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“Stand Your Grund”

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#508591 Oct 17, 2013
marce-redux wrote:
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You can't say someone 'reins' over someone. The word is 'reign.'
Perhaps she meant 'rain'? Foreigners have a difficult time learning to read and right new languages, lol.

Maybe you should just recluse yourself from the matter?
Rambler

Red Deer, Canada

#508592 Oct 17, 2013
Double Jeopardy wrote:
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Perhaps she meant 'rain'? Foreigners have a difficult time learning to read and right new languages, lol.
Maybe you should just recluse yourself from the matter?
Yes, don't rain on my parade,

Or don't rein on my parade,

And don't reign on my parade!

LOL!
Rambler

Red Deer, Canada

#508593 Oct 17, 2013
More on OT.....

Judge Perry: Escaped killers 'had some help'
By Henry P. Curtis and Arelis Hernández, Orlando Sentinel
12:50 pm, October 17, 2013

Chief Judge Belvin Perry's signature was forged on a pair of fraudulent orders that freed two Orlando-area killers — both lifers — from a North Florida lockup in an astounding paperwork prison break that has sent shockwaves across Florida.

Law-enforcement officials are hunting for Charles Bernard Walker and Joseph Ivan Jenkins, both 34, after they left the Franklin Correctional Institution in the Panhandle within two weeks of each other because of fabricated documents authorizing their release.

Ninth Judicial Circuit Court officials said the phony paperwork contains the forged signatures of at least two judges and members of the State Attorney's office — including Jeff Ashton, officials said.

"I strongly believe they had some help," Perry told the Orlando Sentinel today. "It is unlikely [the documents] were produced by the inmates."

He doesn't know who helped.

At least three investigations — including a criminal probe — are ongoing to figure out what happened.

The orders to release the inmates were filed with the Orange County Clerk's office and were carefully crafted to appear legitimate, complete with the county seal, letterheads and outlined in a format common to the court documents filed regularly at the clerk's office.

It is unclear how they were filed.

Perry said it is clear whoever manufactured the paperwork had some "elementary knowledge" of computers and "these folks spent a lot of time doing this."

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Walker and Jenkins were released because corrections officials didn't realize paperwork from the Orange County Clerk of Courts was forged, said Department of Corrections spokeswoman Jessica Cary.

It is unclear at what point officials found the mistake.

The documents in question were motions to correct a so-called "illegal sentence" that supposedly written and filed by a prosecutor in the State Attorney's Office.

Walker's Oct. 7 motion argued that he should never have been sentenced to life imprisonment because he was only found guilty of third degree murder — causing the unintentional death of person while committing a non-violent crime — not second degree.

He asks for a 15-year modified sentence and the forged documents granted it.

In Jenkins' Aug. 30 motion, he also claims his charges were also incorrectly classified because of filing errors on the part of prosecutors and his sentence was excessive.

The order granting a 15-year amended sentence was also granted.

Perry spotted "obvious subtleties"

Orange County Clerk of Courts spokeswoman Leesa Bainbridge said the orders looked like they came from Judge Perry's office and were processed normally.

Clerk employees do not read the thousands of documents they receive daily but direct them to the appropriate agencies.

The judge's order modifying any prisoner's sentence would be sent via fax, email or mail to the Department of Corrections, where it is read and executed, she said.

Perry learned of the fakes Tuesday afternoon, saying "obvious subtleties" caught his immediate attention. The cases were never assigned to him, never came across his desk and contained inconsistent language.

"I've never seen the State Attorney file a motion to correct an illegal sentence," he said.

More -
http://orlandosentinel.com/#section/-1/articl...

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#508595 Oct 17, 2013
Rambler wrote:
Does anyone want to bet that had the above scam not been discovered, the plan was to use the fraudulent documents against both Judge Perry and Jeff Ashton to support serious allegations of incompetence and/or corruption?
After scandal has erupted, I'd imagine it's very difficult for the fraud victims to defend themselves by "I didn't write that" because then comes in the question of possible lying to cover up. Someone very close to these two prisoners must have known what was going down and nipped it in the bud.


Nipped what in the bud?

If I'm reading your post correctly, nothing was nipped and officials became aware of the escaped felons only after a victim's family notified the SA's office that something was amiss.

One of the dudes had tried and failed to pull off this same stunt back in 2011, using the name of a different Judge, after submitting a motion signed by then assistance SA, Jeff Ashton. The first attempt was discovered to be a forgery before any damage was done.

So, no, I don't think there was a plan to use the documents against Perry or Ashton. But Judge Perry says in the video posted in the OS (before it stopped working half way through), is intriguing. He said the interesting thing here is both documents were filed by the SA's office.

Now to me, that would indicate they were filed electronically from within that office, rather than via US Mail, which opens up a real can of worms, if that is correct.

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#508605 Oct 18, 2013
Double Jeopardy wrote:
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Perhaps she meant 'rain'? Foreigners have a difficult time learning to read and right new languages, lol.
Maybe you should just recluse yourself from the matter?
HA -- I just saw this. I love it!

I wonder if I'm becoming a recuse.

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Since: Feb 09

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#508606 Oct 18, 2013
Rambler wrote:
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Ngracie, a victim's family not be expecting the prisoner to be released so it's highly unlikely that's how the fraud was discovered.
"It is unclear at what point officials found the mistake." is what you read incorrectly.
Local reports have all stated that this is exactly how officials were notified that something was wrong.

Crime Victims' Rights Act
18 U.S.C.§ 3771. Crime victims' rights

http://www.justice.gov/usao/eousa/vr/crime_vi...

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#508607 Oct 18, 2013
Rambler wrote:
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Yes, of course to you, because the burning animosity you display toward Jeff Ashton and the SA office is very obvious every time the subject is remotely mentioned.
Your response makes no sense in light of what I wrote. I said I didn't think there was a plan afoot ("grand conspiracy") to use this against Jeff Ashton or Judge Perry, as you opined.

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Since: Feb 09

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#508608 Oct 18, 2013
Rambler wrote:
"Leesa Bainbridge, a spokeswoman for the Orange County Clerk of Courts, said the office moves thousands of pages of court documents a day and currently has no way of authenticating those that pass through to other agencies.
“We’re kind of like the post office,” Bainbridge said.“It comes in and we move it along.”
Bainbridge said officials in the clerk’s office plan to talk about what measures, if any, can be put in place to make sure something similar doesn’t happen again.
“This is something we take very seriously,” she said.“We don’t find this funny.”
Perry said changing the type of paper orders are printed on, or requiring a phone call to the judge’s office could help. More technologically advanced measures may have to be implemented as Florida’s court system finishes transitioning into a paperless system, he said.
“I think this will open that discussion,” Perry said.
http://globalnews.ca/news/910020/manhunt-on-a...
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In one of the earlier reports Judge Perry commented the conspirators only had elementary knowledge of computers. I wonder if the fake docs are anything compared to the absolutely shoddily completed CMA bankruptcy proforma, obviously overkeyed, completed on expired software, downloaded to the media website consisting only of information which easily could have been gleaned from the publicly released case file as well.
This is getting even more bizarre. Apparently the escaped murderers even registered as felons with OC Jail 3 days after they escaped and still no one caught on to the ruse.
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BREAKING NEWS
Killers registered as felons after escape. Two escaped murderers in Florida registered as felons at the Orange County jail after authorities say they were mistakenly released from prison.

MORE DETAILS: < http://www.clickorlando.com/tu/6ksY8m3Kz.html... ;

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Since: Feb 09

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#508609 Oct 18, 2013
Rambler wrote:
Ngracie, I have a question for you, if you know the answer........
Does the Florida Department of Corrections keep some sort of ongoing victims file, whereby they are easily able to immediately track down and locate correct addresses and phone numbers of crime victims families throughout the entire time the perpetrator is incarcerated, just in case they get released early for some reason?
"Misty Cash, a spokesperson for the Florida Department of Corrections, explained: "We initiated our typical procedure for an inmate release. The department followed our procedures and protocols to the letter. so in this instance the department didn't do anything wrong."
Miller reported the only way that authorities discovered the wrongful release of these two murders was following those very procedures. They notified the victims' families that they had given them early release, and the victims' families called the prosecutors and asked, "How did this happen?" They called the police and then they unearthed the scam."
I believe the it's up to the victim or their families to notify authorities of any changes to their contact information if they want to be kept abreast of any chnages or updates.

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#508610 Oct 18, 2013
*"changes"

“I do give a dam”

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Since: Feb 13

Beaver Falls, PA

#508611 Oct 18, 2013
marce-redux wrote:
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HA -- I just saw this. I love it!
I wonder if I'm becoming a recuse.
Thats Redux

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#508612 Oct 18, 2013
Frozenbeaver wrote:
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Thats Redux
What is redux?

“I do give a dam”

Level 2

Since: Feb 13

Beaver Falls, PA

#508613 Oct 18, 2013
marce-redux wrote:
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What is redux?
Thats redux.
MADDY

Los Angeles, CA

#508614 Oct 18, 2013
marce-redux wrote:
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What is redux?
Left- overs from the Duck served on Christmas Day then reheated and served on Boxing Day ?????
MADDY

Los Angeles, CA

#508616 Oct 18, 2013
marce-redux wrote:
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What is redux?
A province close to Red Deer - Also the color of a rubber dux that
are quite popular among trolls.

Also advice given in the Earthquake alert Pamphlet...

Soon as you feel the earth move under ya feet "Dux Under the table"
MADDY

Los Angeles, CA

#508617 Oct 18, 2013
marce-redux wrote:
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What is redux?
Oxen - i.e a Buffalo Oft referred to by inbreds as a Red Ux !

“I do give a dam”

Level 2

Since: Feb 13

Beaver Falls, PA

#508619 Oct 18, 2013
marce-redux wrote:
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What is redux?
Or when Mary of NY has leftovers, Re-ducks.
MADDY

Los Angeles, CA

#508621 Oct 18, 2013
Frozenbeaver wrote:
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Or when Mary of NY has leftovers, Re-ducks.
HMMM! Irregardless of the fact you have kept up your famous reputation for being the most amazing intellectual Troll on Topix - I needs be keep this reply shorter than the 'No Dong
Thong' you wear.
MADDY

Los Angeles, CA

#508622 Oct 18, 2013
" Perhaps the entire system needs some tweeting.

LMAO "Tweeting" Oh really would having the whole system 'Tweeting resolve the problem ??????
MADDY

Los Angeles, CA

#508623 Oct 18, 2013
As of yet nary a word of compassion for the wife & kids of one of the victims of one of these killers.....

"Joseph Jenkins was one of two Orange County men who shot and killed Roscoe Pugh during a home invasion in 1998. It happened right in front of Crystal, who was pregnant at the time, and their five children.

"The wanted what they wanted, they got what they wanted, they left with what they wanted and they still murdered my husband," said Pugh. "Not knowing where this man is and who's going to be next (is terrifying)."

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/escaped-pris...

I doubt 'tweeting' the system will bring any consolation to this shattered family.

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