PRESUMED GUILTY: inside casey anthony case JOSE BAEZ

[Rambler]

2 days wrote:

in presumed guilty - chapter 14: WHAT HAPPENED ON JUNE 16,2008 -- baez puts strong emphasis on the post-3:00 phone records....particularly 3:04.
here is what we know about the phone records.....
2:52pm Casey gets call from Jesse 2:52-3:02
3:03pm Casey calls George
3:04pm Casey gets call from George. 25 seconds.
www.wftv.com/pdf/20224461/detail.html
source: george fbi interview
page 83
GA: Maybe she was at the house......we found out she used to bring guys to our house when we weren't there.
We have no knowledge.......when my wife and I leave for our work shift whatever it is we're gone.
I guess she was bringing this Jesse back to our house.
page 91
GA: But you know.. Jesse was always in our daughter's life. Our daughter was starting to get very, very concerned with him just showing up for some reason.
At different places she would be and she said, "I never contacted him. He's there and I don't know why."
Was he following her? Was..I don't know.
FBI: Was this in the last month or so?
GA: Oh yeah..
FBI: Two months?
GA: The last two, three months yeah he was just stalking, even her friends that she would meet.
**********
it looks to me like someone wanted to be sure george was at work and not coming home.
it appears jesse was coming around only at times her parents weren't there -- which would explain why caylee knew "jesse's truck".
perhaps june 16, 2008 was no different.
jesse said maybe caylee choked on a piece of dogfood or "slipped coming out of the pool".
was jesse there when caylee drowned

In one of the tips, link to which I posted earlier, a psychic had a vision that Casey, her parents AND another male were all involved in Caylee's death.

Surprise, surprise!

Instead George took it upon himself to become the scapegoat for all of them - all innocent - something what a good and strong ex- cop might do!

I bet that knocked the socks off long-shot Grund, eh?

[Rambler]

2 days wrote:

<quoted text> i have yet to see jesse call george a liar.
source: george fbi interview
page 83
GA: Maybe she was at the house......we found out she used to bring guys to our house when we weren't there.
We have no knowledge.......when my wife and I leave for our work shift whatever it is we're gone.
I guess she was bringing this Jesse back to our house.
page 91
GA: But you know.. Jesse was always in our daughter's life. Our daughter was starting to get very, very concerned with him just showing up for some reason.
At different places she would be and she said, "I never contacted him. He's there and I don't know why."
Was he following her? Was..I don't know.
FBI: Was this in the last month or so?
GA: Oh yeah..
FBI: Two months?
GA: The last two, three months yeah he was just stalking, even her friends that she would meet.
"THERE'S JESSE'S TRUCK, JO-JO"

George Anthony is the fall-guy in Jose Baez's book, remember?

And here you are quoting the FBI interview with the very same unreliable suspect.

So if it was George who done it -- according to Jose Baez, OF COURSE HE WOULD HAVE TRIED TO POINT INVESTIGATOR'S AWAY FROM HIS OWN GUILT, you dingbat!

[2 days]

Rambler wrote:

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In one of the tips, link to which I posted earlier, a psychic had a vision that Casey, her parents AND another male were all involved in Caylee's death.

and the psychic should be shot on sight.

r. grund had an "open vision" of a large angel-human man, picking up caylee's motionless body and carrying her away.

maybe the figure he saw was his very own righteous angelic son?

WAS JESSE THERE WHEN CAYLEE DROWNED?

[Rambler]

2 days wrote:

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and the psychic should be shot on sight.
r. grund had an "open vision" of a large angel-human man, picking up caylee's motionless body and carrying her away.
maybe the figure he saw was his very own righteous angelic son?
WAS JESSE THERE WHEN CAYLEE DROWNED?

If Jesse was present and Richard Grund knows he was, then obviously Richard Grund was there too in order to know! So why did the Rev lie to authorities and claim he hadn't seen Caylee since Jesse's police grad six months previous?

You're crazy if you think RG can keep a distance from Caylee's murder and at the same time implicate Jesse.

Foolish "open visions" was his best shot, which only serve to implicate himself! A jury might conclude RG is referring to his very own personal 10-12 foot quardian angel who did the deed and who he also referred to in Dark Waters -- that sort of behavior is a known trait of a psycho who thinks he is so brilliant in escaping notice, yet can't resiist dropping leading clues.

[2 days]

Rambler wrote:

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George Anthony is the fall-guy in Jose Baez's book, remember?
And here you are quoting the FBI interview with the very same unreliable suspect.
So if it was George who done it -- according to Jose Baez, OF COURSE HE WOULD HAVE TRIED TO POINT INVESTIGATOR'S AWAY FROM HIS OWN GUILT, you dingbat!

but george isn't guilty - so no, he wasn't pointing the fbi away from his own guilt.

by the end of the book, george isn't as bad as he was made to sound and baez cuts him loose.

....but the phone records still stand, dingbat.

;-)

[2 days]

in presumed guilty - in what would be page 13 in the photo section - there is a photo of dr. henry lee, cheney mason, baez, richard & selma eikelenboom, dr. tim huntington and nick petraco.

the experts are sitting around a conference table and seem to be focused on dr. eikelenboom, who is working a laptop.

also on the table is a ipad tablet -- prominently displaying a picture of the gas can, containing the crudely applied rare henkel duct tape -- which george denies applying.

also in that tablet photo, there appears to be a photo of that same gas can - on a shelf - with a much smaller and neater piece of ordinary duct tape.

this was prolly the piece george said he put on the can.

very interesting!!

if wack-packers can stage a crime scene -- they could easily stage a freakin' gas can.

BAM!!

[Rambler]

2 days wrote:

<quoted text>
but george isn't guilty - so no, he wasn't pointing the fbi away from his own guilt.
by the end of the book, george isn't as bad as he was made to sound and baez cuts him loose.
....but the phone records still stand, dingbat.
;-)

Well you'd know my personal opinion is steadfast that Casey and Caylee last left the Anthony home on June 9th and not June 16th so whoever cellphone records were rewritten into the storyline as to who said and who did what will become meaningless in the future Grund murder and conspiracy trial.

[FUN_SIZE]

Rambler wrote:

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Well you'd know my personal opinion is steadfast that Casey and Caylee last left the Anthony home on June 9th and not June 16th

your personal opinion.....

so what? who cares?

they both left the house alive on june 16, 2008 at 12:50 p.m.

caylee drowned sometime after that date and time.

caylee's original shoes & clothing were destroyed.

a band of unnamed wack-packers staged the discovery crime scene with outgrown clothing and a boys pull up.

WAS JESSE THERE WHEN CAYLEE DROWNED?

how about his roommate?

we also didn't hear the roomie's answer to the recurring question.

coincidence?

[The Real DianeAx]

2 days wrote:

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and the psychic should be shot on sight.
r. grund had an "open vision" of a large angel-human man, picking up caylee's motionless body and carrying her away.
maybe the figure he saw was his very own righteous angelic son?
WAS JESSE THERE WHEN CAYLEE DROWNED?

Isn't an angel-human a nephilim?

[WAS sanka]

The Real DianeAx wrote:

<quoted text> Isn't an angel-human a nephilim?

Doubt you would know about either.

[FUN_SIZE]

The Real DianeAx wrote:

<quoted text> Isn't an angel-human a nephilim?

no......it's a deflection.

[Rambler]

FUN_SIZE wrote:

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your personal opinion.....
so what? who cares?
they both left the house alive on june 16, 2008 at 12:50 p.m.
caylee drowned sometime after that date and time.
caylee's original shoes & clothing were destroyed.
a band of unnamed wack-packers staged the discovery crime scene with outgrown clothing and a boys pull up.
WAS JESSE THERE WHEN CAYLEE DROWNED?
how about his roommate?
we also didn't hear the roomie's answer to the recurring question.
coincidence?

According to AN5 on the afternoon of June16th, Jesse was at the courthouse testifying while on duty for the OPD. So unless you think he snuck Caylee in and hung her from the gallows he has an ironclad alibi.

Jesse's roommate? You mean the 50ish treasure for Richard Grund's bible companies who coincidently has a black belt in karate according to Richard Grund? Does he exist, or was he a fill in the blank name to fill the role of an imaginary treasurer? Why would he be sharing an apartment with a kid in his 20s, an Xbox hero?

I don't imagine it's entirely unusual for unscupulous people to add fictitious names to fill capacities in their business dealings to make it appear above board. But if he does exist, I'd expect he disputed the Grund storyline because LE certainly would have contacted him to verify the shower story and no such interview was ever released. Maybe Rich+ard Grund is not such a lofty actor after all? LOL

[Tired of Silly]

2 days wrote:

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and the psychic should be shot on sight.
r. grund had an "open vision" of a large angel-human man, picking up caylee's motionless body and carrying her away.
maybe the figure he saw was his very own righteous angelic son?
WAS JESSE THERE WHEN CAYLEE DROWNED?

No one was present when Caylee drowned, because she didn't drown. She was murdered by her skankpig mother. her ability to breath was cut off with duct tape, and the pig watched her suffocate, then tossed her in the woods like garbage. Accept reality and get on with your life. Or just GET ONE for god's sake. The pig got away with killing her child, that should be enough to make you wackos happy!!!! Stop blaming people who were minor characters in the tawdry story of a slutty cow who killed her child so she could party.

[Book Reviews]

This is a great thread

minus all the filthy trolls writing jes to write filth. a few came jes because they had no one to write filth to so they buzzed on over. were ignored and left.

thanks for a good idiot free thread with disussions of the book and cases ONLY !

[Spooky Mulder]

Tired of Silly wrote:

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No one was present when Caylee drowned, because she didn't drown. She was murdered by her skankpig mother. her ability to breath was cut off with duct tape, and the pig watched her suffocate, then tossed her in the woods like garbage. Accept reality and get on with your life. Or just GET ONE for god's sake. The pig got away with killing her child, that should be enough to make you wackos happy!!!! Stop blaming people who were minor characters in the tawdry story of a slutty cow who killed her child so she could party.

Tired, you can take the boy out of the basement but not the basement mental out of the boy.

[tribe mom]

2 days wrote:

in presumed guilty - chapter 14: WHAT HAPPENED ON JUNE 16,2008 -- baez puts strong emphasis on the post-3:00 phone records....particularly 3:04.
here is what we know about the phone records.....
2:52pm Casey gets call from Jesse 2:52-3:02
3:03pm Casey calls George
3:04pm Casey gets call from George. 25 seconds.
www.wftv.com/pdf/20224461/detail.html
source: george fbi interview
page 83
GA: Maybe she was at the house......we found out she used to bring guys to our house when we weren't there.
We have no knowledge.......when my wife and I leave for our work shift whatever it is we're gone.
I guess she was bringing this Jesse back to our house.
page 91
GA: But you know.. Jesse was always in our daughter's life. Our daughter was starting to get very, very concerned with him just showing up for some reason.
At different places she would be and she said, "I never contacted him. He's there and I don't know why."
Was he following her? Was..I don't know.
FBI: Was this in the last month or so?
GA: Oh yeah..
FBI: Two months?
GA: The last two, three months yeah he was just stalking, even her friends that she would meet.
**********
it looks to me like someone wanted to be sure george was at work and not coming home.
it appears jesse was coming around only at times her parents weren't there -- which would explain why caylee knew "jesse's truck".
perhaps june 16, 2008 was no different.
jesse said maybe caylee choked on a piece of dogfood or "slipped coming out of the pool".
was jesse there when caylee drowned?

Choked on a piece of dog food? WTH? I never heard that one.

[tribe mom]

FUN_SIZE wrote:

<quoted text>
your personal opinion.....
so what? who cares?
they both left the house alive on june 16, 2008 at 12:50 p.m.
caylee drowned sometime after that date and time.
caylee's original shoes & clothing were destroyed.
a band of unnamed wack-packers staged the discovery crime scene with outgrown clothing and a boys pull up.
WAS JESSE THERE WHEN CAYLEE DROWNED?
how about his roommate?
we also didn't hear the roomie's answer to the recurring question.
coincidence?

Caylee didn't drown.

[marcemon]

Rambler wrote:

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According to AN5 on the afternoon of June16th, Jesse was at the courthouse testifying while on duty for the OPD. So unless you think he snuck Caylee in and hung her from the gallows he has an ironclad alibi.
Jesse's roommate? You mean the 50ish treasure for Richard Grund's bible companies who coincidently has a black belt in karate according to Richard Grund? Does he exist, or was he a fill in the blank name to fill the role of an imaginary treasurer? Why would he be sharing an apartment with a kid in his 20s, an Xbox hero?
I don't imagine it's entirely unusual for unscupulous people to add fictitious names to fill capacities in their business dealings to make it appear above board. But if he does exist, I'd expect he disputed the Grund storyline because LE certainly would have contacted him to verify the shower story and no such interview was ever released. Maybe Rich+ard Grund is not such a lofty actor after all? LOL

Isn't it nice that R Grund has his very own treasure? How lucky for him.

[twodays]

Rambler wrote:

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According to AN5....

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

an5 is nothing but a deflecting unamerican piece of dog crap.

not unlike yourself.

in presumed guilty, you and an5 would be known as "wack packers".

[twodays]

Tired of Silly wrote:

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No one was present when Caylee drowned, because she didn't drown.

PROVE IT!!

be sure to turn into msnbc in 15 minutes to watch the documentary: defending casey anthony