Broward Sheriff's Office, AMR vie for ambulance service in Laud...

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Lauderdale-by-the-Sea - The battle over who will take charge of the town's ambulance service is officially on.
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Toony Fish

AOL

#1 Mar 15, 2008
Why not take AMR's numbers, tell them to double their service to 2 ambulances and two standbys? The cost would be $1.34 million, still about a third the cost of BSO.
Whiskerman

Markham, Canada

#2 Mar 15, 2008
BSO's Chief Leduc evidences how arrogant, ignorant and stubborn BSO management has been in dealing with this issue.
Distance

Pompano Beach, FL

#4 Mar 15, 2008
Most expensive ride for distance covered.. BSO

Emergency care when needed is dire for anyone, but ludicrous costs to cover high wages and pensions is a factor that they serve us we do not them.

It pisses me off I have hambuger on my table and see them eating steak at local resturants... must be nice to mingle with the tourists... hey they might have more in common with them than we know.

Thier vacation seems to becoming to an end!
Fat Al

Pompano Beach, FL

#5 Mar 15, 2008
BSO shouldn't compete. There is a standard that they should not go below. If a private company wants to risk it, and the commission is dumb enough to put lives at risk, go for the low bid. We have all seen what low bid contracts do. Better move out of Lauderdale by the Dead Sea.
Worked for AMR

AOL

#6 Mar 15, 2008
I worked for the company when it was Atlantic ambulance, then Lifefleet, and now it is AMR.That company changes names like I change my underwear. Just kidding , thats gross. Seriously !! I must tell you, you get what you pay for. The ambulance jockeys of this ambulance company are immature, un-professional, and sloppy looking. When I worked there, we had sex in the stations. The pay was crap and the employers treated us like hell. So we got back at them by being total screw-offs. This was going back sometime. I work for a professional Fire deaprtment like BSO now and have been for 14 years and let me tell you, the Fire Departments are tight. I knew when I got hired on a City Fire Department I had to put away my childish ways and be a man. I was looking for a career. One based on professionalism and respect for the citizens I protect. Just like the medical director said. Do you want an underpaid employee with a bad attitude treating you or your loved ones? Or do you want someone who is being paid fairly and cherishes going to work each shift. The latter is the individual who has a high level of professionalism, courtesy, and respect for not only his or herself, but for the citizens of the reponse area they protect. AMR would be a mistake. I would love to tell the citizens some more of the grab assing stuff we used to do at AMR, but you will probably get sick and I could be possibly put in jail. Good luck to the citizens of Lauderdale by the Sea. Im sure when the time comes, you will hear both sides, and make the correct and educated decision regarding the public safety of you and your loved ones.
Make MONEY on Life

United States

#7 Mar 15, 2008
One can only question why there is such a difference in the proposals. Think about this, BSO is a paid PROFESSIONAL Fire/Rescue department. AMR is a FOR PROFIT company. They charge the city less, bill the insurance company and then bill the patient for the rest of the money. If you do not pay the bill, they will put you in collections. Our local fire/rescue departments do not do that because we pay taxes. You will get a higher level of service with more paramedics from BSO. I hope the residents of Lauderdale by the Sea do there homework and find out all the facts. I would not want AMR running rescue on my fammily.
Call Publix for a firemen

Miami, FL

#8 Mar 15, 2008
Please go with AMR. End the greed of the firemen, let them all go work somewhere else.

Lots of other towns and counties will be helped by your smart decisions.
AMR does a better job than the firemen can ever do.
FIremen spend their day shopping at publix, watching tv and sleeping on the job. End all this waste of taxpayers money.
Call Publix for a firemen

Miami, FL

#9 Mar 15, 2008
Worked for AMR wrote:
I worked for the company when it was Atlantic ambulance, then Lifefleet, and now it is AMR.That company changes names like I change my underwear. Just kidding , thats gross. Seriously !! I must tell you, you get what you pay for. The ambulance jockeys of this ambulance company are immature, un-professional, and sloppy looking. When I worked there, we had sex in the stations. The pay was crap and the employers treated us like hell. So we got back at them by being total screw-offs. This was going back sometime. I work for a professional Fire deaprtment like BSO now and have been for 14 years and let me tell you, the Fire Departments are tight. I knew when I got hired on a City Fire Department I had to put away my childish ways and be a man. I was looking for a career. One based on professionalism and respect for the citizens I protect. Just like the medical director said. Do you want an underpaid employee with a bad attitude treating you or your loved ones? Or do you want someone who is being paid fairly and cherishes going to work each shift. The latter is the individual who has a high level of professionalism, courtesy, and respect for not only his or herself, but for the citizens of the reponse area they protect. AMR would be a mistake. I would love to tell the citizens some more of the grab assing stuff we used to do at AMR, but you will probably get sick and I could be possibly put in jail. Good luck to the citizens of Lauderdale by the Sea. Im sure when the time comes, you will hear both sides, and make the correct and educated decision regarding the public safety of you and your loved ones.
Want a firemen or ems call publix.

Firefighters are just another interest group. Firefighters use their heroic trappings to play special interest politics brilliantly. It is a heavily unionized occupation. Nothing's wrong with that, but let's not assume they're always acting in anything but their own best interests.
LBTS resident

West Palm Beach, FL

#10 Mar 15, 2008
BSO also charges patients for their services. It should be free because we pay taxes but it isn't. After they come to help, you will get a huge bill. So what if AMR is a for profit company if they do the job right for a lower price. Do you think Fex Ex does a lousy job? I prefer them to the Post Office because they provide much better service. Used them for years and everything always arrived on time;not the case with the Post Office's express mail system.
If a for-profit firm does a poor job, they are out of business. If a government entity does a lousy job or rips us off finacially this is supposed to be okay? We cannot stop using their services can we? As for happy employees, who would not be thrilled if they were paid twice what they should be and them have unbelievable benefits on top of that?
Cut Spending

Miami, FL

#11 Mar 15, 2008
This is happening all the time all over the state of Florida.
CUT SPENDING NOW!!
OVER 315 FIREMEN MAKE OVER $100,000 PER YEAR IN PALM BEACH COUNTY OUT OF 1,200 EMPLOYEES, THAT IS 23% OF FIREMEN EARN MORE THAN $100,00 PER YEAR PLUS A HUGE BENEFIT PACKAGE AND A HUGE PENSION PACKAGE ($7,000 PER MONTH OR MORE). THATS FAR TOO MUCH FOR TAXPAYERS TO AFFORD!!!
FROM THE PALM BEACH POST ARTICLE
During the last budget year, 464 people in the Palm Beach county's workforce made more than $100,000. About 68 percent of that group worked for fire-rescue.
Fire-rescue workers, like other county employees, receive benefits under the state's retirement system. Benefits are paid based on a person's average total compensation, which is calculated by averaging the five highest years of pay - including overtime.
Sid Dinerstein, chairman of the Palm Beach County Republican Party and critic of the county's budget, said it's a widely talked-about "game that's played in every county" that overtime goes to those who are close to retiring and need an extra boost.
"That's the scam," he said. "It's a rip-off of the taxpayers."
mda

United States

#12 Mar 15, 2008
LISTEN UP BUDDY,
AMR only charges when they transport some one.
The Fire-Rescue Charges no matter what. They charge your taxes, they bill your insurance company and auto insurance company.
The taxpayer gets hit double if not tripple by the fire department.
The firemen make $50,000 + salarys
I know quite a few firemen making $110,000.
Is this why our taxes are so high. The fire department should be VOLUNTEER. Ther're are no fires to put out.
It's mostly medical. I know alot of AMR employess fo along time and they are just as experianced and just as or more experianced as the firemen.
everyone all go to the same schools
and takes the same tests. The only differance is AMR patch and a fire dept. patch.
who="Make MONEY on Life"]One can only question why there is such a difference in the proposals. Think about this, BSO is a paid PROFESSIONAL Fire/Rescue department. AMR is a FOR PROFIT company. They charge the city less, bill the insurance company and then bill the patient for the rest of the money. If you do not pay the bill, they will put you in collections. Our local fire/rescue departments do not do that because we pay taxes. You will get a higher level of service with more paramedics from BSO. I hope the residents of Lauderdale by the Sea do there homework and find out all the facts. I would not want AMR running rescue on my fammily./QUOTE
DUI FIREMEN

Miami, FL

#13 Mar 15, 2008
mda wrote:
LISTEN UP BUDDY,
AMR only charges when they transport some one.
The Fire-Rescue Charges no matter what. They charge your taxes, they bill your insurance company and auto insurance company.
The taxpayer gets hit double if not tripple by the fire department.
The firemen make $50,000 + salarys
I know quite a few firemen making $110,000.
Is this why our taxes are so high. The fire department should be VOLUNTEER. Ther're are no fires to put out.
It's mostly medical. I know alot of AMR employess fo along time and they are just as experianced and just as or more experianced as the firemen.
everyone all go to the same schools
and takes the same tests. The only differance is AMR patch and a fire dept. patch.
who="Make MONEY on Life"]One can only question why there is such a difference in the proposals. Think about this, BSO is a paid PROFESSIONAL Fire/Rescue department. AMR is a FOR PROFIT company. They charge the city less, bill the insurance company and then bill the patient for the rest of the money. If you do not pay the bill, they will put you in collections. Our local fire/rescue departments do not do that because we pay taxes. You will get a higher level of service with more paramedics from BSO. I hope the residents of Lauderdale by the Sea do there homework and find out all the facts. I would not want AMR running rescue on my fammily./QUOTE
The publix firemen charge $500 to $700 for an ambulance ride to the hospital. Doctors save lives, EMS just gets you to the hospital.
No Fan of BSO

Norman Park, GA

#14 Mar 15, 2008
Call Publix for a firemen wrote:
Please go with AMR. End the greed of the firemen, let them all go work somewhere else.
Lots of other towns and counties will be helped by your smart decisions.
AMR does a better job than the firemen can ever do.
FIremen spend their day shopping at publix, watching tv and sleeping on the job. End all this waste of taxpayers money.
While I am no fan of BSO, we are talking about lives and fast response time! Look at the qualifications of each crew for AMR, one of three is a paramedic, the other two are only EMT's. There is a huge differance in education and training. Each crew member at BSO is a State Certified Paramedic, with much more training. I guess if you're heathly and will never need their service you can shoot your mouth off all you want. However if you are an older citizen with heath issues as I'm sure many of the residents of LBTS are, you want a true professional with multiple ambulances available to save your life. Having suffered 2 heart attacks and open heart surgery myself, I can tell you every minute counts. What price do you put on a loved ones life, you cheap bastard!
DUI FIREMEN

Miami, FL

#15 Mar 15, 2008
No Fan of BSO wrote:
<quoted text>
While I am no fan of BSO, we are talking about lives and fast response time! Look at the qualifications of each crew for AMR, one of three is a paramedic, the other two are only EMT's. There is a huge differance in education and training. Each crew member at BSO is a State Certified Paramedic, with much more training. I guess if you're heathly and will never need their service you can shoot your mouth off all you want. However if you are an older citizen with heath issues as I'm sure many of the residents of LBTS are, you want a true professional with multiple ambulances available to save your life. Having suffered 2 heart attacks and open heart surgery myself, I can tell you every minute counts. What price do you put on a loved ones life, you cheap bastard!
Deerfield beach fire department took 15 minutes to repond to a beach call even though they were only 1 block away. The firemen were at the public shopping and not doing their job. A life guard called it in and it took for ever for the ems to show up. Thank goodness everything was okay, but I am sure the fire department logged it in at 1 minute response time. They always lie and cover up everything.

AMR would be right at the beach and would change shifts every 8 hours. Trying staying awake for 24 hours like the fire ems do, they don't they are sleeping when you call them late at night and lie about the response time.
cato

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#16 Mar 15, 2008
No Fan of BSO wrote:
<quoted text>
While I am no fan of BSO, we are talking about lives and fast response time! Look at the qualifications of each crew for AMR, one of three is a paramedic, the other two are only EMT's. There is a huge differance in education and training. Each crew member at BSO is a State Certified Paramedic, with much more training. I guess if you're heathly and will never need their service you can shoot your mouth off all you want. However if you are an older citizen with heath issues as I'm sure many of the residents of LBTS are, you want a true professional with multiple ambulances available to save your life. Having suffered 2 heart attacks and open heart surgery myself, I can tell you every minute counts. What price do you put on a loved ones life, you cheap bastard!
Actually there is a price being put on life all the time. Every business and every government agency makes this determination every day. Almost every policy decision puts a price on life as much as the general public may not realize it or may be outraged by it. It is also a completely separate issue from who is to blame for death.

Look for example at the issue of lifeguards in LBTS. We did not put them in not because we cannot but because we made the call that we will not because we did not want the liability that goes with putting them in. Had a different decision been made people who may have been saved drowned but at the same time the taxpayers of the town would face extra costs both from providing this service as well as possible legal costs.

Also look at EMS in LBTS on average if we doubled or tripled EMS resources we would save another life or lives. But we do not. We made a call that we are fine with current level of service. Why are we fine with it when we have money to spend on it in lieu of spending on dinners, entertainment, bigger houses, bigger cars, etc? We could give all our money to people who claim to save our lives but we would not have money for anything else. So we make a call that there is a certain standard that we want to reach and we want to reach that standard given lowest cost, i.e. enabling competition to take place and ensuring that it is provided in an efficient way.

We can of course make a decision to reach a higher standard but then we would have to figure out what exactly we need and how much more it would cost us and make an informed decision.

Unfortunately it seems that those who advocate higher standard do not justify it, and they only claim that it is needed and they also claim that since it is more expensive then it must mean that it is better. Both these claims would need to be justified by BSO.

In the end there is a trade off between saving lives and cost. Anybody who does not understand this should not be in policy making. It is amazing that a BSO higher up would say "we will not not compete on cost" and not have this not make front page of the paper.
Veek and Dizzy

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#17 Mar 15, 2008
DUI FIREMEN wrote:
<quoted text>
The publix firemen charge $500 to $700 for an ambulance ride to the hospital. Doctors save lives, EMS just gets you to the hospital.
Your lack of medical knowledge and the unfortunate few who you might influence concerns me.I hope that most will see that you are blowing smoke..
FIREMEN R GREEDY

Miami, FL

#18 Mar 15, 2008
All current fireme and ems should be in the unemployement line. Let private services do the work.

End all the greed, end all the pensions,$7,000 per month at age 45, healthy men paid not to work and old men working to pay for the pensions. This is just crazy, all because the firemen are lazy greedy pigs.
whocares

United States

#19 Mar 15, 2008
Let them go to AMR. Ft Lauderdale, Pompano and all the surrounding areas should cancel the mutual aid agreement. People will die.
whocares

United States

#20 Mar 15, 2008
mda wrote:
LISTEN UP BUDDY,
AMR only charges when they transport some one.
The Fire-Rescue Charges no matter what. They charge your taxes, they bill your insurance company and auto insurance company.
The taxpayer gets hit double if not tripple by the fire department.
The firemen make $50,000 + salarys
I know quite a few firemen making $110,000.
Is this why our taxes are so high. The fire department should be VOLUNTEER. Ther're are no fires to put out.
It's mostly medical. I know alot of AMR employess fo along time and they are just as experianced and just as or more experianced as the firemen.
everyone all go to the same schools
and takes the same tests. The only differance is AMR patch and a fire dept. patch.
who="Make MONEY on Life"]One can only question why there is such a difference in the proposals. Think about this, BSO is a paid PROFESSIONAL Fire/Rescue department. AMR is a FOR PROFIT company. They charge the city less, bill the insurance company and then bill the patient for the rest of the money. If you do not pay the bill, they will put you in collections. Our local fire/rescue departments do not do that because we pay taxes. You will get a higher level of service with more paramedics from BSO. I hope the residents of Lauderdale by the Sea do there homework and find out all the facts. I would not want AMR running rescue on my fammily./QUOTE
You have no clue. AMR is known as a joke. These are the guys that could not make it as a firefighter. You are a joke.
Retired

United States

#21 Mar 15, 2008
Cut Spending wrote:
This is happening all the time all over the state of Florida.
CUT SPENDING NOW!!
OVER 315 FIREMEN MAKE OVER $100,000 PER YEAR IN PALM BEACH COUNTY OUT OF 1,200 EMPLOYEES, THAT IS 23% OF FIREMEN EARN MORE THAN $100,00 PER YEAR PLUS A HUGE BENEFIT PACKAGE AND A HUGE PENSION PACKAGE ($7,000 PER MONTH OR MORE). THATS FAR TOO MUCH FOR TAXPAYERS TO AFFORD!!!
FROM THE PALM BEACH POST ARTICLE
During the last budget year, 464 people in the Palm Beach county's workforce made more than $100,000. About 68 percent of that group worked for fire-rescue.
Fire-rescue workers, like other county employees, receive benefits under the state's retirement system. Benefits are paid based on a person's average total compensation, which is calculated by averaging the five highest years of pay - including overtime.
Sid Dinerstein, chairman of the Palm Beach County Republican Party and critic of the county's budget, said it's a widely talked-about "game that's played in every county" that overtime goes to those who are close to retiring and need an extra boost.
"That's the scam," he said. "It's a rip-off of the taxpayers."
I'm retired after 28 years of service and make 3,900 per month with no health insurance. What are you talking about?

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