Medicare savings that he included in two of his own budgets do not cut a single guaranteed Medicare benefit”—where it could, of course, be easily dismissed.(In fairness, some outlets like the Times did note the change in position themselves, but tended to do it in passing, far down in their pieces.)
But there’s one insight Ryan didn’t fully glean: You can treat politics like a game, and you can assume reporters will, too. But you can’t go so far as to admit it’s a game.
During the campaign, Ryan never broke character. When pressed on Medicare, he and his handlers would simply double-down:“Having already saddled the country with $5 trillion in new debt while cutting Medicare by $716 billion to pay for 'Obamacare,' President Obama cannot defend his broken promises,” an aide told the Times last August,“so he and his campaign are resorting to tired and misleading attacks.”
The problem with Ryan’s new budget—in which he reverts to his pre-campaign position on Medicare cuts—is that it more or less concedes the whole campaign, with its righteous defense of Medicare, was a charade. Among the Washington press corps, this is a major no-no. Depending on the circumstances, reporters may be happy to enable these reinventions, but they are loath to acknowledge their role in them. Ryan basically rubbed their noses in it. Even Politico, whose coverage most resembles ends-justifying scorekeeping, seemed to bridle at the transgression. The last five paragraphs of its main Ryan budget piece catalogued his history of Medicare flip-flops. The closing riff quoted a centrist budget wonk—the kind of person Ryan has made a career of courting—essentially outing him as full of it.
There’s a lesson in here for pols on the make: You can commit all manner of policy sins. If you’re earnest and charming, you can even attack your opponents for ideas over which you share paternity. But do not—I repeat, do not—show up the political media. Hell hath no fury like my fellow hacks spurned.
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/112654/pau... #
The New Republic (TNR) is a liberal American magazine of commentary on politics and the arts published continuously since 1914.

New Republic editor Michael Whitney Straight (1948 to 1956) was later discovered to be a spy for the KGB.

In 1995, writer Ruth Shalit was fired for repeated incidents of plagiarism and an excess of factual errors in her articles.

In 1998, features writer Stephen Glass was revealed in a Forbes Digital investigation to have fabricated a story called "Hack Heaven". An investigation found that most of Glass' stories had used or been based on fabricated information.

In July 2007, after The New Republic published an article by an American soldier in Iraq titled "Shock Troops," allegations of inadequate fact-checking were leveled against the magazine. Critics alleged that the piece contained inconsistent details indicative of fabrication.

So much for credibility when it comes to this article.

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new yawk

Tonawanda, NY

#874531 Mar 15, 2013
Then tell me, Old Friend, when did Native Pride the Conservative trade reason for madness?

Type the numbers you see in the image on the right: 6660
If one believes in "those things". Biblical Numerology and 666.

Just interesting that number came up in "the image" to type in.
Native Pride wrote:
Ah, but it IS I, old friend. Not sure where you were going with the head-camping thing though?

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Angelina San Pedro

Buenos Aires, Argentina

#874532 Mar 15, 2013
Jes. Jes, Senor, I remember her. She sat.. over there by the door to the Men's Room. Jes, she ordered pizza but her Spanish was so bad I thought she asked for carp. Shee began screaming at me in Italian so Fredo had to come out of the kitchen and clunk her with the iron pan. Jes... jes, she fell down then. Djour welcome.
Native Pride

Salt Lake City, UT

#874533 Mar 15, 2013
new yawk wrote:
Then tell me, Old Friend, when did Native Pride the Conservative trade reason for madness?
Type the numbers you see in the image on the right: 6660
If one believes in "those things". Biblical Numerology and 666.
Just interesting that number came up in "the image" to type in.
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It.. it was in my sweat lodge last weekend. It came to me in a dream that... I don't know how to say it... we sucked down about 12 peyote buttons each and the next thing you know I could see the entire conservative movement spread out before me on the prairie. In my dream they were all just pink assholes. No, I mean really, just puckered brownish pink anuses spread out as far as the eye could see. They were trying to say something to me, but I had to get out of there and I ran and ran like a deer chased by a ravening wolf.

Ever since then I've realized that I wasn't cut out to be a conservative. Well, old friend, there you have it.
Homer 2016

East Stroudsburg, PA

#874534 Mar 15, 2013
Look, I'm not here to argue.

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Homer 2016

East Stroudsburg, PA

#874535 Mar 15, 2013
carol wrote:
<quoted text>
The New Republic (TNR) is a liberal American magazine of commentary on politics and the arts published continuously since 1914.
New Republic editor Michael Whitney Straight (1948 to 1956) was later discovered to be a spy for the KGB.
In 1995, writer Ruth Shalit was fired for repeated incidents of plagiarism and an excess of factual errors in her articles.
In 1998, features writer Stephen Glass was revealed in a Forbes Digital investigation to have fabricated a story called "Hack Heaven". An investigation found that most of Glass' stories had used or been based on fabricated information.
In July 2007, after The New Republic published an article by an American soldier in Iraq titled "Shock Troops," allegations of inadequate fact-checking were leveled against the magazine. Critics alleged that the piece contained inconsistent details indicative of fabrication.
So much for credibility when it comes to this article.
Sounds like reading or watching any 'news' story from Fox News, best to view with a ton of skepticism.

***Public service message***

~Always fact check news stories from Fox News~

***End transmission***

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GOPIdiots

Pompano Beach, FL

#874536 Mar 15, 2013
carol wrote:
Maybe the coast is clear. It's hard to say.
But I'm beginning to think the imposters on here are on George Soros' payroll to disrupt this thread intentionally. Too many of us are hitting too close to home.
Wouldn't put it past the liberal propagandists to go that far.
A histrionically paranoid boob like you would believe that.

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Homer 2016

East Stroudsburg, PA

#874537 Mar 15, 2013
GOPIdiots wrote:
<quoted text>
A histrionically paranoid boob like you would believe that.
'histrionically paranoid boob', you just tagged every rightwinger on this thread.

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Homer 2016

East Stroudsburg, PA

#874538 Mar 15, 2013
carol wrote:
I feel a lot safer now.
It's like a heavyweight has been lifted from my shoulders.
Passed a little gas?

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sonicfilter

Indianapolis, IN

#874539 Mar 15, 2013
carol wrote:
<quoted text>
The New Republic (TNR) is a liberal American magazine of commentary on politics and the arts published continuously since 1914.
lol

The Ryan Budget’s Sigh of Resignation

Writing in the New Republic, in 2005, less than a year after the reelection of George W. Bush had left many liberals feeling that they’d lost the “war of ideas,” Jonathan Chait, as ever contrary, insisted that there was no need for “new” ideas. The old ones, so to speak, were just fine. What the center-left lacked was the power to enact them:

It’s one thing for Democrats to sketch out the sort of alternatives they would prefer if they ran Washington. But, as long as Republicans do run Washington—and certainly as long as Bush sits in the Oval Office—doing nothing is often going to be the best available scenario for liberals. Emphasizing the downside of bad change rather than the upside of positive change reflects political necessity, not intellectual failure.

I thought of Chait’s piece as I read through House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan’s latest annual budget resolution, otherwise known as “The Path to Prosperity.” If you pulled Ryan aside and threw the Lasso of Truth around him, I imagine he’d say something very like what Chait expressed in 2005:“I like my ideas. I could have done a lot more to realize them if I were vice president. But for now, I have to wait.”

The Ryan budget has two overarching policy objectives: 1) Entitlement reform: specifically, putting a limit on Medicare’s annual budget and giving states a lot more flexibility over their Medicaid rolls; and 2) radically simplifying the tax code.

Ryan is no fool; he knows there is no chance the Obama administration will accept Medicare premium support or Medicaid block-granting. But it’s what he believes should be done, and so he’s proposing it as a matter of course. There is, however, a sliver of hope that Republicans will reach an agreement with Obama on tax reform. As Ezra Klein has noticed, Ryan’s budget is vaguer in this area than it had been. A top tax rate of 25 percent is not a hard plank, but rather a “goal” he’d like Congress to “achieve.”

Add that wiggle room to Ryan’s remark yesterday that he has no desire to relitigate the fiscal cliff battle over revenue, and you have a white smoke signal that says,“On taxes, we might be able to do some business.”

Some of my favorite Ryan-watchers, like Ross Douthat and James Pethokoukis, had clearly been hoping that Ryan would produce something fresher and less straitened than he did. I appreciate where they’re coming from, and yet, perhaps too charitably, I’m reading in the Ryan Budget 3.0 a Chait-like sigh of resignation—of resignation to, as he has put it more than once since losing in November, the “reality of divided government.”

Aside from its base-stroking unrealism about a balanced budget in 10 years, there is a subtle sort of realism about this new Ryan budget. In its very lack of creative “new ideas,” there is an admission that “The Path to Prosperity” no longer has the magic-rabbit power it had after the 2010 midterm election. It’s a budget document scarcely worth more than the PDF pixels in which it’s displayed.

I think Ryan knows this, and expended very little effort to hide the fact.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/the-ry...

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GOPIdiots

Pompano Beach, FL

#874540 Mar 15, 2013
Homer 2016 wrote:
<quoted text>Sounds like reading or watching any 'news' story from Fox News, best to view with a ton of skepticism.
***Public service message***
~Always fact check news stories from Fox News~
***End transmission***
Carol turns off critical filter when she turns on FOX.

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sonicfilter

Indianapolis, IN

#874541 Mar 15, 2013
This is a question that most conservatives seem not to have thought about at all. Why do conservatives think inequality has risen over the last four decades? What caused middle-class wage stagnation? Is it that the government is too big and tax rates are too high? If so, why was inequality lower and wage growth stronger back when tax rates were higher?

Middle class wages seem to be stagnating for reasons that the government cannot fix by cutting spending. Republicans' failure to grapple with this truth has led them to advance a budget proposal that only makes the problem worse.

Democrats, meanwhile, have an agenda to deal with widening inequality: a stronger safety net (actually stronger, not "stronger" in the Orwellian sense that Ryan uses the word) financed by higher taxes on people with high incomes.

Soul-searching Republicans have identified lots of problems with the party: "tone," an inability to relate to minorities, actual and perceived retrograde positions on social issues, a loss of credibility on foreign policy. These are all very real problems. But they pale in comparison to the fact that the party's economic agenda, as embodied in the latest Ryan budget, is simply terrible for the vast majority of Americans.

It's like the 1930s all over again: Republicans will be a minority party until they realize they must change their economic agenda to better serve more Americans.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-14/paul...

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Since: Feb 08

Spokane, WA

#874542 Mar 15, 2013
Homer 2016 wrote:
<quoted text>Not what DBWriter has left, basically we have Galt, Carol, Flack, Eman and Jimmy/Gunner/Waxatard with his stable of sock puppets. Although once in awhile some new rightwing retard will stumble in to post their racist and/or homophobic and/or anti-women rant.
"homo"
We do not have to wait for another right winger to spew his/her racist crap. The thread has the phoney, hypocrite, racist, you,
homo.
Peace
KMA

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