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#501308 Mar 9, 2013
KC4CONGRESS wrote:
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No one STAGES an accident to LOOK LIKE a murder.
It's murder.
You have a point, but what if it was staged to cover up not reporting it, as alleged by Casey?

If this was a typical family, I would agree with you on this, but as George and Casey would not want Cindy to find out until they came up with a better way to tell her, I could understand it.

I think the story makes sense and I also think there's enough in evidence to back it up.

Besides, why would Casey keep it a secret if there was someone else involved? As you say, no one stages a crime scene to look like a murder if it was an accident, I say, no one risks the DP to cover up a killing.

Especially when it involved the death of her own child.

Unless she was taking the fall for someone she loved more than her own child, which I don't believe is possible for any mother to do.

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#501309 Mar 9, 2013
KC4CONGRESS wrote:
"Casey agrees with us that this was a murder!" --Jeff Ashton
"Have you been in the position where you're interviewing a witness and it becomes apparent that that person is lying to you?" -
Linda Drane Burdick
KC 4 CONGRESS

United States

#501312 Mar 9, 2013
ngrace wrote:
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You have a point, but what if it was staged to cover up not reporting it, as alleged by Casey?
Casey was indicted in October 2008 with a feeling in her gut that Caylee was still ALIVE.

Casey didn't report Caylee's death because Casey didn't know there was a death to REPORT.

Casey learned Caylee was likely dead at the same time the public did. December 2008.

THAT is what the evidence shows. THAT is the only story the evidence supports.

Level 4

Since: Jan 13

Red Deer, Canada

#501313 Mar 9, 2013
Why do you all write exactly the same? right down to the "quotes". LMAO. Its so easy to see you are all still the same person from ohio... Pathetically funny...

Have fun, repeating yourself.

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Since: Jan 13

Red Deer, Canada

#501314 Mar 9, 2013
The UPPERCASE will throw them off.LOL
KC 4 CONGRESS

United States

#501316 Mar 9, 2013
"I can tell you, nobody in our office thinks that you or George or Lee, are suspects at all.
I mean we NEVER talked in any way, shape or form about you guys having knowledge of ANYTHING that's happened to Caylee, or in any other way.
And what you see in the media and what you hear in the news has not been fair or right in their reporting of you, George and Lee." -- ORANGE COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE COMMANDER M. IRWIN SEPTEMBER 2008

And that's because the Anthony's were a 'typical family' whose daughter got tangled up with fvcking psychos.

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#501317 Mar 9, 2013
Rambler wrote:
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The video is VERY interesting!
And no, I don't think that was the CMA either, but because the unsigned BK documents on the media website are obviously bogus. How do we know who we think is CMA is not ZFG? Spin, spin, spin!
However I noticed on the court docket why the Orlando attorney who Schrader who stood in for was "unnamed", when he originally filed the motion requesting to delay the first hearing. It was Shuker.
I don't understand what you're saying here.

Schrader filed the BK petition; Schrader asked for a postponement because he had to appear in the Mirabilis case, of which, Shuker represented the appellant.

So are you saying Schrader and Shuker were co-counsels?

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#501319 Mar 9, 2013
Rambler wrote:
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"I say, no one risks the DP to cover up a killing."
Explain yourself.
DAYS said it was a murder and bases that opinion on the staged crime scene and concludes that no one would stage a crime scene to look like a murder if it was an accident.

I take the opposite viewpoint, that if Caylee was murdered (which I don't believe), Casey would not risk getting the death penalty if she knew who was responsible (if Caylee was murdered, which again, I don't believe she was).
KC 4 CONGRESS

United States

#501320 Mar 9, 2013
ngrace wrote:
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"Have you been in the position where you're interviewing a witness and it becomes apparent that that person is lying to you?" -
Linda Drane Burdick
"Is there anyone else that YOU think we need to be investigating?"
-- Linda Drane Burdick to Lee Anthony July 2009 State Deposition

Not a question you would expect to hear from someone with the 'goods to convict'.

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#501322 Mar 9, 2013
KC 4 CONGRESS wrote:
"I can tell you, nobody in our office thinks that you or George or Lee, are suspects at all.
I mean we NEVER talked in any way, shape or form about you guys having knowledge of ANYTHING that's happened to Caylee, or in any other way.
And what you see in the media and what you hear in the news has not been fair or right in their reporting of you, George and Lee." -- ORANGE COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE COMMANDER M. IRWIN SEPTEMBER 2008
And that's because the Anthony's were a 'typical family' whose daughter got tangled up with fvcking psychos.
Stop posting that audio snippet, Days......the entire recording was designed to get Cindy vis-a-vis the A's, to agree to taking a polygraph. What better way to allay her fears (why she had fears is the unasked question), than to assure her that they weren't considered suspects in August 2008.

Fast forward to August 5, 2009:

"So you, as the person with investigative experience in the family were not the one who kept tabs on the investigation?"- Linda Drane Burdick

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#501323 Mar 9, 2013
KC 4 CONGRESS wrote:
<quoted text>
"Is there anyone else that YOU think we need to be investigating?"
-- Linda Drane Burdick to Lee Anthony July 2009 State Deposition
Not a question you would expect to hear from someone with the 'goods to convict'.
LDB proved to be the brains behind Jeff's/Lawson's farce.

Her skepticism/disdain practically drips off the pages in the August 5, 2009 State depo.
KC 4 CONGRESS

United States

#501326 Mar 9, 2013
ngrace wrote:
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Stop posting that audio snippet, Days......the entire recording was designed to get Cindy vis-a-vis the A's, to agree to taking a polygraph. What better way to allay her fears (why she had fears is the unasked question), than to assure her that they weren't considered suspects in August 2008.
Fast forward to August 5, 2009:
"So you, as the person with investigative experience in the family were not the one who kept tabs on the investigation?"- Linda Drane Burdick
Don't sit here and lie.

That audio is from a meeting that CINDY requested to discuss bringing in TES to look for Caylee.... ALIVE.

That audio had nothing to do with OCSO wanting the Anthony's to take polygraphs.

The Anthony's were NEVER suspects.
Sgt. Allen reiterated that FACT during a post-verdict press conference.

Jeff Ashton also made it abundantly clear that the Anthony's were not suspects, nor were they ever anything but loving, caring, doting grandparents with a troubled daughter.

The FBI found no link between Caylee's disappearance/death/disposal and ANY Anthony.

The FBI did find foreign fibers, hair and DNA that belongs to someone who isn't an Anthony.
Someone outside the family.

Where you get these fantasy-filled delusions that the Anthony's are complicit in Caylee's homicide or disposal is beyond me.

Sometimes I wonder if you think you actually followed the same case.

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#501327 Mar 9, 2013
Rambler wrote:
"Cuthill, a well-known bankruptcy specialist now based in Maitland, insists he is trying to work closely with prosecutors and that everyone should have the same goal: secure as much money as possible for Mirabilis' creditors — the largest of which, by far, is the U.S. government, which has a $200 million claim for unpaid payroll taxes.
Cuthill is perhaps best known for his work as the court-appointed bankruptcy trustee in the case of Evergreen Security Ltd., an Orlando investment firm whose principals perpetrated the largest consumer-investment fraud in Florida history."
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2010-02-1...
*******
Mirabilis Ventures Inc does not involve mere pennies.
Where's the intersection with Casey?
Couldn't tell you unless it's the same set of attorneys.

Interestingly, Shuker is the attorney for the trustee in the Evergreen Security case......the $200,000,000.00 PONZI scheme operating in Orlando, of which the trustee is in the process of trying to collect funds for the defrauded creditors.

PONZI scheme?

This is starting to sound like 8 degrees of separation, with Casey Anthony at the center.

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#501329 Mar 9, 2013
Rambler wrote:
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According to Jeff Ashton, the trial was A Big Show.
it's a non-issue as nobody admitted to being present to an accidental drowning. it wasn't until AFTER Casey was found NOT guilty of murder that you decided nobody else murdered the child.
How can one be found NOT guilty of something that never occurred?
I never thought Casey harmed her child, after the first docs came out. Prior to that, I was in the same camp as everyone else.

I just never knew how to put the pieces together in such a simplified manner until Baez told us what happened.

Occam's Razor..........the evidence supports it.

But I am more than willing to discuss another scenario if, instead of speculation, an alternative theory can be supported with facts.

Starting with the most obvious.......why would Casey protect some other dude and risk receiving the DP?
KC 4 CONGRESS

United States

#501331 Mar 9, 2013
Rambler wrote:
<quoted text>
According to Jeff Ashton, the trial was A Big Show.
it's a non-issue as nobody admitted to being present to an accidental drowning. it wasn't until AFTER Casey was found NOT guilty of murder that you decided nobody else murdered the child.
How can one be found NOT guilty of something that never occurred?
Good point, actually.

Also, the State and Judge must have been fairly confident that they weren't suborning perjury or impeachment material by eliciting George Anthony's testimony.

If there was even the slightest miniscule chance or slightest miniscule factual evidence that George was involved -- they could not have elicited testimony from George, declaring that he wasn't involved.

The rules of criminal procedure would forbid such a tactic, and I don't recall the defense raising an issue about it.

Where was the defense objection that Ashton improperly elicited perjured testimony from George?

It didn't happen.

George gave truthful answers about his NON-INVOLVEMENT.

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#501333 Mar 9, 2013
KC 4 CONGRESS wrote:
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Don't sit here and lie.
That audio is from a meeting that CINDY requested to discuss bringing in TES to look for Caylee.... ALIVE.
That audio had nothing to do with OCSO wanting the Anthony's to take polygraphs.
The Anthony's were NEVER suspects.
Sgt. Allen reiterated that FACT during a post-verdict press conference.
Jeff Ashton also made it abundantly clear that the Anthony's were not suspects, nor were they ever anything but loving, caring, doting grandparents with a troubled daughter.
The FBI found no link between Caylee's disappearance/death/disposal and ANY Anthony.
The FBI did find foreign fibers, hair and DNA that belongs to someone who isn't an Anthony.
Someone outside the family.
Where you get these fantasy-filled delusions that the Anthony's are complicit in Caylee's homicide or disposal is beyond me.
Sometimes I wonder if you think you actually followed the same case.
I listened to that entire boring luncheon audio..........Cindy clearly stated that they would not take a polygraph because they didn't trust the cops.

The commander assured her after that statement that no one suspected any of them.

Please don't start attacking me, DAYS.....this thread is nice and quiet...let's keep it that way, even if we do have dissimilar viewpoints on certain aspects of the case.

I don't happen to accept your endorsement of George, so let's not go there. Okay?

As to Jeff, you can't split the baby. Jeff also said Casey killed her daughter.
KC 4 CONGRESS

United States

#501334 Mar 9, 2013
ngrace wrote:
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I listened to that entire boring luncheon audio..........Cindy clearly stated that they would not take a polygraph because they didn't trust the cops.
The commander assured her after that statement that no one suspected any of them.
Please don't start attacking me, DAYS.....this thread is nice and quiet...let's keep it that way, even if we do have dissimilar viewpoints on certain aspects of the case.
I don't happen to accept your endorsement of George, so let's not go there. Okay?
As to Jeff, you can't split the baby. Jeff also said Casey killed her daughter.
Jose Baez was supplying video footage of the Aisenbergs,(who were practically railroaded into a murder conviction by cops who refused to accept that Sabrina was abducted), so it's not surprising that the Anthony's began to distrust law enforcement after LE spent weeks and immeasurable resources to go after Casey.

The Anthony's had every right to grow distrustful.

Anyone with half a grasp of what the Aisenbergs and Ramseys were put through - can appreciate why some law enforcement just can't be trusted.

The purpose of the meeting wasn't to allay Cindy's fears so they could lock her into a polygraph -- it was to discuss TES. Period.

Cindy and George Anthony fully cooperated with law enforcement from day one.

The Anthony's, including Casey, told law enforcement to tear the roof off the house or do whatever they had to do.

So fck you, for you to sit here and retro-activate the Anthony's as suspects or persons of interest, to appease your own delusions.

The Anthony's never were - and never will be - suspects in Caylee's murder.
KC 4 CONGRESS

United States

#501335 Mar 9, 2013
Baez told Barbara Walters and the cast of "The View", that Caylee died on a MONDAY AFTERNOON.

I'm assuming Baez meant after Caylee was taken into someone elses care so Casey could keep her movie date with boyfriend Tony.

If by MONDAY AFTERNOON, Baez meant something different than what he told the cast of "The View" -- feel free to post evidence of clarification
KC 4 CONGRESS

United States

#501336 Mar 9, 2013
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think George worked on Monday afternoons.

Re: "The View" and Hal Boedeker's review of Baez's guest appearance.......

Baez said of George
“His recent claim that Casey and someone else may have drugged Caylee — is sad that he would say something like that.

Caylee died on a Monday afternoon.

His theory is that someone drugged her to go out and party.

If you live in Orlando, you know there’s not very many parties on a Monday afternoon.

All they did that evening was go out and rent a video. It makes no sense.”-- Jose Baez
KC 4 CONGRESS

United States

#501337 Mar 9, 2013
Casey didn't drug Caylee to go rent a movie because Caylee was no longer in Casey's care when Casey rented a movie.
Caylee was with someone else when Casey rented the movie. Someone else = Babysitter

Casey didn't report Caylee's death because Casey didn't know that the babysitter killed Caylee.

We know the babysitter isn't ZFG or ZofK.

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