Where can we get ethanol-free gas?

Question: Thanks to your newspaper I learned that all Orlando filling stations are using 10 percent ethanol in the gas they are selling, and that can decrease gas mileage. Full Story
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l sands

Inglis, FL

#1 Jun 14, 2008
STEVE YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DO YOUR OWN LEG WORK IF YOU WANT TO FIND DEALERS WHO DONT CARRY ETHANOL YET.AND I AM ALSO GETTING POOR MILEAGE FROM ETHANOL I WENT FROM 26MILES PER GALLON DOWN TO 20. THE FEDERAL GOV. SAYS THAT IT WILL STOP THE AMOUNT OF OIL FROM THE MIDDLE EAST INSTEAD IT WILL INCRESS OUR USEAGE. WE NEED THE NEWS PAPERS TO LET THE GOV. KNOW THAT THIS IS NOT THE ANSWER.
Jim Davis

United States

#2 Jun 17, 2008
There is another aspect to Ethanol in fuel which may have some deadly consequences. Numerous small (general aviation) aircraft have been allowed by law to burn automobile gasoline for decades (if the owner applies for a suplimental type certificate). However, the introduction of Ethanol into autogas makes for a dangerous mixture in airplanes. Ethanol damages hoses, gaskets and is corrosive to aluminum. Additionally, it because of a lower boiling point, it creates vapor lock. It also has less octane causing reduced engine power output. While these problems may seem insignificant in an automobile, they can prove fatal in an aircraft. While the FAA has forbidden the usage of autogas which contains Ethanol in aircraft, the aircraft owner must rely on the local gas stations compliance with the requirement to placard their fuel pumps with the legally required statement "This fuel may contain up to 10% Ethanol". I have found that many gas stations have not complied with this requirement, thus unknowingly jeopordizing the safety of our pilots. In a recent conversation with the FAA, a spokesperson indicated their frustration at the lack of public information concerning which fuels in the US contain Ethanol. Not to overstate this, but unless this information is made public, pilots across this country are being placed at great not only to themselves, but people on the ground as well.
I know very little

AOL

#4 Jun 18, 2008
I know very little about this subject but I have found that using ethanol free gas in my car allows me a little over 30 more miles per full tank of gas. Driving habits and destinations are the same. I am not trying to argue with you Mr. Bunyan but it really does make a difference. Thank you
Orange County blues

Kodak, TN

#6 Jun 19, 2008
Gas in Mexico is $2.50 a gallon? Saudi Arabia gas is 45 cents a gallon. Our troops have to pay $3.00 a gallon for gas over there? There is a movement to destroy America and our Society. Americans are being robbed!Why are prescriptions cheaper in Canada? Why does Cuba and Canada have better health care then we do here in America? Folks we are under attack by our own Government!! What has our Government done for America in the last 7 years? How many more good jobs can we afford to lose? Come out of your bubble folks! Thanks God Bush didn't get a chance to put our Social Security money in the stock market! Bush and Cheney are dangerous for America and the American Poeple. How rich is Halibuton getting? Where does Bush and Cheney invest their money? HUM!!
Orange County blues

Eustis, FL

#7 Jun 19, 2008
AN IDIOT USING SOMEONE ELSES USER NAME wrote:
Gas in Mexico is $2.50 a gallon? Saudi Arabia gas is 45 cents a gallon. Our troops have to pay $3.00 a gallon for gas over there? There is a movement to destroy America and our Society. Americans are being robbed!Why are prescriptions cheaper in Canada? Why does Cuba and Canada have better health care then we do here in America? Folks we are under attack by our own Government!! What has our Government done for America in the last 7 years? How many more good jobs can we afford to lose? Come out of your bubble folks! Thanks God Bush didn't get a chance to put our Social Security money in the stock market! Bush and Cheney are dangerous for America and the American Poeple. How rich is Halibuton getting? Where does Bush and Cheney invest their money? HUM!!
STOP using my user name- whacko!
I know very little

AOL

#8 Jun 19, 2008
Paul Bunyan wrote:
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OK. Here's the science. Ethanol has roughly half the BTU content of gasoline. Meaning, if you get 100 miles from a given quantity of gas, you should get 50 miles from that quantity of ethanol. Using that math, gasahol would give you 95% of what gas would. Your 30 mile drop means you normally get SIX HUNDRED MILES from a tank of fuel (30 miles being 5% of 600 miles)??? Any deviation from that, and your math or methodology are flawed. What size gas tank and what is the MPG on your car?
As I said Mr. Bunyon, I know very little to nothing about this subject but I can honestly state that I am receiving 30 miles more on a tank of gas when I use ethanol free gas. I am sorry you are so angry but it is the truth. Anger doesn't make someone right it just makes them seen or heard. I will not bother replying any further because I just wanted to validate to others that are interested that ethanol free gas does make a difference. I didn't respond to argue with you sir. Apparently there are others who know that ethanol free gas has a better performance record. Maybe if you ever get the chance to try some in your vehicle you will learn what others already know. Respectfully and thank you
DONICAT

Orlando, FL

#9 Jun 23, 2008
I thought my vehicle was going nuts, computer couldn't be working. My milage has gone from 19 city miles per gallon to 15. I found this post looking for ethanol free gas, haven't found any.
Everyone NOT in Iowa

Sanford, FL

#11 Jun 23, 2008
Paul Bunyan wrote:
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Don't worry, the tooth fairy will bring you a quarter. She only does that for true believers.
Enjoy the high prices for corn while they last, farmer boy. Once the ethanol scam starts to cost politicians their jobs it will disappear as quickly as it's been forced down our throats.

Once more: ETHANOL = SCAM.

“Take a deep breath...”

Since: May 08

Orlando, FL

#12 Jun 23, 2008
I know very little wrote:
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As I said Mr. Bunyon, I know very little to nothing about this subject but I can honestly state that I am receiving 30 miles more on a tank of gas when I use ethanol free gas. I am sorry you are so angry but it is the truth. Anger doesn't make someone right it just makes them seen or heard. I will not bother replying any further because I just wanted to validate to others that are interested that ethanol free gas does make a difference. I didn't respond to argue with you sir. Apparently there are others who know that ethanol free gas has a better performance record. Maybe if you ever get the chance to try some in your vehicle you will learn what others already know. Respectfully and thank you
Where's the anger in PB's post? He was using math!:-) And from a quick glance it was good math.
Head north

Sanford, FL

#13 Jun 23, 2008
Some stations in Northern Florida near the GA line are still Ethanol-free.

This will end one day with the state law but for now they're 100% gas. Check the label, though.
Sweet Sue

AOL

#14 Jun 24, 2008
My fuel economy has dropped significantly with ethanol-added gasoline. Mileage has dropped from nearly 23 miles per gallon to anywhere from less than 19 miles per gallon and most of my driving is highway! I've also noticed I have to fill the tank on my mower each week when I used to be able to fill every other week. Last week I started to run out halfway throw mowing -- so I got about 25% less fuel economy on my lawn mower with ethanol. This ethanol is just bad all the way around -- I want to find ethanol free gasoline. The higher prices will cost me less if I can get back to my former miles per gallon!
Sweet Sue

AOL

#15 Jun 24, 2008
PS - I watched a story on the news last week of an independently owned Marathon station in the Orlando area. He wasn't selling any gas because his posted prices were higher than the station across the street. I'm looking for ethanol-free gas so will stop when I see a huge difference in price to see if it is in fact ethanol free. I'm from Iowa and love Iowa -- but I'm NOT a fan of ethanol.
fltom

Orlando, FL

#16 Jun 24, 2008
I dont care what anybody says, I get less mileage, we are consuming more gallons and now the cost of food has gone up. Has any body looked at reports on cnn, gas in Iraq, 88cents a gallon and realestate is booming, but ther isnt a mortgage crisis because people pay cash for their homes. Who won the war? and the people that started it have been sitting in Afghanistan watching unfold. We the people are starving while presidential candidates are spending millions on television ads and flying around the country. And they ask me for donations.What a mess, in 8 yrs we have given up civil rights, promoted fear over possible terrorist attacks, more than doubled the price of gas, lost value in our homes,lost value in the American dollar and lost face around the world.But I do believe we will prevail, Ive just never seen such a mess.

“Take a deep breath...”

Since: May 08

Orlando, FL

#18 Jun 24, 2008
Paul Bunyan wrote:
One more time. Gasahol, or E10, is 10 percent ethanol. Ethanol has roughly one-half the BTU content of gasoline. I'll make it easy for you. Say a gallon of gas has 100 BTUs, and a gallon of ethanol has 50 BTUs. Pour out 10 percent of the gas, and replace that with ethanol. Ninety BTUs plus 5 BTUs equals 95 BTUs. It is chemically and thermally IMPOSSIBLE to lose more than 5 percent gas mileage. You will lose around 40 per cent using E85, but that probably isn't even available (yet) in Florida. Flex fuel cars can run on E85, but NEVER put it in a regular vehicle. Your car's computer must be programed to use E85. Your mileage, of course, may vary depending on whether the earth is round or flat where you live (that was an attempt at humor, however bad, in case you missed it).
See, there you go again - using that angry math of yours. Being smarter than these people just proves that you're wrong - and elitist.

When I put E10 in my car the milage dropped so much that it would only run in reverse. Let's see your fancy math disprove that!

;-)
JoHn

Largo, FL

#20 Jun 29, 2008
Paul Bunyan wrote:
One more time. Gasahol, or E10, is 10 percent ethanol. Ethanol has roughly one-half the BTU content of gasoline. I'll make it easy for you. Say a gallon of gas has 100 BTUs, and a gallon of ethanol has 50 BTUs. Pour out 10 percent of the gas, and replace that with ethanol. Ninety BTUs plus 5 BTUs equals 95 BTUs. It is chemically and thermally IMPOSSIBLE to lose more than 5 percent gas mileage. You will lose around 40 per cent using E85, but that probably isn't even available (yet) in Florida. Flex fuel cars can run on E85, but NEVER put it in a regular vehicle. Your car's computer must be programed to use E85. Your mileage, of course, may vary depending on whether the earth is round or flat where you live (that was an attempt at humor, however bad, in case you missed it).
your equation is perfect...its just missing a few variables

1. ethanol burns differantly than gas and our vehicles arent all set up for it.
2. here in florida where its humid as hell, the ethanol pulls the water outta the air and when the water is mixed in it basically doesnt burn might as well be 10% water
3. it costs us as a planet more in diesel fuel to move the extra ethanol than it saves us
4. the ethanol/water thats not burning can effect the gas that is burning, making it burn less effectivly.

all of this put together can equal up to a 20% drop in mpg depending on the vehicle and how full the tank is kept (less air in the tank equals less water in the gas) now that its so expensive more of us are driving on "E"...i work with cars all day everyday and have see drops this big.

the only way ethanol will ever be effective at burning less fossil fuels with if its at 100% and every car is set up to run off of it. but even then there are alternatives that are better than ethanol in almost every way.

it was a good idea but didnt turn out to be as good as it sounded.
JoHn

Largo, FL

#21 Jun 29, 2008
oh and the compression ration of the engine also has alot to with it....higher c/r engines dont take such a huge hit from ethanol, but how many of us drive cars with 11.5:1 c/r's? about 2%

"It also has less octane causing reduced engine power output."-some guy up top

^^that is bull, octane has nothing to do with power output, and if it did ethanol has a higher octane rating...the ratings on the pump take into account the 10% ethanol so the octane doesnt actually change at all.
Ian

Tahlequah, OK

#23 Jul 1, 2008
Orange County blues wrote:
Gas in Mexico is $2.50 a gallon? Saudi Arabia gas is 45 cents a gallon. Our troops have to pay $3.00 a gallon for gas over there? There is a movement to destroy America and our Society. Americans are being robbed!Why are prescriptions cheaper in Canada? Why does Cuba and Canada have better health care then we do here in America? Folks we are under attack by our own Government!! What has our Government done for America in the last 7 years? How many more good jobs can we afford to lose? Come out of your bubble folks! Thanks God Bush didn't get a chance to put our Social Security money in the stock market! Bush and Cheney are dangerous for America and the American Poeple. How rich is Halibuton getting? Where does Bush and Cheney invest their money? HUM!!
Ohh to be sadly misinformed. If Cuba and Canada healthcare is so great why do they come to the USA every time they need surgery? Ohh I remember why, the average wait time to see a specialist in Canada is more then 4 weeks? 4 WEEKS!!!! Yeah, I am so wanting to convert to that healthcare system. not. The average wait time in a emergency room is 4 HOURS!!! HAHA great system they got there huh? Go to frickin Canada please and eat some poutine while you are at it. Do some research and take your head out of your butt before posting next time too.

Open your eyes and stop watching MSNBC/CNN. It's the democrats in concress muking things up. Out of the top 15 Oil and Gas companies in the world guess how many are US companies? ONE!! Chevron at number 14 so all that Bush and Cheney making $$ of Oil and Gas is stupid. Blame the Democrats for not letting us build refineries for over 30 YEARS or drill for oil becasue of some caribou. Now we are seeing the fruits of that by being dependent on other countries for oil. We spend 500 Billion helping Iraq and we don't even get a frickin discount!!!
Crappy mileage

AOL

#24 Jul 1, 2008
I don't care how scientific anyone wants to be on this post, from the FIRST TIME that I filled my tank with 10% crapohol, the previously impressive 35 mpg that I used to get on the highway with my 2005 Honda Accord dropped to 30 MPG, and where I had NEVER gotten below 24 MPG in the city, now I routinely get 19 to 20 MPG at 4-10 feet above sea level in the Florida heat, humidity, and rain.
This is a flat out conspiracy by the oil companies. We're doing everything we can to drop our consumption, so they add crapohol in the gas to neutralize their "losses" in spite of the highest oil company profits in HISTORY! The government is in on this with the oil companies, because they have the power to stop this NOW but they won't. And OBAMA is all IN FAVOR of corn based ethanol in spite of what it's doing to our food prices and gas mileage!

“I think I'll set this down now”

Since: May 08

Lakeland, FL

#25 Jul 1, 2008
JoHn wrote:
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your equation is perfect...its just missing a few variables
1. ethanol burns differantly than gas and our vehicles arent all set up for it.
2. here in florida where its humid as hell, the ethanol pulls the water outta the air and when the water is mixed in it basically doesnt burn might as well be 10% water
3. it costs us as a planet more in diesel fuel to move the extra ethanol than it saves us
4. the ethanol/water thats not burning can effect the gas that is burning, making it burn less effectivly.
all of this put together can equal up to a 20% drop in mpg depending on the vehicle and how full the tank is kept (less air in the tank equals less water in the gas) now that its so expensive more of us are driving on "E"...i work with cars all day everyday and have see drops this big.
the only way ethanol will ever be effective at burning less fossil fuels with if its at 100% and every car is set up to run off of it. but even then there are alternatives that are better than ethanol in almost every way.
it was a good idea but didnt turn out to be as good as it sounded.
And the fact of the matter is it is less efficient than gasoline. Even by Paul's math. I would prefer to pay the additional amount and get 100% and that is the topic of the thread.
myself

Plymouth Meeting, PA

#26 Jul 4, 2008
Paul Bunyun, if you think that "all cars" can adequately handle the oxygenation that ethanol puts into the engine during combustion simply because they have these magical computer controlled oxygen sensors, then my misled calculating number driven nerd... you are WRONG.. Most if not all cars DO NOT adjust fuel/air mix under ALL conditions. Most cars have open loop and closed loop operation... in some conditions as in hard acceleration, going up hill, or whenever the car is at open throttle, the engine will BYPASS the oxygen sensors and run based on pre-described air fuel ratios. THIS will cause a very lean mixture in the cylinder when using E10 and greatly reduce fuel efficiency by way of sputtering and hesitation, etc etc. Put your calculator down and keep SHHH.

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