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May 15, 2009
 
Scripture is clear on the fact that pastors are chosen from among their people, in other words, they are mere human beings like us. In this light, I see no reason why we should be trumpeting their weaknesses as if they are extra-ordinary people. They need our prayers and support especially in moments such as these. They have spent all their lives making all kinds of sacrifices on our behalf; they have been so inspiring and supporting to us in many ways, so why can't we encourage them when their human nature fail them.
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Come On!!! I could understand the catholic priest being with a woman much better than these guys who commit adultery. The rules of abstinence for catholic priest is unnatural and I think it's stupid.

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This is a different animal. This wreaks of dishonor and lack of self control. What does the bible say about a priest?

1Ti 3:1 It is a true saying that if someone wants to be an elder,[fn] he desires an honorable responsibility.
1Ti 3:2 For an elder must be a man whose life cannot be spoken against. He must be faithful to his wife.[fn] He must exhibit self-control, live wisely, and have a good reputation. He must enjoy having guests in his home and must be able to teach.
1Ti 3:3 He must not be a heavy drinker or be violent. He must be gentle, peace loving, and not one who loves money.
1Ti 3:4 He must manage his own family well, with children who respect and obey him.
1Ti 3:5 For if a man cannot manage his own household, how can he take care of God's church?

It goes on to say more but you get the gist and if you don't all you have to do is read 1st Timothy.

I say, these churches and the people who run them look the other way in order to pull in the big bucks off of the guy they put in the pulpit. It's greed! Pure and simple.

Zachery Tims did the same thing. I was dumbfounded to see him back up and running in short order. Wife left him, something about a woman pregnant with his child, many of the church members scattered but there he is back in TV Land preaching and teaching and collecting? I believe he is a very annointed man, but i also believe that those around him and this guy in this article have built them up to be more than human because they are blinded by the money they bring in. I say, if they can't fit into the mold set by God as written in the bible then they don't belong leading a church. It is THIS kind of junk that made me seek a me/thee relationship with God and not rely on these fools to lead/teach me.
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May 15, 2009
 
Scripture is clear that we are clay. We are human. We are frail. And the worst thing we can do as Believers is to turn against our own without the proper process of healing and restoration. If the Bible is true, and I'm convinced it is the inspired Word of God, then we can learn much from the life of King David. A man after God's own heart who too was restored after His own repentance for lying, adultery and even murder.

Pastor Moya's story is not over. If he desires the healing and restoration for his life, then there are many more pages for the glory of God yet to be written.

Instead of condemnation ... we MUST focus on the only One who is perfect ... our Heavenly Father and pray for our fallen brother and his family. God is a God of healing and restoration!
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May 15, 2009
 
I am not saying what Pastor Moya was right but that is the problem with the Christian Faith, we get rid of people instead of help people heal. Listen to the hateful statements from the governing board (We are distancing ourselves from Pastor Moya) wow what amazes me is that what if Jesus distanced himself from each member of the church. Sorry but it's time for Christians to grow up and react with certainty not a scripted ploy of how society knows you are going to act. This is a sin itself and each member of this church that did not step up and receive the Pastor as a brother that needs help, will pay dearly when their judgement comes.
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May 15, 2009
 
This is a problem that has existed from the beginning of the physical organized church. We live in the age of Superstar Pastors and unfortunately the fame that comes along with this does bring temptations that would affect anyone human. BUT setting oneself up as a recognized leader means finding ways to avoid giving in to that temmptation. Billy Graham once said that even in the early days of his ministry, he did his best to avoid any possibility of ever being alone with a woman who was not his wife, even to the point of having his male staff enter and search his hotel room prior to him entering it if his wife was not with him and then making sure that once he entered, no one else joined him. Even the appearance of something that might be taken out of context had to be avoided.

I do not know anything about this pastor, but I know he can be forgiven and perhaps get his own life back to normal after time and counseling. BUT one of the precepts of leadership is that one must take responsibility for their own actions and along with that responsibility is to accept the consequences. It can't just be oh, well - we forgive and forget about it. I don't mean that others have the right to constantly point fingers of judgement and hate, but that his leadership ability is now compromised to the point of destruction and he did it to himself and he must accept that and find a new way to support himself.

When the focus of any church group becomes the superstar pastor and not the word of God and service to each other as children of God - there will most definitely come problems of many types, including this.
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May 15, 2009
 
The qualifications of the bishop/elder/pastor are found in 1 Timothy 3:1-7: "This is a faithful saying: If a man desires the position of a bishop, he desires a good work. A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach; not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money, but gentle, not quarrelsome, not covetous; one who rules his own house well, having his children in submission with all reverence (for if a man does not know how to rule his own house, how will he take care of the church of God?); not a novice, lest being puffed up with pride he fall into the same condemnation as the devil. Moreover he must have a good testimony among those who are outside, lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil."
The Apostle Paul repeats these qualifications of a bishop/elder/pastor (the same Greek word "episkopos" is used) in his letter to Titus. "For this reason I left you in Crete, that you should set in order the things that are lacking, and appoint elders in every city as I commanded you—if a man is blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of dissipation or insubordination. For a bishop must be blameless, as a steward of God, not self-willed, not quick-tempered, not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money, but hospitable, a lover of what is good, sober-minded, just, holy, self-controlled, holding fast the faithful word as he has been taught, that he may be able, by sound doctrine, both to exhort and convict those who contradict." (Titus 1:5-9).
Yes, Moya is a human being, but that doesnt excuse his behaviour. We need to be very careful of false prophets in pulpits.
I believe the Church should help Tommy Moya and aid him is restoration, However, I do not believe he should return as Pastor of this Church.
I pray for this man, I pray for the congregation which has looked up to this man and idolized him.
This is why we should look at Christ and not at man. I think where Moya started to mess up is when he entered the prosperity gospel. At one point in time in a church service, he stated "I hope a member of this congregation hits the loterry and blesses me with an airplane to reach the nations" We dont need no airplane to preach the Gospel.
Let's just pray for him, God can restore anyone.
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May 15, 2009
 
Ohh... and I forgot:

Galatians 6:7-9 (New International Version)

7Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. 8The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature[a]will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. 9Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up.

The only reason, this brother came clean is because he got caught. I think God has done this for a purpose.

I mean, as a minister; for you to get up in the pulpit and preach about repentance and you, yourself is cheating on your wife with a member of your Church???

We as a people need to wake up. Christ is coming soon, and we need to make sure we are not only preaching the gospel but living it. We cannot fool God.

When Joseph was tempted by his masters wife, he RAN AWAY FROM SIN... God wants us all to do the same.

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May 15, 2009
 
By any chance, is this pastor part of Jimmy Swaggart ministries?
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May 15, 2009
 
It's an unfortunate situation. This has been another low blow to the church body, and it's image. I do believe that the Lord will deal with him accordingly. I know that healing will come, along with restoration. This just reminds us that as human beings, we all fall short. We miss the mark. Why? Because we are not perfect. We confront so many different things in life, and if we don't surrender all the areas of our hearts, and minds, we can be susceptible to many things. One of them being temptation.

What compels me about Christ so much was the fact that everywhere he went, his mind was set of doing the will of his father. I think that's something that all ministers alike, including myself, should continuously strive for. It's not solely accomplishing our life’s goals and dreams. It's not even about looking forward to reaping the benefits that we receive in Christ. It should be simply to fulfill the will of God the father for the betterment of the kingdom, and his individual will for our lives.

Too many ministers are distracted now-a-days. They have other things on their minds. For example; Financials, fame, power, etc. When anything else gets in the way of the sole purpose of ones ministry (which is to do the will of God the father) there are risks, and the possibilities of a rude awakening increase.

We have to subtract ourselves from the equation, and make it all about Jesus. I agree with some posts regarding the fact that "superstardom" has plagued the church. It's unfortunate, but true. Now, at the same time, we have to remember that ones faults and failures are judged by God. I don't condone what brother Moya did, and how it all turned out, but, I'm not going to place my foot on his back while he's down and push him further into the ground.

This is a critical moment in his life, and his family's as-well. In time we will see who Tommy Moya really is. I'm going to give GOD the benefit of the doubt though. Why? Because if Tommy Moya repents, and surrenders his heart and mind to God...who are we to determine what becomes of him? God never rejects a heart that is humbled and contrite.

To my knowledge; He was a good man, who accomplished many things. A good pastor, and a good friend. His fall from grace just reminds us that humanity = imperfection. Let us not criticize, for the work that the Holy Spirit starts in someone, he will ultimately complete it.

I am especially praying for his family. Many people are putting all the focus on brother Moya, but what about his wife? Behind every great man, there is an extraordinary woman. If Moya reached the heights and status that he did, it was because he had the support of a great woman. I pray for the Lord to give her strength, wisdom, and courage. Courage to face the outcome of all of this. Courage to forgive. Courage in accepting a man who is emotionally and spiritually sick right now. I pray for the Lord to use her in a mighty way. If they all put themselves in God’s hands, his strength will be perfected in them.

From one minister to another; My heart goes out to you Tommy Moya. May you find Christ in this situation, and may you cling to the hem of his garment.

Remember; The Church belongs to Christ, and he will always glorify himself. Though this is a painful moment, I expect greater things for the church. Why? Because Jesus is coming soon.

God bless you all,

Shalom
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Personally I see a "red-flag" whenever someone choses to name their ministry after THEMSELVES.
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May 15, 2009
 
Just like the bible prophecies how many false prophets and hipocritical reverends or better yet, wolves in sheeps clothing exists in so many churches. These are the well dressed, perfectly coiffed devils that will have to answer to God one day for leading their flocks astray. How can anyone lead a church, preach the gospel, and commit adultery? For those that really and truly want to find God, ask for the true church in your prayers. You will find it like I did.
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May 15, 2009
 
God has mercy of the humble and meek.
HUMBLE. We must all learn to place others before our own desires. Jesus did. Our best exampple should be at home, wife,children and our parents. We fall so short there sometimes. God is love. He is A JUST GOD. JUSTICE AND LOVE. HE does not conceal ANYones sin. REPENT AND BE HUMBLE> IT WILL HAPPEN TO YOU TOO> HE IS NOT GOING TO BE FOOLED>
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May 15, 2009
 
TALI wrote:
The qualifications of the bishop/elder/pastor are found in 1 Timothy 3:1-7: "This is a faithful saying: If a man desires the position of a bishop, he desires a good work. A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach; not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money, but gentle, not quarrelsome, not covetous; one who rules his own house well, having his children in submission with all reverence (for if a man does not know how to rule his own house, how will he take care of the church of God?); not a novice, lest being puffed up with pride he fall into the same condemnation as the devil. Moreover he must have a good testimony among those who are outside, lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil."
The Apostle Paul repeats these qualifications of a bishop/elder/pastor (the same Greek word "episkopos" is used) in his letter to Titus. "For this reason I left you in Crete, that you should set in order the things that are lacking, and appoint elders in every city as I commanded you—if a man is blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of dissipation or insubordination. For a bishop must be blameless, as a steward of God, not self-willed, not quick-tempered, not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money, but hospitable, a lover of what is good, sober-minded, just, holy, self-controlled, holding fast the faithful word as he has been taught, that he may be able, by sound doctrine, both to exhort and convict those who contradict." (Titus 1:5-9).
Yes, Moya is a human being, but that doesnt excuse his behaviour. We need to be very careful of false prophets in pulpits.
I believe the Church should help Tommy Moya and aid him is restoration, However, I do not believe he should return as Pastor of this Church.
I pray for this man, I pray for the congregation which has looked up to this man and idolized him.
This is why we should look at Christ and not at man. I think where Moya started to mess up is when he entered the prosperity gospel. At one point in time in a church service, he stated "I hope a member of this congregation hits the loterry and blesses me with an airplane to reach the nations" We dont need no airplane to preach the Gospel.
Let's just pray for him, God can restore anyone.
Tali
Tali, I respect your opinion, but obviously you were not there at the service in which you comment about the airplane. I have that service recorded. He DID NOT tell anyone to play the lottery. At that service he was preaching about how people promise to give you things if they ever become rich. At the service, Moya mentioned how many people have promised him things the day they become wealthier. One of the members had told him, "Pastor, when I hit the lottery, the airplane, count on that." Moya went on to say that if he would go by what people have already promised, he would have everything and more in life.
Lesson: God is never going to expect you to give what you don't have. People wait too long for circumstances to be perfect in order to make a desicion or try new things. God accepts you the way you are, with what you have. That with what God has given you already, build from it.
Moya will always be my pastor. I know a lot think he is being justified. The part many don't realize, is that those that don't judge him, were blessed by the Word God put in him. When you hit below rock bottom and you had a pastor that CHALLENGED you and made sure you got back on your feet no matter the circumstances of life, that is APPRECIATED.
Pastor Moya had a way of preaching that reached the soul. He didn't let anyone stay down. That is the seed he planted in us, now we want to give back. He never gave up on us, we will never give up on him. That his image is ruined, yes, that is exactly what the devil wanted. God's Word taught by Moya will never die.
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May 15, 2009
 
There are at least three primary explanations: 1) Some of those claiming to be evangelical Christians are unbelieving charlatans, 2) some evangelical Christian leaders allow their position to result in pride, and 3) Satan and his demons more aggressively attack and tempt those in Christian leadership because they know that a scandal involving a leader can have devastating results, on both Christians and non-Christians.
1) Some “evangelical Christians” who are caught in scandals are unredeemed charlatans and false prophets. Jesus warned,“Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves … Therefore by their fruits you will know them”(Matthew 7:15-20). False prophets pretend to be godly men and women and appear to be solid evangelical leaders. However, their “fruit”(scandals) eventually reveals them to be the opposite of what they claimed to be. In this, they follow the example of Satan,“And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve”(2 Corinthians 11:14-15).
2) The Bible makes it clear that “pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall”(Proverbs 16:18). James 4:6 reminds us that “God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.” The Bible repeatedly warns against pride. Many Christian leaders begin a ministry in a spirit of humility and reliance upon God, but as the ministry grows and thrives, they are tempted to take some of this glory for themselves. Some evangelical Christian leaders, while paying lip-service to God, actually attempt to manage and build the ministry in their own strength and wisdom. This type of pride leads to a fall. God, through the prophet Hosea, warned,“When I fed them, they were satisfied; when they were satisfied, they became proud; then they forgot me”(Hosea 13:6).
3) Satan knows that by instigating a scandal with an evangelical Christian leader, he can have a powerful impact. Just as King David’s adultery with Bathsheba and arranged murder of Uriah caused great damage to David’s family and the entire nation of Israel, so has many a church or ministry been damaged or destroyed by the moral failure of its leader. Many Christians have had their faith weakened as a result of seeing a leader fall. Non-Christians use the failure of “Christian” leaders as a reason to reject Christianity. Satan and his demons know this, and therefore direct more of their attacks against those in leadership roles. The Bible warns us all,“Be self-controlled and alert. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour”(1 Peter 5:8).
How are we to respond when an evangelical Christian leader is accused of or caught in a scandal? 1) Do not listen to or accept baseless and unfounded accusations (Proverbs 18:8, 17; 1 Timothy 5:19). 2) Take appropriate biblical measures to rebuke those who sin (Matthew 18:15-17; 1 Timothy 5:20).
If the sin is proven and severe, permanent removal from ministry leadership should be enforced (1 Timothy 3:1-13). 3) Forgive those who sin (Ephesians 4:32; Colossians 3:13), and when repentance is proven, restore them to fellowship (Galatians 6:1; 1 Peter 4:8) but not to leadership. 4) Be faithful in praying for our leaders.
Knowing the problems they deal with, the temptations they suffer, and the stress they must endure, we should be praying for our leaders, asking God to strengthen them, protect them, and encourage them. 5) Most importantly, take the failure of an evangelical Christian leader as a reminder to put your ultimate faith in God and God alone. God never fails, never sins, and never lies.“Holy, holy, holy is the LORD Almighty; the whole earth is full of His glory”(Isaiah 6:3).
PS: I cant even imagine how difficult this must be for you...
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Just another preacher caught
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May 15, 2009
 
Sure glad he isn't a homosexual, would have certainly screwed up the institution of marriage for sure
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May 15, 2009
 
My point was not to substitute the Word with my opinion. You are absolutely right with your Scriptures. How many Scriptures do you have on forgiveness? Mercy? How if you humble yourself before the Lord, He will wash away all your sins? About how you have another chance on being a new creatures?
That is it difficult for me? I don't depend on man to get ahead with my life, its the Word. That I am deeply saddened yes! I went to his church for the 3 years I lived in Florida. I knew his family. I experienced the worst crisis in life and with the Word God deposited in Moya, it got me through. I respect his attitude of a winner through a time, when my son died, got a divorce, lost my job, my car was repossed, my house went into foreclosure, and I was left with $3.83 in my bank account, all in a matter or 2 years. What was my attitude? Praise God because it is only through the tough times that I can see His glory. If I don't see it yet, I know it is on its way. I didn't have to depend on pills to sleep or cry to anyone! Only to my Lord! No suicide notes, didn't have to kill my family and than shot myself. Why do you think so many people are doing that? Because it is only through those do you realize where your trust has been put in. Moya and his church demonstrated what it was to have faith at that time. Thank God, which used Moya and his church as instruments.
That its ashame that after lifting a congregation over for 15 years that this has happened-yes. This scandal doesn't define who Moya is, its defines a lack of discipline from his part-disobdience. He never self-proclaimed himself as a prophet. He came to Florida from Puerto Rico to be a professional baseball player, went to church, experienced God's glory and forgot about baseball. If he had been in it for the money and fame, MLB would have been the choice from the start.
What I do want to express, is that one can't be so quick to judge. Those that are quick to judge have to really reflect at what level spiritually they are at. That God gives us the Word to know right from wrong, yes. Does Moya have to suffer consequences for his actions-definately,but God will determine how, not the negative comments. He is down and people want to keep him down. No matter what is said from now on, what cannot be taken away from him is that the man made sure that it was known that only God is perfect and without Him you are no one. Moya has left his mark on thousands. He lead a church that can continue strong without him, because Moya was never the main attraction. Now, he opened the door for other leaders, that have learned from his mistake, that want to make their impact, to make their move.
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May 15, 2009
 
What the heck wrote:
He is not the first and he won't be the last bible thumper television to not be able to keep his pants zipped. And, you know those latino hussy's will spread their legs for anyone. Gotta love the pompadour male hairdo and the beehive after a toss in the cess pool.
You're a racist idiot. Well let me get down to your level u inbred redneck!
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Ive wrote:
My point was not to substitute the Word with my opinion. You are absolutely right with your Scriptures. How many Scriptures do you have on forgiveness? Mercy? How if you humble yourself before the Lord, He will wash away all your sins? About how you have another chance on being a new creatures?
That is it difficult for me? I don't depend on man to get ahead with my life, its the Word. That I am deeply saddened yes! I went to his church for the 3 years I lived in Florida. I knew his family. I experienced the worst crisis in life and with the Word God deposited in Moya, it got me through. I respect his attitude of a winner through a time, when my son died, got a divorce, lost my job, my car was repossed, my house went into foreclosure, and I was left with $3.83 in my bank account, all in a matter or 2 years. What was my attitude? Praise God because it is only through the tough times that I can see His glory. If I don't see it yet, I know it is on its way. I didn't have to depend on pills to sleep or cry to anyone! Only to my Lord! No suicide notes, didn't have to kill my family and than shot myself. Why do you think so many people are doing that? Because it is only through those do you realize where your trust has been put in. Moya and his church demonstrated what it was to have faith at that time. Thank God, which used Moya and his church as instruments.
That its ashame that after lifting a congregation over for 15 years that this has happened-yes. This scandal doesn't define who Moya is, its defines a lack of discipline from his part-disobdience. He never self-proclaimed himself as a prophet. He came to Florida from Puerto Rico to be a professional baseball player, went to church, experienced God's glory and forgot about baseball. If he had been in it for the money and fame, MLB would have been the choice from the start.
What I do want to express, is that one can't be so quick to judge. Those that are quick to judge have to really reflect at what level spiritually they are at. That God gives us the Word to know right from wrong, yes. Does Moya have to suffer consequences for his actions-definately,but God will determine how, not the negative comments. He is down and people want to keep him down. No matter what is said from now on, what cannot be taken away from him is that the man made sure that it was known that only God is perfect and without Him you are no one. Moya has left his mark on thousands. He lead a church that can continue strong without him, because Moya was never the main attraction. Now, he opened the door for other leaders, that have learned from his mistake, that want to make their impact, to make their move.
In all honesty, I think the Church should help restore him and you know what.... its something the Church should do. We all fall short of the Glory of God.... there is none who is perfect, but that is still no excuse... thats all I am saying.
I believe he shouldnt leave the congregation but should now stitch position from Pastor to a member of the Church under a Pastor for a while. I think it will help him, it cannot be easy being a Pastor.
I just dont agree with the excuse "He Is Human" sure he is human, but the Gospel is nothing to play with.
If I am having a sexual relationship with a member of my Church and I still have the nerve to get up in that pulpit and preach..... thats no joke.
Yes, we all fall short of God's Glory.
Yes, we should help restore our brother, because he has been there for us in the past....
No, we shouldnt allow him to Pastor this Church again. I do think that God is going to use him in a powerful way though, I think this Church was only the beggining on what God is getting started to do with him.
Remember, David; he fought lions and bears before he got to Goliath.
Maybe it was good for him to fail this test, to prepare him for a even bigger calling that God has for him...
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May 15, 2009
 
What good news. Another wolf dressed as a sheep, uncovered. Hopefully, this "church" will close.

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