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Escort: Client raped me -- OrlandoSentinel.com

There are 90 comments on the Orlando Sentinel story from Jul 24, 2007, titled Escort: Client raped me -- OrlandoSentinel.com. In it, Orlando Sentinel reports that:

A 27-year-old man was arrested Sunday after an escort-service worker told police she was sexually battered by the client.

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deaths and taxes

New York, NY

#26 Jul 24, 2007
The real truth wrote:
Seems some people think it's perfectly fine to rape and beat a prostitute. Wow.
How about a couple that is going out on a date with the understanding between them that sex would be part of the date?
Let's say that they go out to dinner- the man spends hundreds of dollars in anticipation of sex with the woman, and for whatever reason, she changes her mind and says "NO".
Would the man be justified in raping and beating her because he spent all this money on her in anticipation of promised sex?
I surely hope the answer would be no, but if there are those who think it's okay to rape and beat prostitutes but not other women, you have serious problems, because, once again- whether a woman is a prostitute, a nun or a saint- it is WRONG to rape someone and to beat them.
But it seems like some people sure could use some sense beaten into them.
You need to calm the he11 down. NO ONE here is standing up and jeering for the man who raped her. NO ONE is condoning rape. NO ONE is condoning battery. They simply stated, in their opinions, it was blatantly obvious sex was expected.
The real truth

Saint Louis, MO

#27 Jul 24, 2007
Steven Read wrote:
Misogynist: A man who hates women as much as women hate one another.
H. L. Mencken
US editor (1880 - 1956)
Holly was a call girl and as O.J. Berman (Martin Balsam) labeled; "A bad investment. Among her paid duties was delivering coded messaged to a jailed mafia boss, while the male narc cops bought into Holly being guileless.
Holly's inability to trust was a cage of her own making and she beat the heads of others (including Pat Neal's "Kept Boy" Paul) against the bars.
Adjectives in your posting shift to revealing nouns.
Excuses (blame) will not heal your tortured mind.
Oh, and the word "misogyny"? While it can technically be used as a word to describe anyone who hates women (even if they are women themselves) it is most often used to describe men who hate women.
The real truth

Saint Louis, MO

#28 Jul 24, 2007
Steven Read wrote:
Misogynist: A man who hates women as much as women hate one another.
H. L. Mencken
US editor (1880 - 1956)
Holly was a call girl and as O.J. Berman (Martin Balsam) labeled; "A bad investment. Among her paid duties was delivering coded messaged to a jailed mafia boss, while the male narc cops bought into Holly being guileless.
Holly's inability to trust was a cage of her own making and she beat the heads of others (including Pat Neal's "Kept Boy" Paul) against the bars.
Adjectives in your posting shift to revealing nouns.
Excuses (blame) will not heal your tortured mind.
You know- I'm sitting here laughing out loud at you telling me that I have a "tortured mind". Too funny!

You see, I'M not the one who is trying to justify violence in general or in this case, violence against women!

That is YOU doing that, and boy oh boy, if that isn't symptomatic of someone who possesses a "tortured mind", I don't know what is.

LOL!!!

And there are plenty of women who have an inability to trust (using your example of Holly Golightly) who are not prostitutes anymore than the character of Holly was.
The real truth

Saint Louis, MO

#29 Jul 24, 2007
so much for common sense wrote:
Raping a woman (or man)is wrong no matter what.
Beating someone is equally wrong no matter what. HOWEVER, if an African_American guy walks into a White Power meeting and yells "Cracker!" and then gets beat up? What exactly did he think the outcome would be?
She does have the right to say no. But COMMON SENSE tells anyone that this type of outcome was predictable.
The outcome may have been predictable- but that doesn't make it okay, nor does it make her being raped and/or beaten any less of a crime.

And from the article, it doesn't even seem as if she had a chance to refund his money- even if she was inclined to do so, because as soon as she said "no" to sex, he raped her.

Again- it's important to bear in mind that rape is about VIOLENCE, POWER, ANGER and CONTROL and not about SEX.
Do not judge

Marietta, GA

#30 Jul 24, 2007
I have owned a tour guide/professional escort business in Orlando for the past 4 years. We cater to out of town/visiting business professionals, athletes and politicians as well as your regular schmoe. We do not engage in prostitution, although, we have been asked by a good percentage of our customers. Our ladies are beautiful as well as our men being hunks. All we do, is show these people a good time by taking them to high end restaurants, night spots, country clubs and they do their job well as eye candy . Orlando is a tourist destination and there is plenty to do without $ex. Granted, we are just one honest establishment, I cant imagine being the only one.
The real truth

Saint Louis, MO

#32 Jul 24, 2007
Steven Read wrote:
Misogynist: A man who hates women as much as women hate one another.
H. L. Mencken
US editor (1880 - 1956)
Holly was a call girl and as O.J. Berman (Martin Balsam) labeled; "A bad investment. Among her paid duties was delivering coded messaged to a jailed mafia boss, while the male narc cops bought into Holly being guileless.
Holly's inability to trust was a cage of her own making and she beat the heads of others (including Pat Neal's "Kept Boy" Paul) against the bars.
Adjectives in your posting shift to revealing nouns.
Excuses (blame) will not heal your tortured mind.
And btw, H.L. Mencken is not the final authority by any means on the definition of words.

While a misogynist could be a woman who hates women, it is most often typically used to define a man who hates women.

It's quite obvious that Mencken's "definition" was said tongue-in-cheek.
The real truth

Saint Louis, MO

#33 Jul 24, 2007
Steven Read wrote:
Misogynist: A man who hates women as much as women hate one another.
H. L. Mencken
US editor (1880 - 1956)
Holly was a call girl and as O.J. Berman (Martin Balsam) labeled; "A bad investment. Among her paid duties was delivering coded messaged to a jailed mafia boss, while the male narc cops bought into Holly being guileless.
Holly's inability to trust was a cage of her own making and she beat the heads of others (including Pat Neal's "Kept Boy" Paul) against the bars.
Adjectives in your posting shift to revealing nouns.
Excuses (blame) will not heal your tortured mind.
Don't know if you're flagging any of my responses to you or not- all I know is several of them keep disappearing....no matter.

I am not the one with a tortured mind because I am not the one trying to justify rape or claim that it's excusable- it is YOU who is making excuses for a woman having been raped.

Then you ramble on some sort of stream of consciousness about adjectives shifting to revealing nouns.....whatever.

The bottom line is that under NO circumstances is the rape of another person acceptable or justifiable.

Quit arguing about it. Thank God the law knows whose behavior was totally unacceptable- that would be the guy accused of raping the woman- as he is now sitting in jail in lieu of posting bail.

Once again- this is a no-brainer, but then again, one DOES need a brain to realize that.

And if you ARE flagging my posts as offensive or inappropriate, then that would indicate you are "sensitive" and one would think you would be at least somewhat sensitive to a woman being raped- whether she is a prostitute or not.
The real truth

Saint Louis, MO

#34 Jul 24, 2007
deaths and taxes wrote:
<quoted text>
You need to calm the he11 down. NO ONE here is standing up and jeering for the man who raped her. NO ONE is condoning rape. NO ONE is condoning battery. They simply stated, in their opinions, it was blatantly obvious sex was expected.
I don't need to calm the hell down- every comment except mine all indicate that what did she expect? The comments also seem to indicate that it's her own fault she was raped and that it really doesn't matter much because she is (supposedly) a prostitute. The fact that sex was "expected" and not delivered does not justify her being raped.

Sex was expected- fine. Sex wasn't delivered. That's fine too. Raping the woman was not.
The real truth

Saint Louis, MO

#35 Jul 24, 2007
deaths and taxes wrote:
<quoted text>
You need to calm the he11 down. NO ONE here is standing up and jeering for the man who raped her. NO ONE is condoning rape. NO ONE is condoning battery. They simply stated, in their opinions, it was blatantly obvious sex was expected.
"Escorts are prostitutes. Anyone can see this. What did she expect? Met client at a motel where he paid come on. She put herself into that position. She should have been put in jail along with her pimp/boyfriend."

FYI, this was the first post to this story on this blog.

And all comments pretty much say the same thing, much like saying a woman who dresses provocatively and then gets raped deserves it, because after all, "what did she expect?"

Please- we don't even know if she was given the chance to return the guy's money- all we know is that when she said "no", he jumped on her.

And all I'm seeing are posts attempting to excuse such brutish behavior.

The real truth

Saint Louis, MO

#36 Jul 24, 2007
Do not judge wrote:
I have owned a tour guide/professional escort business in Orlando for the past 4 years. We cater to out of town/visiting business professionals, athletes and politicians as well as your regular schmoe. We do not engage in prostitution, although, we have been asked by a good percentage of our customers. Our ladies are beautiful as well as our men being hunks. All we do, is show these people a good time by taking them to high end restaurants, night spots, country clubs and they do their job well as eye candy . Orlando is a tourist destination and there is plenty to do without $ex. Granted, we are just one honest establishment, I cant imagine being the only one.
And no doubt you're not the only honest establishment, and there's a very good chance that Bare Essentials is also on the level.

And yes, people will pay money for an escort- for that purpose only- to be an escort or to have a companion to talk to or whatever else that might not involve sex.

Some people can't seem to grasp that concept.

And maybe she did say she'd have sex with him and then changed her mind. If the company is reputable, he could have acted like a civilized person and contacted the company about a refund for services that were not delivered.

My original point- and really my ONLY point- was that under NO circumstances is rape justified, even if sex WAS expected and even if the woman WAS a prostitute.

Thanks very much for your enlightening post. Well said.
Steven Read

Orlando, FL

#37 Jul 24, 2007
Stripper & escort Crystal Gail Mangum made the same allegations in the Duke scandal. The prosecutor (Nifong) there went for the easy money from the Dept. of Justice and the State. Funny thing is, once the real truth came out Crystal Gail Magnum was not arrested and tried for perjury & false filing. Wonder why that is?
Steven Read

Orlando, FL

#38 Jul 24, 2007
When the real truth became known about the Duke scandal accuser stripper & escort Crystal Gail Mangum she faced no well deserved criminal charges. Wonder why that is?
Blah Blah Blah

Orlando, FL

#39 Jul 24, 2007
The real truth has way to much time on her hands......She also seems to think an awful lot of herself and opinion(s).
ECW

Palm Coast, FL

#40 Jul 25, 2007
Did you guys not pay any attention to the Duke Lacross rape case? Until someone is actually convicted, you should not publish the "innocent until proven guilty in a court of law" persons name either.

"The Orlando Sentinel generally does not publish the names of alleged victims of sexual abuse."

Get my point? The quote above is as if the O.S. is proud to announce it is trying to protect the identity of the accuser, but to hell with the identity of the other guy? This is nuts!
so much for common sense

Miami, FL

#41 Jul 25, 2007
Not to condone rape or beatings, but all the guy has to say in court is "I paid her for sex. She took the money for sex. She came to my hotel room for sex. She agreed to the sex and now is crying rape? I wonder how long it will be before the civil suit is filed?"

Whether true or not, if I was on that jury, I couldn't convict him. By her own actions she has created reasonable doubt.
The real truth

Saint Louis, MO

#42 Jul 25, 2007
Blah Blah Blah wrote:
The real truth has way to much time on her hands......She also seems to think an awful lot of herself and opinion(s).
Well gee- thanks for your constructive contribution to this topic.

Secondly, uh....yeah- I do like myself and I see nothing wrong with that, so therefore I don't have any self-esteem issues. It would seem that ideally, everyone should like themselves and also think highly of themselves....and my opinions? Well, they're my opinions, and who offers an opinion that they don't think has merit?

I guess those with low self-esteem, but that's not an issue for me.

As far as the time I have on my hands- that's really not any of your business nor is it your place to judge, is it?
The real truth

Saint Louis, MO

#43 Jul 25, 2007
so much for common sense wrote:
Not to condone rape or beatings, but all the guy has to say in court is "I paid her for sex. She took the money for sex. She came to my hotel room for sex. She agreed to the sex and now is crying rape? I wonder how long it will be before the civil suit is filed?"
Whether true or not, if I was on that jury, I couldn't convict him. By her own actions she has created reasonable doubt.
While she may have initially agreed to sex, if she changed her mind, and the guy forced himself on her after she said no, then that would qualify as rape. And from the story, it doesn't sound as if she even had the chance to give the guy his money back, so....
The real truth

Saint Louis, MO

#44 Jul 25, 2007
I'm not saying this woman is any kind of saint or anything- I just find it a bit dismaying that most comments seem to indicate that if she was raped it was her own fault and what else did she expect?

I never said anyone is taking the side of the accused, but I also haven't seen anyone offer even one little word of sympathy or compassion for this woman, as it seems most people think that if she was raped, it was her own damn fault.

I'm done with this topic except for a few final comments- rape under any circumstances is wrong, and IF she was raped she will be well within her rights to prosecute to the fullest extent of the law.

(And the guy can go to small claims court to sue for his unrefunded $200.)
John Coctostan

Casselberry, FL

#45 Jul 25, 2007
Hookers' Rights Now! More Compassion for Whores!

The real truth seems to enjoy posting multiple times to one reply, and rambling on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on...

38 Posts up to this point, and the real truth accounts for over half of them easily. Quite impressive. You can say The real truth effectively raped this thread. Which we all know is wrong under ALL circumstances.

Except when it's right.
eightball

Okeechobee, FL

#47 Jul 25, 2007
What trailer park is she from? Escort service-ya right. Call a hooker a hooker and be done with it. Tramp bit**.

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