CASEY: Does the State Have the Goods ...

“FOOTBALL”

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#504089 Jun 4, 2013
Ngrace I did pretty much the same thing before. My son was just under an year old and the doctor said to start introducing solid foods to his diet. The kids and I went out to lunch where I gave the baby a little bit of scrambled eggs. A few minutes later he was sitting in his stroller as we were shopping around the mall. I looked down at him and all of a sudden his face was red and swollen, he had hives, trouble breathing and looked like he was falling asleep. I quick grabbed him out of his stroller ( left the stroller right at the mall) and took him myself to the hospital which was only about 5 minutes away. I don't even remember the drive there , just that I kept telling my daughter to keep bouncing the baby and blowing air in his face so he wouldn't fall asleep. Needless to say we went back to baby food and I never gave the boy a egg again for about 10 years.
ngrace wrote:
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Actually in my situation, I didn't waste time calling 911.....instead I grabbed him up and ran shoeless and coatless to the car, ran every red-light, and was at the ER within minutes.
I suspect the reason the side gate was left open was because Casey tried to do the very same thing.
That's how mothers react when it comes to their kids........they don't stop and think, they just go.

“LEST WE FORGET...”

Since: Apr 09

MT DORA FL

#504090 Jun 4, 2013
ngrace wrote:
That pic of George at Quinco is from 2011. What is he doing now?
Rambler

Red Deer, Canada

#504091 Jun 4, 2013
ngrace wrote:
About that open side gate.....I don't think anybody has given it much importance.
But the fact is, that gate locked on the inside.....meaning it had to have been unlocked from within the back-yard.
It was left open, indicating someone was in a panic when they unlocked it from the back-yard side and ran through it, especially as the most natural thing for any resident of that home would be to re-enter the house via the screened in patio and exit from the garage or front door.
This fact from evidence, along with the pool ladder being up, supports the drowning theory, imo.
It's as if you have a problem with the concept that the PASSAGE OF TIME alone works toward disproving or proving unknown situations. It's as this is September, 2008 to you........and you lack the ability to focus on events over the past five years from a June, 2013 perspective.

Prior to December 11, 2008 an accidental drowning was a possibility, but other events occurred LATER which now disprove it........

- mainly the discovery of the body with too small shorts (but that connected to a video just happened to be found by an Internet poster), a shirt Cindy had never seen before (Big Trouble comes in Small Packages (that a reported exboyfriend just happened to have a photo of, which he sold to the Globe BEFORE the body was found), not to mention the laundry bag and the garbage bags and a chosen disposal site littered with garbage and rattle snakes is NOT how ANY panicked, loving mother (or relative) treats a victim of an accident.

- that in FIVE years, nobody has admitted to involvement.....not Casey, not George....even in Jose Baez opening statement (which is not evidence) he left open the door the possibility that the disturbed, child molesting grandfather INTENTIONALLY drowned Caylee.
Rambler

Red Deer, Canada

#504093 Jun 4, 2013
Riverside wrote:
I posted Casey had ruined his life !
How can you be the judge of who's life "is ruined".

I'm constantly admire the resiliency of some people who have suffered and endured horrible, traumatic, unimaginable situations far beyond a death of a loved one -- how they have the ability to move on making the best of the worst....often by choosing to serve as a positive role model to others.

If on the other hand you are referring to someone who Casey was expected to "get off the hook" by admitting to something which didn't occur -- she didn't ruin anyone's life - he did it to himself.
Rambler

Red Deer, Canada

#504094 Jun 4, 2013
whataboutcaylee wrote:
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That pic of George at Quinco is from 2011. What is he doing now?
Waiting for the upcoming trials, currently protected in a Witness Protection Program, is my bet.
Rambler

Red Deer, Canada

#504095 Jun 4, 2013
ngrace wrote:
<quoted text>
Gladly.
You initially wrote that neither of them had a job.
I gave you the link for his last known job, which you poo-pooed as being 2 years out of date.
My comment came from discovery released in the case......private emails became public record.
"Gossipy old bag"??????????
Not hardly.
About those emails from what's his name, the Rev, to OCSO which were withheld from being released in discovery against her -- private emails become preserved evidence in upcoming trials.

"There will come a time when I will say all and answer all.
I promise you that."

Will he or won't he?
Rambler

Red Deer, Canada

#504096 Jun 4, 2013
Rambler wrote:
Oh and ngracie.....just thought of this....
While you continue to insist that the public has been presented ALL the information regarding Caylee's murder (and I continue to insist otherwise, using the example that the mother of the deceased Eric Baker in Kentucky said the FBI told her Casey thought the child may be with the biological father's parents), I just thought of another example.
In the interview by Yuri Melich at the TES command center of all places.....between he and The Rev, references were made to emails the Rev had sent the OCSO about the case. Those emails were never released in discovery either.
Preservation of evidence!
ngrace wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong poster, again, as I've never posted anything of the sort.
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You never posted anything of WHAT sort?

If you are agreeing with me that not all evidence regarding the murder of Caylee was released to the public, then common sense would tell you that's the reason the prosecutor allowed George to defend himself on the stand and thereby the state "cleared" his of any involvement.

And that is also the reason a production witness was the Medical Examiner, who ruled Caylee's death HOMICIDE by underdetermined means. You ought to be smart enough to realize NO prosecution is held responsible for PROVING to a jury exactly when, how and where a murder took place in a "dry bones" case -- only that beyond a reasonable doubt the defendant was responsible for the death, while observing - perhaps even playing an active role - toward an innocent person being blamed for it.
tired of silly

Tavares, FL

#504097 Jun 4, 2013
Rambler wrote:
<quoted text>
Waiting for the upcoming trials, currently protected in a Witness Protection Program, is my bet.
Ahhhhhhhhhhh my morning dose of Rambler's diseased brain theories..........damn, that witness protection program must be getting crowded.
Rambler

Red Deer, Canada

#504098 Jun 4, 2013
tired of silly wrote:
<quoted text>
Ahhhhhhhhhhh my morning dose of Rambler's diseased brain theories..........damn, that witness protection program must be getting crowded.
Well you know what they say about psychos and lightbulbs......the fact is, in our transient and global society today coupled with the wonders of cosmetic surgery it's very easy for people to take on the role of a different person, right?
tired of silly

Tavares, FL

#504099 Jun 4, 2013
Rambler wrote:
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Well you know what they say about psychos and lightbulbs......the fact is, in our transient and global society today coupled with the wonders of cosmetic surgery it's very easy for people to take on the role of a different person, right?
Perhaps in psycho-land where you live surrounded by "imposters", but in the real world where the real people live, people very rarely change their identities, and there are no imposters. You see, our brains perceive stimuli accurately. Your perceptions are tainted by the fact that you are stark raving mad.
Rambler

Red Deer, Canada

#504100 Jun 4, 2013
From Websleuths
11-30-2008, 08:00 AM

Posted by --
marmar

Good morning. You might want to change your title. It's Reverend Richard Grund, Jesse is the son who was engaged to KC at one time.

I think Mr. Grund has a vested interest in Caylee because at one point, he thought that she was his granddaughter, and had grown very close to her. From what I understand, KC and Caylee spent a lot of time at the Grund house when her and Jesse were engaged especially. I've seen pictures of them opening Christmas presents, etc.

I would think they became very close to Caylee during that time period. She was adorable and I don't see who couldn't. I think he also sees an injustice being done to Caylee and feels the need to defend her. His son has also been implicated by CA and was blamed at one point for Caylee being missing. I can certainly understand why he has a vested interest in this case. He was pretty much unheard from until CA blamed Jesse and then he felt the need to defend his family.

Anyone who is willing to be a voice for Caylee is speaking up and because he had loved Caylee like she was his own granddaughter, he feels very passionate about this.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.p...

*******
Ngracie while you continue to focus on an accidental drowning theory that to no one but you can make one lick of sense out of happening, no matter how many days, weeks and years you preach it.....have you forgotten thousands of Internet posts such as this, regarding the Rev's noble cause in the defense of Jesse? As a matter of fact, the Rev proclaimed himself "Caylee's spokeperson".

Apparently, according to this poster, "they became very close to Caylee during this time period".

The last publcialy spoken words of the Rev, post-acquittal, when he was interviewed by Vinnie Politan was "this isn"t over by a long shot" because he was outraged with Jose Baez for something that had been done to HIM and his family,

I'm curious what why you think the Rev was so angry at his son NOT being thrown under the bus and why neither RG or Jesse has ever publicly spoken about the case since then.
Rambler

Red Deer, Canada

#504101 Jun 4, 2013
tired of silly wrote:
<quoted text>
Perhaps in psycho-land where you live surrounded by "imposters", but in the real world where the real people live, people very rarely change their identities, and there are no imposters. You see, our brains perceive stimuli accurately. Your perceptions are tainted by the fact that you are stark raving mad.
"There are no imposters"?

You need to step back into realty!

Just what do you think IDENTITY THEFT means?

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New reports show identity theft increasing
March 8, 2013

Two new reports found identity theft is increasing at an alarming rate, with more complaints filed with the Federal Trade Commission than ever before. Target 11 Consumer Investigator Robin Taylor takes a look at this disturbing trend.

Every three seconds, there's a new victim of identity theft, according to a new report.

"Once they've stolen your identity, it's gone," said Teresa Simko, whose identity was stolen in 2011.

For the 11th straight year, the FTC says identity theft is their No. 1 complaint. It affects millions of people and costs taxpayers and businesses billions of dollars.

"My bank used my Social Security number for my account number. Once they had that, it was a free for all," said Simko, of Westmoreland County.

Simko's account with her credit union was hacked two years ago. Since then, thieves have opened dozens of accounts in her name.

"As long as you have decent credit, they will keep going and keep going until they can destroy your credit," said Simko.

She's filed a police report, a fraud alert and has even put a seven-year lock on her credit, but the bills keep coming for merchandise she didn't order.

"Oh I get all the bills, but the packages go all over the United States," said Simko.

And last year, someone filed a tax return in her name.

"A completely erroneous, completely fraudulent tax return," said Simko.

"The crime of ID theft has gotten worse," said Mike Prusinski, the chief of staff at Tiversa, a company that specializes in detecting cybercrime.

We took Simko's information to Mike Prusinski, an identity theft expert, who found her Social Security number in the hands of criminals in the United Kingdom, Switzerland and the Philippines.

"They get your name, your address, your Social Security number, your date of birth," said Prusinski.

The real trend now is stealing from the government, whether it is tax returns, welfare checks, or documents like a passport.

Prusinski found two passport applications in Simko's name along with multiple fraudulent tax returns.

"Once that Social Security number is in the wrong hands, they're going to keep using it, over and over and over again until you can get somebody to turn it off for you," said Prusinski.

http://www.wpxi.com/news/news/local/new-repor...
Riverside

Riverside, CA

#504102 Jun 4, 2013
LizW wrote:
Ngrace I did pretty much the same thing before. My son was just under an year old and the doctor said to start introducing solid foods to his diet. The kids and I went out to lunch where I gave the baby a little bit of scrambled eggs. A few minutes later he was sitting in his stroller as we were shopping around the mall. I looked down at him and all of a sudden his face was red and swollen, he had hives, trouble breathing and looked like he was falling asleep. I quick grabbed him out of his stroller ( left the stroller right at the mall) and took him myself to the hospital which was only about 5 minutes away. I don't even remember the drive there , just that I kept telling my daughter to keep bouncing the baby and blowing air in his face so he wouldn't fall asleep. Needless to say we went back to baby food and I never gave the boy a egg again for about 10 years.<quoted text>
I don't think your story is the same as what we were talking about! Hives -- drown baby "
Rambler

Red Deer, Canada

#504103 Jun 4, 2013
Why would criminals who engage in IDENTITY THEFT - which very obviously evolved ORGANIZED CRIME - stop at impersonating a victim only to benefit financially?

What of those people who the ORGANIZED CRIME rings deem are not trustworthy, people who know too much, people who stand in the way of the success of the mission which required that illegal financing?

Of course it follows basic logic that the leaders of ORGANIZED CRIME wouldn't hesitate that victims of impersonation are implicated in committing crimes they are totally innocent of, in order to "destroy evidence" including potential witnesses!

I'm not talking about ordinary, normal people - I'm referring to diabolical PSYCHOPATHS who merely use people much like pawns in a game of chess!

Level 7

Since: Feb 09

Location hidden

#504104 Jun 4, 2013
Riverside wrote:
<quoted text> NGrace the side gate did not lead to the garage or house ! Why would someone in a panic take the time to go get the keys to the padlock then open it. When all other entrances would not been locked ? The gate had a padlock on it! Casey was not at home when she killed Caylee she was in her car.
I don't recall Cindy testifying that the gate had a padlock on it. All I remember hearing was that it only "opened" from the inside. Wooden gates like theirs, usually have a hook and eye closure.

(The sheds had padlocks, though).

My point was, someone in the home would have gone out to the pool area from inside the house/screened porch area, and would have returned back into the house the same way.

But someone in a panic, and looking for help, would run out to the driveway area, using the quickest route and to me, that would be by using the side gate rather than going back through the screened porch and through the house and exiting via the front door or garage. Especially if carrying a child found in the pool.

The side gate being open was unusual, so unusual, Cindy reported it to co-workers. She also reported on the same day, she found the pool ladder up, something that shouldn't be up. What's significant about these 2 events is, Cindy told co-workers about it before Caylee was ever reported missing.

That visual screams that something happened involving the pool, imo.

Level 7

Since: Feb 09

Location hidden

#504105 Jun 4, 2013
* "hook and eye closure, or, a slide bolt-type lock."

“Trixie”

Level 8

Since: Nov 11

the mad russian

#504106 Jun 4, 2013
Rambler wrote:
<quoted text>
Waiting for the upcoming trials, currently protected in a Witness Protection Program, is my bet.
What upcoming trials?

“Trixie”

Level 8

Since: Nov 11

the mad russian

#504107 Jun 4, 2013
tired of silly wrote:
<quoted text>
Ahhhhhhhhhhh my morning dose of Rambler's diseased brain theories..........damn, that witness protection program must be getting crowded.
It's the in thing now. All the celebrities want in.

“Trixie”

Level 8

Since: Nov 11

the mad russian

#504108 Jun 4, 2013
Rambler wrote:
<quoted text>
"There are no imposters"?
You need to step back into realty!
Just what do you think IDENTITY THEFT means?
*********
New reports show identity theft increasing
March 8, 2013
Two new reports found identity theft is increasing at an alarming rate, with more complaints filed with the Federal Trade Commission than ever before. Target 11 Consumer Investigator Robin Taylor takes a look at this disturbing trend.
Every three seconds, there's a new victim of identity theft, according to a new report.
"Once they've stolen your identity, it's gone," said Teresa Simko, whose identity was stolen in 2011.
For the 11th straight year, the FTC says identity theft is their No. 1 complaint. It affects millions of people and costs taxpayers and businesses billions of dollars.
"My bank used my Social Security number for my account number. Once they had that, it was a free for all," said Simko, of Westmoreland County.
Simko's account with her credit union was hacked two years ago. Since then, thieves have opened dozens of accounts in her name.
"As long as you have decent credit, they will keep going and keep going until they can destroy your credit," said Simko.
She's filed a police report, a fraud alert and has even put a seven-year lock on her credit, but the bills keep coming for merchandise she didn't order.
"Oh I get all the bills, but the packages go all over the United States," said Simko.
And last year, someone filed a tax return in her name.
"A completely erroneous, completely fraudulent tax return," said Simko.
"The crime of ID theft has gotten worse," said Mike Prusinski, the chief of staff at Tiversa, a company that specializes in detecting cybercrime.
We took Simko's information to Mike Prusinski, an identity theft expert, who found her Social Security number in the hands of criminals in the United Kingdom, Switzerland and the Philippines.
"They get your name, your address, your Social Security number, your date of birth," said Prusinski.
The real trend now is stealing from the government, whether it is tax returns, welfare checks, or documents like a passport.
Prusinski found two passport applications in Simko's name along with multiple fraudulent tax returns.
"Once that Social Security number is in the wrong hands, they're going to keep using it, over and over and over again until you can get somebody to turn it off for you," said Prusinski.
http://www.wpxi.com/news/news/local/new-repor...
For the 80th time, identity thieves are not impostors. They are criminals who steal someone's personal & financial info to buy as many things as they can with that info. That is a very short window b/c people quickly report the problem to their banks.

You seem to think a 30-yr-old meth addict appears in public & pretends to be Mary Jones, whose info he stole. You think he walks into a bank to cash a check as her?

Level 7

Since: Feb 09

Location hidden

#504109 Jun 4, 2013
Riverside wrote:
<quoted text> You have the right to believe what ever makes you happy. I think you are a person who feels a deep connection to Casey. I recall posting with you on another news thread that closed down, when this first happened and way before any of the fake theories were spread. You supported Casey even then, yet no one else was.
I did question things when the first docs were released, especially after pouring over the chemical analysis report as submitted by Dr. Vass. Not many people read the report, or if they did, they didn't pay attention to it.

Prior to that report being released, the media hyped the dead body in the car smell to the point it became fact. However, the chemical analysis didn't support it.

So I told people we needed to wait and see both sides before forming an opinion that only pointed towards guilt.(I remember someone posting that I would make a perfect juror because I was keeping an open mind, although I was in the minority who thought there could be two sides to the story, said same poster).

Then when Caylee's remains were found, and I knew there was no way that TS Faye flooded that area, as was also being hyped, and therefore I didn't believe Caylee had been there the entire time, combined with that missing TM live interview where he said he searched that spot himself and she wasn't there, I became even more suspicious of the State's case.

So while you remember my supporting Casey almost from the beginning, actually in the beginning before the reports started coming out, I, too, thought she was guilty as sin and was appalled same as everyone else that she did not report her child missing for 31 days. In fact, on that old blog, it was me who first posted that she had been arrested again.....in fact, I cheered about it, too.

My only connection to Casey is, I don't like to see anyone convicted in the court of public opinion without actual evidence, which was the case here.

I think Casey got a raw deal all the way around and by nature, I tend to over-analyse things until I can satisfy my own questions with undisputed facts. The trial only raised more questions than it answered, especially as to who put Caylee in those woods.

It makes no sense that a good mother would ever intentionally harm her child. Even more so when there was no evidence that withstood cross examination to support that she did.

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