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#509113 Nov 4, 2013
MADDY wrote:
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OMG! Yet another of your feeble diversions EH?
Now you have resorted to WD neckties which is totally OT and has no bearing whatsoever as to the time required for a Martial Art expert to kill his wife and kids.
LOL! Relax Tard - I am heading back to my World Wide Forum whereby those who post lack the brain damage you appear to have.
During my 6 Pimms inebriated state I cannot help but stop by here once in a while and tweak the one celled brains of those who consider themselves to be thinking like Def.Lawyers- Yet despite their brilliance neither one has deemed to answer -'Exactly what is the time required for a Martial Art Expert to slaughter his wife and kids. The irony is rich indeed. Eh? EH?
I did answer it. You must have missed it, given your self-described inebriated state.

PS> Any dummy could give a nonsensical answer to the 5 hour question. It's amazing how 5 hours can shrink when you take the time to think it through.

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#509114 Nov 4, 2013
Double Jeopardy wrote:
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Throwing away evidence is a crime, washing smelly evidence is not. Remember, George is a retired cop.
Throwing away evidence is a crime, true. George is a retired detective, true.

Cindy washes slacks in smelly trunk and begs LE to take them, which they did, a week later, after Cindy madea big deal of it on TV. George goes to work instead of reporting the smelly trunk and his missing granddaughter.

Evidence is only evidence when it can be connected to a crime.....assuming that a crime did indeed happen.

I rest my case.

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#509115 Nov 4, 2013
Double Jeopardy wrote:
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Those bodies have now been reduced to bones.
Probably so. But at the time they were disposed of, we assume they were fully intact.

How does someone dispose of not 1, not 2, but 3 intact bodies at the same time without being seen?

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#509116 Nov 4, 2013
Rambler wrote:
* the proper term is apparently WELLNESS CHECK
Who was it that requested the Wellness Check and what prompted that person to be so concerned as to call police that early in the morning?
The grandmother's 911 call was released last week. She made the call.

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http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/search-bo...

Thursday, Oct. 31, 2013

Police release 911 call that prompted search for missing mom, kids.

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Rambler

Red Deer, Canada

#509118 Nov 5, 2013
ngrace wrote:
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The grandmother's 911 call was released last week. She made the call.
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http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/search-bo...
Thursday, Oct. 31, 2013
Police release 911 call that prompted search for missing mom, kids.
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Thanks, I'll listen to it. I'm still not understanding why Yessenia, after getting slapped in public and filing domestic violence charges against her husband, then goes home as if nothing is amiss. Then there is her mother in the background who appears to know everything that is going on, who is panicked enough to demand a wellness check from authorities - instead of driving over to the house herself to intervene.

The story would make a lot more sense if, instead of Luis Toledo sleeping in his car all night, he'd been picked by police and and then released that morning from jail.......but then he wouldn't have has time to murder his wife and kids......

Between the DV incident not being followed up and Toledo being arrested in another county without a proper warrant, IMO the reality is the information coming from Lake Mary PD at his point in time cannot be trusted. The involvement of Volusia County, in locking up someone without a warrant, is equally questionable. We've been given obvious indications something stinks to high heavens in the arrest of this man, yet we're supposed to believe everything police say occurred is the gospel truth?

Frankly, there is something very wrong with your system when the media exposes obvious breaches in due diligence of police procedure and nobody even raises an eyebrow - the point is not whether Toledo is guilty.
Rambler

Red Deer, Canada

#509119 Nov 5, 2013
* Had Toledo's suicide attempt been successful, it would put an end to the entire matter whether the three bodies were ever found or not. That criminal suspects have free access to bathrooms with glass mirrors at a Sheriff's Office broaches on fiction as well.

If Toledo's conscience was so guilt-ridden as to attempt to take his own life by stabbing himself with a shard of glass, why is he still withholding information from police as to where the bodies are located?

The story just does not add up.
Rambler

Red Deer, Canada

#509120 Nov 5, 2013
Raw 911 call -
http://www.wftv.com/videos/news/raw-911-yesse...

Well that's all but useless ......all identifying information as to the subject of the 911 call - who SHE is - has been erased from the tape.

Whoever the mother is, is travelling while on her cellphone, sniffing and snorting, and the dispatcher doesn't even ask her to pull over.

“always”

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Ticklaw

#509121 Nov 5, 2013
ngrace wrote:
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The problem with your scenario is, he asked the neighbor to help him drop off his wife's car in Lake Mary, thereby placing himself at the home.
Had he pre-planned anything, it seems he wouldn't involve a 3rd party.
This is one of the reasons why I have many questions......why go to all the trouble to drive her car to Lake Mary in the first place?
Toledo was looking to establish an alibi. BTW it appears that you don't know that evidence from the home was recovered from the Lake Mary Publix dumpster.

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#509122 Nov 5, 2013
Rambler wrote:
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Thanks, I'll listen to it. I'm still not understanding why Yessenia, after getting slapped in public and filing domestic violence charges against her husband, then goes home as if nothing is amiss. Then there is her mother in the background who appears to know everything that is going on, who is panicked enough to demand a wellness check from authorities - instead of driving over to the house herself to intervene.
The story would make a lot more sense if, instead of Luis Toledo sleeping in his car all night, he'd been picked by police and and then released that morning from jail.......but then he wouldn't have has time to murder his wife and kids......
Between the DV incident not being followed up and Toledo being arrested in another county without a proper warrant, IMO the reality is the information coming from Lake Mary PD at his point in time cannot be trusted. The involvement of Volusia County, in locking up someone without a warrant, is equally questionable. We've been given obvious indications something stinks to high heavens in the arrest of this man, yet we're supposed to believe everything police say occurred is the gospel truth?
Frankly, there is something very wrong with your system when the media exposes obvious breaches in due diligence of police procedure and nobody even raises an eyebrow - the point is not whether Toledo is guilty.
Why on earth do you think police need a warrant to arrest someone?
Rambler

Red Deer, Canada

#509123 Nov 5, 2013
LOL!
Rambler

Red Deer, Canada

#509124 Nov 5, 2013
RuffnReddy wrote:
<quoted text>Toledo was looking to establish an alibi. BTW it appears that you don't know that evidence from the home was recovered from the Lake Mary Publix dumpster.
What sort of alibi was Toledo establishing by asking his neighbour to help him dump his wife's vehicle in a parking lot, wipe whatever off, and dispose of unidentified things in public dumpsters while admitting that "he snapped" as an answer within a conversation that apparently never took place with the neighbour because the neighbour never asked what Toledo was up to.

“always”

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Ticklaw

#509125 Nov 5, 2013
Rambler wrote:
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What sort of alibi was Toledo establishing by asking his neighbour to help him dump his wife's vehicle in a parking lot, wipe whatever off, and dispose of unidentified things in public dumpsters while admitting that "he snapped" as an answer within a conversation that apparently never took place with the neighbour because the neighbour never asked what Toledo was up to.
Perhaps the neighbor and he were fellow criminals. Keep in mind that the neighbor didn't come forward until after Toledo was in custody.

Why would Toledo choose that particular place to dump the car and the evidence? It certainly wasn't convenient to where Suarez worked and it's proximity to the Seminole County Justice Center made it a bit risky. Could it have been near where Mr Otto lived or worked? Or Suarez's new friend? Maybe we'll learn.

The Weldon Rd Publix is basically at the end of Lake St. where George and Shellie Zimmerman stayed prior to and during the trial and the K9 place could probably be seen from the Zimmerman's rear window at The Retreat. Small world?

“Twofer one”

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#509126 Nov 5, 2013
Maybe he was going to kill the neighbor also and chickened out.

Who knows what kind of plan a man angry enough to kill his wife and stepchildren has?

Angry, immature azzholes kill others every day, don't know why some here look for conspiracies to give them an excuse.

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#509127 Nov 5, 2013
MADDY wrote:
Apparently some bodies are disposed of without any eyewitnesses.
Bodies of Two Missing Women and Boy Found in Hollow Tree -
'Sheriff Barber says Hoffman, gave information through his lawyer that led to the discovery of the bodies'
http://www.examiner.com/article/bodies-of-two...
Guess nobody witnessed this freak either..
'Six bodies found at house of a convicted rapist'
A suspected serial killer has been arrested in America after six bodes were discovered hidden in and around his house.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/nor...
Then again not everybody is as observant as some like to consider themselves as being.. Obviously it can be done tho.
'Teen kills parents, throws beer party with bodies hidden in house'
A 17-year-old Florida boy has been accused of killing his parents with a hammer, then hosting dozens of friends for a party while their bodies lay in the bedroom
http://www.mid-day.com/news/2011/jul/190711-t...
In this case, the bodies weren't "in or around the house".

In this case, LE knows the exact date, and exact amount of time he had to carry out his crime.

In this case, search efforts started at point A (the home) and expanded outward in a circular direction, much like using a protractor to create an ever expanding circle based upon the total amount of time he had to travel to wherever, and return to point A.

Given that no witness has come forward to seeing him driving, stopping, or dumping the bodies, and given that he would seek a location where he wouldn't be observed doing the above, the circumference of that search circle narrows even more.

In this case, searches failed to turn up the bodies.

It doesn't take rocket science to understand that given the above facts, there are only 3 possibilities. Either he didn't do what he's admitted doing to his wife (but not the kids); LE and family just missed finding the bodies; or, he had help.

Sorry, Maddy, but I don't see the relevance of your examples as applied to this case.

“Twofer one”

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#509128 Nov 5, 2013
Anyone know the time?

Attorneys for Casey Anthony will be in court in Tampa on Tuesday

They're expected to try to get a federal complaint by Zenaida Gonzalez dismissed.

Read more: http://www.wesh.com/news/casey-anthony-extend...

“Twofer one”

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#509129 Nov 5, 2013
ngrace, where did you see the 5 hours timeline?

I haven't seen that in the articles I have read about him killing his wife and stepchildren

“Twofer one”

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#509130 Nov 5, 2013
Wasn't it dark and very ate at night/early in the morning when he disposed of the bodies?
Less chance of it being witnessed and less chance of alert witnesses.

“Twofer one”

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#509131 Nov 5, 2013
very LATE at night

sorry, lazy finger syndrome

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#509132 Nov 5, 2013
WAS sanka wrote:
Anyone know the time?
Attorneys for Casey Anthony will be in court in Tampa on Tuesday
They're expected to try to get a federal complaint by Zenaida Gonzalez dismissed.
Read more: http://www.wesh.com/news/casey-anthony-extend...
Yes, it's 9.39 a.m., but we're 3 hours behind you.

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#509133 Nov 5, 2013
Rambler wrote:
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Latin King gang is what it's alleged Toledo was or is involved with. It sounds right up the rev's alley, much like a cultish religion. The Anti-King then is Satan of course.
"Kingism" ideology
According to John H. Richardson in the February 1997 issue of the New York Magazine, "What also made the Kings different was their unique mixture of intense discipline, revolutionary politics and a homemade religion called "Kingism"—adding idealism and a bootcamp rigor to the usual gang camaraderie—a potent mixture for troubled ghetto kids whose lives lacked structure and hope".[12]
The Latin Kings operate under strict codes and guidelines that are conveyed in a lengthy constitution, and they follow the teachings of the King Manifesto.[13][14]
According to the Latin King Manifesto, there are three stages or cycles of Nation life that constitute Kingism.[15]
They are:
The Primitive Stage: wherein the neophyte member is expected to be immature and to be involved in such activities as gang-banging and being a street warrior without the full consciousness of Kingism.
The Conservative Stage: which is where a member tires of the street gang life but is still accepting of life as it has been taught to him by the existing system that exploits all people of color, dehumanizes them, and maintains them under the conditions and social yoke of slavery.
The New King Stage: where the member "learns that his ills lie at the roots of a system completely alien to his train of thought and his natural development, due to the components of dehumanization that exist therein".
According to the Manifesto, "The New King is the end product of complete awareness, perceiving three-hundred and sixty degrees of enlightenment; his observations are free and independent; his thoughts are not clouded by any form of prejudice...For him there are no horizons between races, sexes and senseless labels", including gang labels for recognition. The New King no longer views the rival warrior as the cause of his ills; instead, he fights against the Anti-King System (social injustices and inequality), a system which seeks to deny and oppress his people: the Oppressed Third World Peoples.[15]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_Kings_ (gang)
King-Dom 1 obs [Kingship] 2.a political organized community or major territorial unit having monarchical form of government headed by a king or a queen 3 often cap a; the eternal kingship of God b; the realm in which God's Will is fulfilled 4 a; a realm or region in which something is dominant b; an area or sphere in which one holds a preemenent position 5; one of three primary divisions of lifeless material,plants and animals into which natural objects are commonly classified - called also respectively mineral kingdom,plant kingdom and animal kingdom.
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