CASEY: Does the State Have the Goods ...

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#470452 Nov 26, 2012
AN what wrote:
Hornsby. Suffocation
"Whoever did this put the duct tape over the child's mouth. I wouldn't be surprised if the child actually died from suffocation, but what's more important I think is when you bring in the chemical analysis of the trunk into play, when you actually read the analysis from the trunk, it says there's higher levels of a certain compound that is present when a person is dying from suffocation -- which is a lack of oxygen. All in all, I think that's why the state is seeking the death penalty is because Caylee Anthony, no matter how she died, whether it was from the duct tape of from being in the trunk, suffered. For a few minutes, she knew she was dying. She knew she was in pain. She suffered tremendously," defense attorney Richard Hornsby said.
http://www.wesh.com/news/19801945/detail.html
That makes my eyes itch. I want to unknow that.
Evidence101

Huntington, IN

#470453 Nov 27, 2012
Diane Ax wrote:
<quoted text> Interesting Zanny changed the passwords?
In Lee's depo he said Jesse knew Casey's passwords, even before Casey gave them to Lee.
"Horace" and "Timer55" were given to Lee, by Jesse, as Casey's passwords.
GASP!!
Evidence101

Huntington, IN

#470454 Nov 27, 2012
Diane Ax wrote:
<quoted text> Like hell is right!
But there WAS a nanny.
Get ready.
Since 2006, according to RG and Cindy.
Evidence101

Huntington, IN

#470455 Nov 27, 2012
chuckycheez_68 wrote:
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Would you shoot me the link?
If memory serves me right, he was arguing penalty phase. I was surprised that he ran with that argument before a verdict.
That argument (to me) is penalty phase material, and sounded eerily sounded similar to the prosecutor in the Oba Chandler Murder case in western Florida involving the mom and daughters in the bay. There I believe one if not both of the daughters watched the others get raped, and killed. I did not look up Oba's case, I just went on memory, so this is unlikely to be 100% accurate.
I think he knew there wasn't going to be an actual penalty phase. If he wanted to get it in, it had to be during the guilt phase.

Jose Baez also argued penalty phase material. Molestation.
Diane Ax

United States

#470456 Nov 27, 2012
tribe mom wrote:
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Yes, the tard just loves to brag and brag and brag. It will be his undoing. To represent a client and sincerely believe she is innocent and get her off is one thing, but to pretend you believe a client is innocent, try to throw suspicion on an innocent party, sully a person's reputation and practically make fun of him for attempting suicide, and THEN brag about the evidence you had that proved your client most certainly did it is another thing.
Jose Baez is a buffoon of the highest order.
How do you know it want George's idea?

Don't you remember him saying he'd do anything for Casey during a pretrial hearing?

That's what a loving father does.

Besides, they were just following the script that was handed to them.

That script backfired. Casey was acquitted despite the Herculean effort made by some to wrongly convict her.
Evidence101

Huntington, IN

#470457 Nov 27, 2012
Diane Ax wrote:
<quoted text> Interesting Zanny changed the passwords?
In Lee's depo he said Jesse knew Casey's passwords, even before Casey gave them to Lee.
"Horace" and "Timer55" were given to Lee, by Jesse, as Casey's passwords.
During Lee's July 2008 jail visit, Lee asked Casey if "the passwords" had anything to do with Caylee's disappearance.

Casey said "YES", it was relevant.

Websleuths Super-Citizen-Investigators™ didn't think very far ahead.
Diane Ax

United States

#470458 Nov 27, 2012
want s/b wasn't
Evidence101

Huntington, IN

#470459 Nov 27, 2012
Diane Ax wrote:
<quoted text> How do you know it want George's idea?
Don't you remember him saying he'd do anything for Casey during a pretrial hearing?
That's what a loving father does.
Besides, they were just following the script that was handed to them.
That script backfired. Casey was acquitted despite the Herculean effort made by some to wrongly convict her.
If the computer search was brought to the State Attorney before - or at trial - George would have easily cleared Casey.

George knows what time Casey left the house, so he knows Casey could not have made it.

If George didn't make it .... and Casey couldn't have made it.....who did?
Someone outside of the family, made it.

All George and Cindy wanted were answers to what happened to Caylee and this was the investigator's gift to them?
Diane Ax

United States

#470460 Nov 27, 2012
Evidence101 wrote:
<quoted text>
If the computer search was brought to the State Attorney before - or at trial - George would have easily cleared Casey.
George knows what time Casey left the house, so he knows Casey could not have made it.
If George didn't make it .... and Casey couldn't have made it.....who did?
Someone outside of the family, made it.
All George and Cindy wanted were answers to what happened to Caylee and this was the investigator's gift to them?
A few words come to mind:

Misguided
15 minutes of fame

OR

Red herring

“Twofer one”

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Since: Mar 11

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#470463 Nov 27, 2012
Diane Ax wrote:
<quoted text> A few words come to mind:
Misguided
15 minutes of fame
OR
Red herring
Yes, Cindy and George were misguided in their attempts to assist Casey by lying to LE.
They seemed to enjoy their 15 minutes of fame, something to focus on while ignoring the fact Caylee was dead at Casey's hands.
All those red herrings Cindy gave to LE in an attempt to prove anybody but the REAL KILLER, her own daughter Casey.

If they ever do contact each other whatever could they discuss?
Does Caylee ever come up?

“Twofer one”

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Since: Mar 11

isn't always a deal

#470465 Nov 27, 2012
Diane Axe wrote:
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Do they all sit around the pool and reminisce?
Yes, if you mean by reminise, lie to each other and themselves.

“Twofer one”

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Since: Mar 11

isn't always a deal

#470467 Nov 27, 2012
Bill O'Reilly needs to sit on it and spin.
watching in Ohio

Columbus, OH

#470471 Nov 27, 2012
Evidence101 wrote:
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If the computer search was brought to the State Attorney before - or at trial - George would have easily cleared Casey.
George knows what time Casey left the house, so he knows Casey could not have made it.
If George didn't make it .... and Casey couldn't have made it.....who did?
Someone outside of the family, made it.
All George and Cindy wanted were answers to what happened to Caylee and this was the investigator's gift to them?
If this is true, then how do you explain that during the search for foolproof suffocation another search was made for hot shot girls clothing, befriending someone on Casey's Myspace page and texting a friend on another Myspace page? The last two requiring a password that belonged to Kilsey? Your verbal vomit does not add up.

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#470473 Nov 27, 2012
Diane Ax wrote:
<quoted text> Casey is responsible for leaving her daughter in the care of a physco.
I agree, and she made the biggest mistake of her life.

“Twofer one”

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Since: Mar 11

isn't always a deal

#470475 Nov 27, 2012
If Casey had been convicted she would've gotten 10 to 25 years IMO.
The death penalty never would've happened.
During penalty phase her strange behaviors would've been usd to try and prove mental problems.
The so-called "abuse" from her parents would've also been brought up.
Evidence101

Huntington, IN

#470476 Nov 27, 2012
chuckycheez_68 wrote:
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No disrespect, but this is thinking outside the box. Unlike many here that I've known for a long time here (and many I like) are unable to separate the emotion from the legal part of it.
While you may agree with the verdict or disagree with it, I look at this case as a wake-up call that potentially there are other mom's that may be similarly situated and this case may (if looked at from every angle) prevent the death of another toddler.
Nothing is going to ever fully prevent death of another toddler. Death happens. But you do make a good point.

For example, Lee testified under oath that when Casey was home, out on bond, she gave him a different account of what happened.

Not the scripted account as played out, that quite frankly is stupid as all fuck.

If what Lee described as Casey's version to him is true, similarly situated moms need to get concealed weapons permits and a certified firearms trainer.

No one should get away with forcibly taking someone's child because they don't think she is being a good enough mother.

Moms need to get proactive and shoot the skanks who think playing God gives them the right to snatch their kid.
That would put a quick stop to it.

Elizabeth Johnson is a similarly situated mom who comes to mind.
T-REX

United States

#470478 Nov 27, 2012
Diane Axe wrote:
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What is with all the what if's and all these silly scenarios?
How many times can you rehash this stuff?
You are starting to sound like the Rambling person.

Unfortunatly you havenat a clue about CHUKY at all.

He is one of the most realistic and honest poster's that has ever been on this thread,his wealth of knowledge about the criminal procedures is mind blowing to say the least.
When he used to post three year's ago, every body including ngrace
held him in very high esteem, I still do and am very thankful he is back posting once again.
Please read his post you just may learn something,for Chucky allways telll.s it like it is without the usual BS that day's,rambler and the others do,
I cant think of anybody on this thread that didnt tell Chucky he should go to law school and become a lawyer. Personally I think he would be a great one.

“Twofer one”

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Since: Mar 11

isn't always a deal

#470480 Nov 27, 2012
Dayz your attempt to explain what happened is almost laughable.

No one took Caylee from Casey, Casey didn't want her and didn't want her to live anymore, so she killed her.

Elisabeth Johnson killed her son so his father couldn't have him, she wanted to hurt the man that didn't want her anymore in the worst way possible.

Casey killed Caylee to hurt Cindy in the worst way possible for all her imagined slights. The Anthonys are the definition of extreme dysfunction.

That is the similarity between both cases.
T-REX

United States

#470481 Nov 27, 2012
chuckycheez_68 wrote:
<quoted text>My point is the would the computer evidence changed the outcome? I realize it makes no difference now,(regarding Casey) but I would like to see something positive come from this case which is as I said, is to possibly prevent another mother (and I should add) ANYONE similarly situated from engaging in similar conduct in the future.
Hypothetical here Chucky::

If Casey had been found guilty and sentenced for 1st degree murder, would this latest thing about the searches be a good enough reason to an appeal and get a new trial.Just wondered because the way I understand the law the double jeopardy thing is only good if your aquitted and not if your found guilty, which means they cant try you again on aquittal but can retry you again if your found guilty.
Sorry havent had my second cup of coffe and my 9 pills of medication yet this morning.
Evidence101

Huntington, IN

#470482 Nov 27, 2012
watching in Ohio wrote:
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If this is true, then how do you explain that during the search for foolproof suffocation another search was made for hot shot girls clothing
Shot girls clothing search was in the morning before Casey left the house.

Misspelled Fool-Proof Suffication was at 2:50 in the afternoon, after Casey left the house, when George & Casey weren't there.

In fact, according to Lee's sworn testimony, the misspelled suffication search was made when Caylee was forcibly taken from Casey -- as she was being held down by the babysitter's sibling.

The misspelled suffication search was probably made when Casey was being told that she wasn't getting Caylee back until Caylee's birthday, but only IF she didn't go to the cops or tell anyone.

Casey was allegedly given a script to follow, a dumb one, at that time.

She followed the dumb script but the psycho(s) she trusted, turned out to not be so trust-worthy.

We know this because Caylee is dead.
We just don't know what day the trusted psycho murdered her for not sticking to the script.

Probably right after they got wind Casey was talking to the FBI.

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