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#504170 Jun 5, 2013
Kenny Z wrote:
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But Cindy and George both testified the side gate was kept locked as the shed was and needed keys to open them.
Meaning Casey would have had to unlock the gate with a key, not just open it! Dont think she always carried a key with her just in case she might panic one day and need it... Do you?
Cindy testified that the gate was locked and could only be opened from inside the yard.

Cindy did NOT testify that the gate required a key to open it.

A slide-type lock is a lock.

Had the side gate "required" a key, Baez or LDB would have asked her that question, and neither side did.

And furthermore, when Cindy told her co-workers the side gate was open, she never asked the obvious question IF THE GATE REQUIRED A KEY TO UNLOCK IT, "I wonder where they got the key?"

For people who don't have child safety locks on their sliding doors, especially when they KNEW Caylee could open it and "run right out into the yard", I don't think Cindy's' version of a lock is what you want it to be.

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#504171 Jun 5, 2013
Kenny Z wrote:
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Did you see where that side gate would lead to?
Exiting the backyard via the side gate would lead to the front yard/driveway.

Someone HAD to have been exiting the backyard via the side gate, as it was kept "locked".

The side gate was unlocked and the pool ladder was up.....and no matter who disagrees with me, I stand behind my conclusion that someone was in a panic/hurry, when he/she exited that backyard pool area.

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#504172 Jun 5, 2013
Double Jeopardy wrote:
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I'm originally from upstate NY and visit often. I know of no private residences or city pools in my upstate NY area that have pool alarms. I have a family member up there who has a pool and children and they do not have a pool alarm, they spent the time to teach their children how to swim.
I'm calling double BS on your story as a desperate attempt to draw attention to yourself. Pathetic!
NY LAW: Mandatory Swimming Pool Alarms

New York State lawmakers have finally made a two year old pool alarm rule permanent. If you put a pool in your backyard, you need to have an alarm on it.

State lawmakers passed an emergency ruling two years ago that required all commercial and personal swimming pools to have an alarm system. That ruling expired last month and state lawmakers have now permanently adopted it.

Officials say alarms are required on all pools built or modified after December 14th of 2006. Experts say the temporary blows up pools also need to have alarms.

“Two bolts go into the top rail of the pool, and then the alarm just sits inside. It takes a 9 volt battery. Then there’s a separate remote that plugs into an outlet in your house so can hear it from in the house or out,” says Tom Witzel of Hesselson’s.

The cost of the alarms can range between $200 up to thousands of dollars.

Code enforcement officials say if you get caught without an alarm, you will be given a warning. After that you can get fined up to $1000 a day until an alarm is placed.

Officials say the law was originally put in place because 26 infants and children under the age of 14 drowned in a pool in 2002.

http://www.zifflaw.com/NYInjuryLawBlog/ny-law...

http://www.dos.ny.gov/DCEA/currpoolreq.htm
Rambler

Red Deer, Canada

#504173 Jun 5, 2013
ngrace wrote:
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Cindy testified that the gate was locked and could only be opened from inside the yard.
Cindy did NOT testify that the gate required a key to open it.
A slide-type lock is a lock.
Had the side gate "required" a key, Baez or LDB would have asked her that question, and neither side did.
And furthermore, when Cindy told her co-workers the side gate was open, she never asked the obvious question IF THE GATE REQUIRED A KEY TO UNLOCK IT, "I wonder where they got the key?"
For people who don't have child safety locks on their sliding doors, especially when they KNEW Caylee could open it and "run right out into the yard", I don't think Cindy's' version of a lock is what you want it to be.
From photos, the side gate wasn't extraordinarily high, therefore it would not be described as LOCKED when any person on the outside could gain access by reaching over and UNLATCHING it from the inside.

Given George mentioned he was aware of breakins in the neighbourhood, it's common sense the side gate was LOCKED to prevent easy access into the back yard.
Rambler

Red Deer, Canada

#504174 Jun 5, 2013
ngrace wrote:
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Exiting the backyard via the side gate would lead to the front yard/driveway.
Someone HAD to have been exiting the backyard via the side gate, as it was kept "locked".
The side gate was unlocked and the pool ladder was up.....and no matter who disagrees with me, I stand behind my conclusion that someone was in a panic/hurry, when he/she exited that backyard pool area.
Considering someone staged Caylee's body with duct tape to implicate Casey with premeditated murder. It's certainly not a stretch of the imagination that someone earlier arranged the pool preparing for Casey to falsely admit Caylee downed accidentally. Infact I recall a Pubkic interview where Sheriff Beary all but begged her to admit to an accident occurring.

George or Cindy also testified all the keys were hanging in the garage. Therefore anyone with access to Casey's car, which probably had an automatic opener in it, had access inside garage and to the gate key. That's scenario is most certainly far from a highly complex mission......

I continue to believe the backyard was under video survelance the entire time, intended to understand why the dogs were getting sick because a young child shared the same back yard.

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Orlando, FL

#504175 Jun 5, 2013
ngrace wrote:
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NY LAW: Mandatory Swimming Pool Alarms
New York State lawmakers have finally made a two year old pool alarm rule permanent. If you put a pool in your backyard, you need to have an alarm on it.
State lawmakers passed an emergency ruling two years ago that required all commercial and personal swimming pools to have an alarm system. That ruling expired last month and state lawmakers have now permanently adopted it.
Officials say alarms are required on all pools built or modified after December 14th of 2006. Experts say the temporary blows up pools also need to have alarms.
“Two bolts go into the top rail of the pool, and then the alarm just sits inside. It takes a 9 volt battery. Then there’s a separate remote that plugs into an outlet in your house so can hear it from in the house or out,” says Tom Witzel of Hesselson’s.
The cost of the alarms can range between $200 up to thousands of dollars.
Code enforcement officials say if you get caught without an alarm, you will be given a warning. After that you can get fined up to $1000 a day until an alarm is placed.
Officials say the law was originally put in place because 26 infants and children under the age of 14 drowned in a pool in 2002.
http://www.zifflaw.com/NYInjuryLawBlog/ny-law...
http://www.dos.ny.gov/DCEA/currpoolreq.htm
Thanks for that Liz.

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#504176 Jun 5, 2013
Rambler wrote:
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From photos, the side gate wasn't extraordinarily high, therefore it would not be described as LOCKED when any person on the outside could gain access by reaching over and UNLATCHING it from the inside.
Given George mentioned he was aware of breakins in the neighbourhood, it's common sense the side gate was LOCKED to prevent easy access into the back yard.
The point is, no one testified to what type of lock it was.

And, no one (oddly) asked.

Standard fencing/gate is 6 feet high.

In this pix, you can clearly see the height of the gate in relation to the roof edge of the front bedroom.

http://www.google.com/imgres...

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Orlando, FL

#504177 Jun 5, 2013
ngrace wrote:
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The point is, no one testified to what type of lock it was.
And, no one (oddly) asked.
Standard fencing/gate is 6 feet high.
In this pix, you can clearly see the height of the gate in relation to the roof edge of the front bedroom.
http://www.google.com/imgres...
How long has your son Noah been playing football?

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#504178 Jun 5, 2013
marcemon wrote:
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So what, then? Did they think Cindy just wouldn't notice that Caylee was gone? That scenario of not wanting to upset Cindy is baloney.
It would've been far worse for Cindy to never know what happened to her granddaughter. That accident cover-up is ridiculous. Makes zero sense.
Marce, I was offering scenarios that could apply, based upon the evidence.

I could have focused on more nefarious reasons, but I didn't.

But given the timeline of events on June 16th, from evidence, I don't think it would be a stretch to assume "think time" would be out of line.

George did ask LE if they found Caylee and it was bad news, to let him be the one to break it to Cindy first. Odd thing to say, given the circumstances. I know that would be the last thing on my mind if I was sitting in police headquarters over the disappearance of my granddaughter and possible involvement of my daughter in harming her in some fatal manner.

Come on, Marce, who would say something like that? I know I would rather have the cops with me if I was the bearer of tragic news, especially if it was criminal in nature. In fact, I would ask the cops to break it to my loved one, while I stood by and offered comfort. I would be too upset over the news to be able to speak, let alone, talk about it. I would want all the support group I could find, because I would be worried about my spouse's reaction....as apparently was George. In fact, now that I think about it, if I was so concerned about how my spouse would react, I would make SURE I had someone with me.

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#504179 Jun 5, 2013
jessesToons wrote:
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How long has your son Noah been playing football?
Sorry, wrong person.

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#504180 Jun 5, 2013
Rambler wrote:
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From photos, the side gate wasn't extraordinarily high, therefore it would not be described as LOCKED when any person on the outside could gain access by reaching over and UNLATCHING it from the inside.
Given George mentioned he was aware of breakins in the neighbourhood, it's common sense the side gate was LOCKED to prevent easy access into the back yard.
Oh, wait.....George told LE that someone told HIM about other break-ins in the neighborhood and that's why he went over to his neighbor's to REPORT to his neighbor about the theft of gas cans.....

ROFLMAO!

The very same neighbor that Casey just happened to ask if she could borrow a shovel from.....the very same neighbor that George said he didn't really know all that well, other than to say hello to.

ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!

Let's see now......George goes outside around 10:00AM on June 24, 2008, to mow his lawn and discovers the break-in and gas can caper......so he calls 911 non-emergency and reports it, and they send Officer Cain out to write up a report.......and then George goes over and tells his neighbor, and then George goes shopping for replacement gas cans (according to DAYS)(but he can't remember WHEN he bought the replacement gas cans from his State depo...oh, wait, no, he said he bought them BEFORE HE KNEW the old ones were missing...no, wait, it was JEFF who asked him why he bought replacement gas cans BEFORE HE KNEW THE OLD ONES WERE MISSING, and he replied with a classic non-answer, "Don''t try to confuse me Jeff", and Jeff says, I"m sorry, I wasn't trying to confuse you", and Jeff never did get a straight answer to the replacement gas can story)..... and then Casey arrives and he "surprises her" (never have figured out why she should be surprised considering his car had to be parked either on the street, in the drive-way, or in the garage, which IS how she entered the house that day, and Casey tells him, "Oh by the way, Mom told me someone broke into the shed and stole your gas cans", and George gets a light-bulb moment and decides he'll try and trick Casey into letting him go into her trunk using the guise that he needs to rotate Cindy's tires on Sunday and he needs the chuck that's in her trunk, and then Casey rushes past him and says, "here are your F'ing gas cans" and he says, "Thanks for making me look like an idiot to the cops", then he gets ready, because according to LDB, he just happened to be off that day, because he had a job interview.......

Have I got that about right?

“FOOTBALL”

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#504181 Jun 6, 2013
I'm not sure if NGrace has kids who playing FB or not however your question is a tough one. Technically we'll be going into year 7, but the first 2 years were so disastrous we ended up taking a year long break.
He was a little too young and wasn't grasping the concept of paying his dues and earning his position on the team.
jessesToons wrote:
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How long has your son Noah been playing football?

“FOOTBALL”

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#504182 Jun 6, 2013
LOL..........you're welcome but I don't do links. Thank Ngrace. I never knew it was a law, I mainly thought it was because of liability reasons.
jessesToons wrote:
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Thanks for that Liz.

“FOOTBALL”

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#504183 Jun 6, 2013
Do you know if alarms are mandatory in Florida? If not they should be. In fact they should be manatory everywhere. It's just too easy for kids to figure out a way into a pool.
ngrace wrote:
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NY LAW: Mandatory Swimming Pool Alarms
New York State lawmakers have finally made a two year old pool alarm rule permanent. If you put a pool in your backyard, you need to have an alarm on it.
State lawmakers passed an emergency ruling two years ago that required all commercial and personal swimming pools to have an alarm system. That ruling expired last month and state lawmakers have now permanently adopted it.
Officials say alarms are required on all pools built or modified after December 14th of 2006. Experts say the temporary blows up pools also need to have alarms.
“Two bolts go into the top rail of the pool, and then the alarm just sits inside. It takes a 9 volt battery. Then there’s a separate remote that plugs into an outlet in your house so can hear it from in the house or out,” says Tom Witzel of Hesselson’s.
The cost of the alarms can range between $200 up to thousands of dollars.
Code enforcement officials say if you get caught without an alarm, you will be given a warning. After that you can get fined up to $1000 a day until an alarm is placed.
Officials say the law was originally put in place because 26 infants and children under the age of 14 drowned in a pool in 2002.
http://www.zifflaw.com/NYInjuryLawBlog/ny-law...
http://www.dos.ny.gov/DCEA/currpoolreq.htm

“FOOTBALL”

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#504184 Jun 6, 2013
Oh geez I never knew if was a NYS law. I just assumed we came from two different types of *hoods*
Double Jeopardy wrote:
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I'm originally from upstate NY and visit often. I know of no private residences or city pools in my upstate NY area that have pool alarms. I have a family member up there who has a pool and children and they do not have a pool alarm, they spent the time to teach their children how to swim.
I'm calling double BS on your story as a desperate attempt to draw attention to yourself. Pathetic!
Rambler

Red Deer, Canada

#504185 Jun 6, 2013
ngrace wrote:
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George did ask LE if they found Caylee and it was bad news, to let him be the one to break it to Cindy first. Odd thing to say, given the circumstances. I know that would be the last thing on my mind if I was sitting in police headquarters over the disappearance of my granddaughter and possible involvement of my daughter in harming her in some fatal manner.
Come on, Marce, who would say something like that? I know I would rather have the cops with me if I was the bearer of tragic news, especially if it was criminal in nature. In fact, I would ask the cops to break it to my loved one, while I stood by and offered comfort. I would be too upset over the news to be able to speak, let alone, talk about it. I would want all the support group I could find, because I would be worried about my spouse's reaction....as apparently was George. In fact, now that I think about it, if I was so concerned about how my spouse would react, I would make SURE I had someone with me.
This is a perfect example of how you see things that aren't there -- because you lack the ability to appreciate that not everyone is YOU. You take one simple statement, knowing at the same time George Anthony had been a police officer and probably routinely broke bad news to others, and spin it into something nefarious based upon your sanctimonious judgement of what you would do in the same circumstance - which no normal person would relish imagining in the first place!

I sympathize with people in your life who you undoubtedly aren't allowed to even think, let alone make choices, unless you approve.
Rambler

Red Deer, Canada

#504186 Jun 6, 2013
ngrace wrote:
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Oh, wait.....George told LE that someone told HIM about other break-ins in the neighborhood and that's why he went over to his neighbor's to REPORT to his neighbor about the theft of gas cans.....
ROFLMAO!
Perhaps you'd be better off not posting here when you're drunk.
Rambler

Red Deer, Canada

#504187 Jun 6, 2013
ngrace wrote:
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Let's see now......George goes outside around 10:00AM on June 24, 2008, to mow his lawn and discovers the break-in and gas can caper......so he calls 911 non-emergency and reports it, and they send Officer Cain out to write up a report.......and then George goes over and tells his neighbor, and then George goes shopping for replacement gas cans (according to DAYS)(but he can't remember WHEN he bought the replacement gas cans from his State depo...oh, wait, no, he said he bought them BEFORE HE KNEW the old ones were missing...no, wait, it was JEFF who asked him why he bought replacement gas cans BEFORE HE KNEW THE OLD ONES WERE MISSING, and he replied with a classic non-answer, "Don''t try to confuse me Jeff", and Jeff says, I"m sorry, I wasn't trying to confuse you", and Jeff never did get a straight answer to the replacement gas can story)..... and then Casey arrives and he "surprises her" (never have figured out why she should be surprised considering his car had to be parked either on the street, in the drive-way, or in the garage, which IS how she entered the house that day, and Casey tells him, "Oh by the way, Mom told me someone broke into the shed and stole your gas cans", and George gets a light-bulb moment and decides he'll try and trick Casey into letting him go into her trunk using the guise that he needs to rotate Cindy's tires on Sunday and he needs the chuck that's in her trunk, and then Casey rushes past him and says, "here are your F'ing gas cans" and he says, "Thanks for making me look like an idiot to the cops", then he gets ready, because according to LDB, he just happened to be off that day, because he had a job interview.......
Have I got that about right?
Yes, and during the trial the convoluted gascan testimony indeed made George look slightly tinged, add to that Cindy's testimony about not knowing Casey was pregnant, Lee's weeping over missing the baby shower - these are only some examples - that culminated in what obviously the jury perceived to be a totally off-the-wall dysfunctional family environment which created reasonable doubt upon the state's case of Casey diabolically premeditating murder simply to go watch a rental movie at her boyfriend's house on a Monday night. Not guilty!
Rambler

Red Deer, Canada

#504188 Jun 6, 2013
OT

Purple martins share secrets
- Myles Fish, June 4, 2013

Some purple martins have made their way back to Central Alberta after a winter down south, and for the first time they are coming back with information to share about their time away.

Last year, researchers from York University came to the Ellis Bird Farm northeast of Red Deer and attached geolocator “backpacks” onto 22 of the birds. The one-gram device records daily flight levels, with researchers later able to determine daily approximate positions based on times of local sunrises and sunsets along the migratory trail.

On May 15, Martin No. 125 — or, more colourfully, Amelia, after the aviation pioneer — was recaptured upon her return to the bird farm for spring breeding. The information gleaned from Amelia shows just how hard she worked travelling to and fro her overwintering spot in central Brazil.

In total, the bird logged 22,300 km over the course of the year. Her official migration distance of 21,000 is the longest such distance that the York University researchers have ever tracked for a purple martin. The average distance for previously-tracked birds is about 14,000 km.

“(The researchers) had no idea that they’d travel that far. They are extremely long-distance migrants,” explained biologist Myrna Pearman at the Ellis Bird Farm.

The data showed that Amelia had three different wintering roosts in Brazil, east of the heart of the Amazon rainforest where other martins have been tracked to. The bird left South America quite late, on April 25, but rocketed back to Ellis Bird Farm in just 21 days at an average of 600 km/day.

More --
http://www.reddeeradvocate.com/news/Purple_ma...

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Stories like these remind me of religious prophesisers who proclaim to have a direct pipeline with god -- let's see any one of them make their way in 21 days from Brazil to Central Alberta without any technological or mechanical assistance. LOL
Riverside

Riverside, CA

#504190 Jun 6, 2013
ngrace wrote:
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Exiting the backyard via the side gate would lead to the front yard/driveway.
Someone HAD to have been exiting the backyard via the side gate, as it was kept "locked".
The side gate was unlocked and the pool ladder was up.....and no matter who disagrees with me, I stand behind my conclusion that someone was in a panic/hurry, when he/she exited that backyard pool area.
and it still all points to Casey trying to dispose of Caylees body. Even George and Cindy felt that it did before they changed their story! You are really are under the spell of all the paid to lie defense experts. They all said just what you wanted to hear and that was not the truth!
Hope you enjoy the two strange friends you have here! You all have alot in common....

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