CASEY: Does the State Have the Goods ...

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Since: Feb 13

Orlando, FL

#502200 Mar 17, 2013
VAN SUSTEREN: Jesse, I read through the statement that you gave to the police, and one thing that struck me -- and this is in no -- no way a justification for -- you know, for a murder or anything. But she had a tough -- it describes a tough relationship with her mother, and she was making up stories that her parents were going to move out of the house, that her father had a stroke. I mean, there's sort of a string of stories in June and July.

JESSE GRUND: Yes. That's correct. No one's ever confirmed whether or not those stories were true or false in some of those instances. We know that she has been a stranger to the truth at times. However, we also know that -- we don't know the extent of every story that she's fed to all of us in regards to whether or not it really was true. Were her parents actually going to break up and she was going to move out? I mean, that -- in my opinion...

VAN SUSTEREN: How about the relationship -- how about the relationship with her mother? What was that like?

JESSE GRUND: Adversarial would be the best choice of words. There was a -- I mean, when Caylee was born, the first person to hold Caylee was not Casey, it was Cindy. When Cindy would be around Caylee, she had called herself Mommy, even with Casey sitting in the room. This was not -- she'd come over to our house and tell me that she didn't want to end up being like her mother when she grew up.

RICHARD GRUND: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: Richard, do you -- have you been dealing with the police or with any of the -- any of the other lawyers for the other parties?

RICHARD GRUND: I haven't dealt with any of the other lawyers. I have spoken to law enforcement, and I do know, you know, most of the other players involved, but I haven't met with any of the other lawyers.

VAN SUSTEREN: How about you, Darryl? Are you talking to the other lawyers and the police?

COHEN: No, I'm not talking to the other lawyers, Greta, nor the police. And I can only say that in a case like this, as you've seen over the years, there's a lot of misinformation and disinformation, and you have to kind of shed it and go straight to the truth. And I think that the prosecution is going to do that.

VAN SUSTEREN: Jesse, one last question to you. If Casey were here tonight, what would you say to her?

JESSE GRUND: Greta, I don't know if there's anything I have to say to her right now because -- I hate to beat a dead horse, as they say, but the person that you're showing in the photos right now, that's not the same person. I don't know her. And if that was the same person, I'd tell her to stop lying and tell the truth. But I wouldn't have to tell that to that person because this wouldn't be happening.

VAN SUSTEREN: I can tell you loved that little girl, too.

JESSE GRUND: I said a piece of paper couldn't tell me not to love her like my daughter.

VAN SUSTEREN: Gentlemen, thank you very much. And we, of course, are staying on the story, but I certainly appreciate you coming here and talking to us tonight.

COHEN: Thank you, Greta.

RICHARD GRUND: Thank you, Greta.

JESSE GRUND: Thank you, Greta.

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SunnyDaysAhead

Huntington, IN

#502201 Mar 17, 2013
Rambler wrote:
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In 2008 Lou Pearlman was sentenced to 25 years in prison for defrauding 1,800 investors of $317 million through his company Trans Continental Airlines, a private air charter service. He marketed Trans Con’s Employee Investment Savings Account program (EISA) as a safe harbor, insured by the FDIC and producing consistent above-market returns of 6-14%.
http://www.ponziclawbacks.com/2012/11/08/wher...
Can you explain something for me?
How can 1,800 employees of an airline company that never existed have invested $317 million in it?
Only in Florida.
SunnyDaysAhead

Huntington, IN

#502210 Mar 17, 2013
Rambler wrote:
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But the assets were not hidden, or Warren Johnson wouldn't have been convicted of bankruptcy fraud.
That was my point.
He must have THOUGHT they were hidden if he actually believed he could claim indigency in a bankruptcy proceeding.
DianeAx

United States

#502212 Mar 17, 2013
jessesToons wrote:
RICHARD GRUND: Well, the most unusual thing was she appeared to be pregnant, even though she was telling everybody she wasn't.
VAN SUSTEREN: And Jesse, that child was born in August. That child is not your child, right?
JESSE GRUND: That's correct, Greta. I had a paternity test done about six weeks after Caylee was born, waited the required time, paid for it, and it said it was a zero percent probability I was Caylee's father.
VAN SUSTEREN: What provoked that, though? Was there some question about it? Was Casey trying to say that you were the father?
JESSE GRUND: Well, I'm not a doctor, but I know that you have to be pregnant for nine months to have a baby full term, as far as I understand. And we were not together until the end of January and the baby was born full term in August. It would be tough for the math to add up for me to biologically be her father.
VAN SUSTEREN: Did she insist that you were the father?
JESSE GRUND: The entire time. She would not have it any other way, and she got angry with me if I tried to insist anything else.
VAN SUSTEREN: Is there -- when you first met her, obviously, at that point, she probably was already pregnant when you first met her. Did she ever talk about any other guy in her life?
JESSE GRUND: Well, she said she dated somebody in high school the year before but she had not really had any serious relationships. She said I was different from anybody else. And there was a definitive chemistry there and a difference between the two of us. And I had, you know, dated other people before, but I felt something very different with Casey than I did with anybody else.
VAN SUSTEREN: In the time between January, about when you met her, and let's say late August or September, did you ever think there was anything odd about her? I mean, did she ever lie to you or anything peculiar about her at all?
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The rest of the story...

From RG's Sept '08 interview:

RG: You know, uhm, my problem with the story was is when I first met Casey personally, it was early of '05.

JA: Uh-hum (affirmative).

RG: I want to say either, it would probably be June because Chris had just gotten out of school and she helped him get a job at Kodak.

JA: Yeah (affirmative).

RG: She came to our house to give Chris some paperwork for the job. Jesse came inside and I asked him who that was. He said, "Remember that girl I dated last year? That's her." I said, "Jesse, she's pregnant." "Oh, no, she, no, she's having some female problem." I said, "No, Jesse, I know when I see a pregnant woman. She's pregnant."

In 2005 "...that girl I dated last year..." would mean 2004.

Caylee was born in August 2005.

Makes it possible forJesse to be Caylee's dad - gestationally speaking.

Makes the math work, as Jesse might say.
Rambler

Red Deer, Canada

#502213 Mar 17, 2013
SunnyDaysAhead wrote:
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He must have THOUGHT they were hidden if he actually believed he could claim indigency in a bankruptcy proceeding.
Yes, but people that stupid don't become wealthy. I'm just sort of curious who blew the whistle on him, that's all.
SunnyDaysAhead

Huntington, IN

#502214 Mar 17, 2013
DianeAx wrote:
<quoted text> The rest of the story...
From RG's Sept '08 interview:
RG: You know, uhm, my problem with the story was is when I first met Casey personally, it was early of '05.
JA: Uh-hum (affirmative).
RG: I want to say either, it would probably be June because Chris had just gotten out of school and she helped him get a job at Kodak.
JA: Yeah (affirmative).
RG: She came to our house to give Chris some paperwork for the job. Jesse came inside and I asked him who that was. He said, "Remember that girl I dated last year? That's her." I said, "Jesse, she's pregnant." "Oh, no, she, no, she's having some female problem." I said, "No, Jesse, I know when I see a pregnant woman. She's pregnant."
In 2005 "...that girl I dated last year..." would mean 2004.
Caylee was born in August 2005.
Makes it possible forJesse to be Caylee's dad - gestationally speaking.
Makes the math work, as Jesse might say.
Back in 2007 Jesse also said he had DATED Casey in 2004, and that they were together "one year and a half" before she dumped him.

It would be so cool to watch someone open a can of Juan Martinez on Jesse and Richard Grund, concerning their various stories.
SunnyDaysAhead

Huntington, IN

#502215 Mar 17, 2013
Rambler wrote:
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Yes, but people that stupid don't become wealthy. I'm just sort of curious who blew the whistle on him, that's all.
I heard he was writing a book.

Level 2

Since: Feb 13

Orlando, FL

#502224 Mar 17, 2013
Only a true psycho babbling idiot could do what you do Talking to yourself on this thread Jessica. It is fitting that you are left chatting it up with your own self here. After all this is your life...

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Since: Feb 13

Orlando, FL

#502226 Mar 17, 2013
DianeAx wrote:
<quoted text> The rest of the story...
From RG's Sept '08 interview:
RG: You know, uhm, my problem with the story was is when I first met Casey personally, it was early of '05.
JA: Uh-hum (affirmative).
RG: I want to say either, it would probably be June because Chris had just gotten out of school and she helped him get a job at Kodak.
JA: Yeah (affirmative).
RG: She came to our house to give Chris some paperwork for the job. Jesse came inside and I asked him who that was. He said, "Remember that girl I dated last year? That's her." I said, "Jesse, she's pregnant." "Oh, no, she, no, she's having some female problem." I said, "No, Jesse, I know when I see a pregnant woman. She's pregnant."
In 2005 "...that girl I dated last year..." would mean 2004.
Caylee was born in August 2005.
Makes it possible forJesse to be Caylee's dad - gestationally speaking.
Makes the math work, as Jesse might say.
Thanks, must of missed that part.

Casey Shows Sadness When Jesse Grund Leaves The Stand



Jesse Grund Casey’s ex fiance is a remarkable young man in my view/ How man men would step the plate add act as a child’s father even though it was not their biological child? Jessie did that. He loved Casey flaws and all. He saw her issues yet he was willing to love her unconditionally. Even his mom and Minister dad Richard Grund embraced Casey.

They all got along and treated Casey as a loving member of their family. They even reported that Casey flourished around their family. But then when Cindy saw that Jesse was not the bio father she became her miserable controlling self and apparently put a wedge between Casey and Jesse. She wanted control over Caylee and did not want Jesse or the Grunds in the picture.

So Casey and Jesse broke up which was a huge mistake in my view because Jesse’s family could have been the stabilizing force that Casey so desperately needed in her life. It would have shown her alive of function unlike her own dysfunctional family.

She may have even received a good dosage of religion with the help of Jesse’s minister father Reverend Grund. Maybe if she found religion she would have learned to not be jealous of Caylee and even forgive her mother and father and Lee. Maybe it would have helped her keep her satanic dark side at bay.

While Casey dated a myriad of men after Jesse, she never wanted to completely cut the cord with him. In my view she knew he was a good guy who really loved her and was not using her like the others. She wanted to keep him in sight after she was done having her flings and hookups. She knew he was the real deal so if she got rejected from all of the men she had, she no doubt fantasized that she could always get Jesse back whenever she wanted.

But she was wrong. He moved on and so did she with Tony Lazarro. The one thing I will say in Casey’s favor is that she did choose some really good men who genuinely cared for her.

Jesse testified about Lee’s standofishness towards him and about Casey reporting that he sexually molested her . Just to show you what kind of terrific guy Jesse is, he didn’t question Casey about Lee’s molestation. Instead he was there for her in case she wanted to speak about it.

My view is that Casey and Jesse they ended up together perhaps Caylee would still be alive. With Jesse and his family’s functional love and Casey being away from controlling Cindy in particular, perhaps Casey would have had a chance at a good Life- a rea; Bella Vida.

Evidently Casey must have though those same thoughts because she glanced at Jesse as he walked off the stand. You could see the sad downward coursing of her lips. In the photo above she has quickly turned away. She looks wistful. She looks sad about the life she could have had and not the life she has now. www.drlillianglass.com
SunnyDaysAhead

Huntington, IN

#502229 Mar 18, 2013
WhiteTrashBloger wrote:
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That was a good article, spot on...I would bet a million bucks that KC wishes she stayed with you...ending this nightmare she is living now...
How would Jesse have the power to change Casey's fate; unless he was the one who created it?
SunnyDaysAhead

Huntington, IN

#502230 Mar 18, 2013
Rambler wrote:
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Link your source please.
I'd prefer not to.
SunnyDaysAhead

Huntington, IN

#502231 Mar 18, 2013
DianeAx wrote:
<quoted text> OMG!
That is PERFECT!
I trust you've shared that with those who need to know.
Didn't even need to.

Btw, Leonard Padilla said he didn't introduce them.
Someone is lying.

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Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#502246 Mar 18, 2013
What happened here? Where is everyone?
Rambler did you and Days purchase this thread as your private forum now ?
I hope I'm not violating any new rules or copyright's by posting on it.

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Since: Apr 09

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#502247 Mar 18, 2013
Murphey_Law wrote:
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The Cobra called me in early March 2009..and told me that Rev.Richard Grund was a long time friend of his...and swore
He did'nt like Leonard Padilla in an email..saying Padilla and I don't see eye to eye...
I know Leonard is not Kosher..nor the is Cobra nor is the Reverend
They all have a lot to explain...
Money talks and bullcraps walk...
Soon or later, the REAL Liars will all be EXPOSED...
The Federal Bankcruptcy court will connect the true criminals...
Follow the Money...Money is the name of the game.
It's LOVE is the Roots of all EVIL..
incl.the REV and especially the Rev.
3014

The bankruptcy court will have nothing to do with the Criminal case. Casey is the the killer, the world knows that. The others had nothing to do with Casey or the killing, other than trying to garner a little fame. It worked ! Look at all the talk about them on this forum. Not many people had heard of any of these characters until Casey killed her child.
They all claim to be best friends now. Guess friendship can develop in 4 years.

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Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#502248 Mar 18, 2013
Cobra was not involved with the Casey case.
His career was derailed for a short time when he tried to assist in locating the high profile, and still missing Haleigh Cummings.
All he did in the Caylee case was to check out a bogus tip that didn't pan out.
MaryIsShizzle

Huntington, IN

#502255 Mar 18, 2013
DianeAx wrote:
<quoted text> Easy enough to find.
:D
I found it pretty easy. LOL
MaryIsShizzle

Huntington, IN

#502256 Mar 18, 2013
DianeAx wrote:
<quoted text> Word for word.
Is that you, Simon?
WORD FOR WORD!
MaryIsShizzle

Huntington, IN

#502257 Mar 18, 2013
Mainstream media is running with the "Trustee to auction Casey's story", story.

Would that be her real life story - or the life story Jose Baez created for her defense?
MaryIsShizzle

Huntington, IN

#502258 Mar 18, 2013
What if her story rights sell for more than her debts? Does Casey get to keep the balance?
MaryIsShizzle

Huntington, IN

#502259 Mar 18, 2013
If Cheney Mason is the highest bidder - can he transfer the rights back to her?

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