Caylee's Porch

[Wign]

SF Darkstar wrote:

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Unless there was an appeal to your fathers case, it likely was not published.
Appeals are what make up the "reporters", the recorded archives of cases which have been litigated under some appellate court proceeding.
You could write to the court clerk and get a transcript of the case maybe.
Sorry for your loss.
d*

No appeal and no civil trial

Lawyers worked everything out, came to us with $ Amount insurance was willing to pay.....excepted ....end of lawsuit.

[Wign]

Wichien Maat wrote:

Darkstar! Good to see you! Hope you have been well.
Thank you for explaining what I was pretty sure was true about arson and murder, I was sure I had seen it where people were charged that way but you explained better than I could.
Wign, sorry again about what happened to your dad. You had mentioned some months ago that he was murdered and the killer pleaded insanity and got out in a few years, but had not told the details.
It really is a travesty of justice after that guy burned down a building and killed a bunch of people that he went free so soon. I think if someone does murder and they are insane then the only difference should be WHERE they do the time, not that they should have a chance to get out in 7 years.
I sure hope someone is monitoring that guy very closely.

I don't think he ever served time in prison.Think it was mental hospital and he was 19 at time of crime and walking free by 24 yrs old.

[hiker]

Southern Comfort wrote:

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This actually brings new meaning to the Casey Kool Aid.
But the other poster was dead right. She actually thought she could fool LE with her "shots" of BS. These people investigate crimes every single day of the week. Hundreds of years of investigation are in play here. Its not like its the first time a child comes up missing then later found dead. Humans are creatures of habit. We mimic what we see in life on most occasions.
This case screams to me that Cindy and George loved Casey more than they loved Caylee. And they didn't love Casey all that much. If they did then they would have reigned her in a long tim ago.Not to mention that Casey was a GROWN woman and Caylee was a CHILD.
Total and complete dysfunction personified. You know what though, we all got issues in our family. However, there is no way I would side with the monster that I raised to save face. Cindy and George are trying to save face instead of finding out what the hell happened to their granddaughter.

your right if they had loved casey they would have put a stop to her bad behavior when it started.. the lying and the stealing that started in childhood.. they would have wanted her to grow up to be an upright person.. great post..

[Wichien Maat]

Just Me in TN wrote:

ughhhhhhhh Monday morning... hi all
Wign so sorry to hear about your father..
I have a question for anyone in the know.. Was there ever a report that proved that it was Caylee's body in the car.. ie: was any dna found?? I was going along thinking ok they have her now until someone pointed out to me that there was something or someone dead and decomposing in the car and then ask how I knew it was Caylee... and I couldnt find any reports that stated that Caylee's DNA was found in the decomp material. So I did I overlook that or was it not there? Can DNA actually be found in decomp? I can make a logical arguement for the fact it was Caylee but can a legal arguement be made?? I am not an attorney so unsure of all the legal ins and outs.. Thanks

No SFAIK there was not any DNA found in the stain in the trunk. DNA would be in blood but they didnt find blood.
I believe decomp fluid sometimes but not always has DNA.

So the closest they have for DNA from the trunk is just the hair found with "apparent decomposition" that they have mtDNA showing only it could be from either Caylee or Casey ; unfortunately even in the FBI notes they mention that with just one hair found that way, the "apparent decomposition" could be from "some other random cause".
So (unless there is more evidence we dont know yet) the state will have to just ask the jury to infer that it was Caylee's body in the car, considering the evidence as a whole and nobody else who was with Casey or in her car is known to be dead.

but i have not seen all the new docs yet. Did the entomology report include whether they tried to find human DNA in the maggots?

[Arden_1]

Sweet Lady Chef wrote:

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Man, and I thought we were the only ones.
On another note, I am wondering if you are planning to take your kiddo to see "Where the Wild THings Are"? I have heard it will scare the bejeezus out of anyone under 13 and that the writer/directors response was to "Go to Hell". For that reason alone, I plan to see it in theater.
http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi3225158169/
The trailers are totally cool and remeniscent of the book!
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
My 4 year old has a thing for the movie theatere even though she has never been. I am thinking mabey I should go without her though.

Hey Chef:)
I took mine a few weeks ago to see "Where The Wild Things Are". I didn't find it scary at all. But then again my children are older then yours. I had heard all the rave reviews about it and so we went to see it on opening night. I must say the book was better. The movie was a tad bit strange IMO.

[NE Mom]

Anthony Supporter wrote:

<quoted text>Thank you for the compliment. You seem like a good person also. The Anthonys deserve justice for Caylee's murder and they are not going to get it while Casey is in jail for a murder she did not commit and no one is looking for the real killer. I think that these posters have been misinformed and get all of their information from tv news shows and that is why they come across ignorant and uninformed. If they would read the docs they would see that there is no evidence linking Casey to the crime.

I haven't been on here for a while.....however, I just want you to know, my family has been through a missing person, under odd circumstances. I know the ropes from the 911 call reporting, to everything that follows. It could be quite a sensational story, if someone wanted to profit off it in my family, it would take 10 mins to get approval and an advance on the story. It's got everything from being missing, to missing money, to businesses, to affairs......the thing is WHY would we PROFIT OFF THE DEATH OF A FAMILY MEMBER? If a family loses a child, loved one etc and they want to set up a TRUE non profit, every PENNY should be donated to the cause. I can see a small amount going to administrative expenses, but not what these people are doing. I would LOVE to see the accounting of their "non profit" and where the money is going.......I guarantee you without any second thought MOST of it is NOT going anywhere it is intended!

The death of Caylee unfortunately has been nothing but a bank for the A's. If my child were missing, I would have gladly given any pictures, videos etc of that person to the media FREE. I would NEVER leave my home to fly around the country accepting fees, and going on TV....what if that person were to be found? Look at when they found Caylee's body and the A's were in California.....

I have no problem with those who believe in her innocence, it is ones own life, and it's fine to believe what one wants....but again, having been there, done that....everything these people did from day 1 was WRONG.....they were covering up, they were seeing dollar signs....and it's that simple.

People who believe in Casey's innocence need a very good lesson in science, because like math...it doesn't lie....I think the scientific data released on Friday is very telling.....very, very telling.....searching for how to make chloroform, etc and a bottle and syringe with it near her body....COME ON PEOPLE...put the pieces together, even if it is "circumstantial"

If Casey gets out, she will NOT last long, but she's not getting out....I believe in my heart she WILL be convicted and rightly so!

[hiker]

off topic... since we are talking movies i have saw the fourth kind which the actual footage from the crazy psyc.doc. the look on her face is scary alone.. i found it scary... the person i went with said it will soon be in the five dollar bin at walmart (ultimate insult for this person).. and i saaw the paranormal activity was only scary at the end...

[me4sure]

Lynn wrote:

<quoted text>But you're not a lawyer so how would you know?

Lynn, sweetie, it is called life experience and common sense. Got it now?

[Yoy]

Guys does anyone remember what was wrong with Lee when he was younger. I remember Cindy saying he nearly died and that his levels were only tarting to normalise as of recently but I cannot remember what the problem was.
The reason I ask is because I am trying to fgure out if anyone linked to the case had any reason to use sustanon ampoules. I am convinced it was the content of the syringe found at the crime scene and because it is somewhat oill based the liquid can be sucked into a syringe by placing the ampoule onto a syringe end and then lightly heating with a lighter while pulling back on the plunger.
The ampoule accounts for all of the chem results. http://home.intekom.com/pharm/donmed/sustanon...
I also read that the syringe needle colour indicates that it was a 23 guage needle which would be to fine in my mind to use for any more than simply drawing out the liquid from the ampoule. You couldn't then inject it into a bloodstream because the liquid would be too thick as it would cool quickly and then simply clog the needle.

Let me know please if I have the guage wrong because they are different colour schemes in Australia so I had to rely on info I found on the net for the guage.

Considering that it likely couldn't be used to inject Caylee with I think that the whole bottle and contents could be unrelated except for one thing and that is that it was found inside of a disney world bag and Casey had been to Universal because they found all those pamphlets in her car.

If I can satisfy myself that Lee wasn't using this medication then I think I am going to chalk this up as garbage unrelated to the crime scene.
What do you guys think?

[NE Mom]

Yoy wrote:

Guys does anyone remember what was wrong with Lee when he was younger. I remember Cindy saying he nearly died and that his levels were only tarting to normalise as of recently but I cannot remember what the problem was.
The reason I ask is because I am trying to fgure out if anyone linked to the case had any reason to use sustanon ampoules. I am convinced it was the content of the syringe found at the crime scene and because it is somewhat oill based the liquid can be sucked into a syringe by placing the ampoule onto a syringe end and then lightly heating with a lighter while pulling back on the plunger.
The ampoule accounts for all of the chem results. http://home.intekom.com/pharm/donmed/sustanon...
I also read that the syringe needle colour indicates that it was a 23 guage needle which would be to fine in my mind to use for any more than simply drawing out the liquid from the ampoule. You couldn't then inject it into a bloodstream because the liquid would be too thick as it would cool quickly and then simply clog the needle.
Let me know please if I have the guage wrong because they are different colour schemes in Australia so I had to rely on info I found on the net for the guage.
Considering that it likely couldn't be used to inject Caylee with I think that the whole bottle and contents could be unrelated except for one thing and that is that it was found inside of a disney world bag and Casey had been to Universal because they found all those pamphlets in her car.
If I can satisfy myself that Lee wasn't using this medication then I think I am going to chalk this up as garbage unrelated to the crime scene.
What do you guys think?

If the chloroform wasn't in the car, maybe garbage....but my opinion...what are the chances of her searches on her computer and Tony's, chloroform detected in her trunk AND chloroform found at the scene? I'd say the chances are very slim....I don't think too many people make chloroform.....none of us have use for it..
My opinion is the state has quite a bomb here......
Much too much circumstantial evidence....much, much too much!
I'd love just one fingerprint or one piece of DNA on that bottle or syringe....to SEAL Casey's fate......bye, bye Casey!

[Yoy]

NE Mom wrote:

<quoted text>I haven't been on here for a while.....however, I just want you to know, my family has been through a missing person, under odd circumstances. I know the ropes from the 911 call reporting, to everything that follows. It could be quite a sensational story, if someone wanted to profit off it in my family, it would take 10 mins to get approval and an advance on the story. It's got everything from being missing, to missing money, to businesses, to affairs......the thing is WHY would we PROFIT OFF THE DEATH OF A FAMILY MEMBER? If a family loses a child, loved one etc and they want to set up a TRUE non profit, every PENNY should be donated to the cause. I can see a small amount going to administrative expenses, but not what these people are doing. I would LOVE to see the accounting of their "non profit" and where the money is going.......I guarantee you without any second thought MOST of it is NOT going anywhere it is intended!
The death of Caylee unfortunately has been nothing but a bank for the A's. If my child were missing, I would have gladly given any pictures, videos etc of that person to the media FREE. I would NEVER leave my home to fly around the country accepting fees, and going on TV....what if that person were to be found? Look at when they found Caylee's body and the A's were in California.....
I have no problem with those who believe in her innocence, it is ones own life, and it's fine to believe what one wants....but again, having been there, done that....everything these people did from day 1 was WRONG.....they were covering up, they were seeing dollar signs....and it's that simple.
People who believe in Casey's innocence need a very good lesson in science, because like math...it doesn't lie....I think the scientific data released on Friday is very telling.....very, very telling.....searching for how to make chloroform, etc and a bottle and syringe with it near her body....COME ON PEOPLE...put the pieces together, even if it is "circumstantial"
If Casey gets out, she will NOT last long, but she's not getting out....I believe in my heart she WILL be convicted and rightly so!

Great post NE Mom.
I understand why those who want to believe Casey is innocent find issue with the fact that no DNA links Caylee to the trunk other than the hair but it won't stand up in trial. There is more than enough to infer that Caylee was in that trunk prior to being dumped and the adipocere goes along way to proving that, along with the stain in the trunk that lit up under ALS.

The trunk was cleaned and even doing that could not alleviate the odour of decomposition that was still present when further testing was done on it by Dr Lee. I think she will be found guilty through this evidence combined with Casey's own damning actions after her child was supposedly missing. if there was a better scenario we would have heard it by now.

It saddens me that when the trial comes Casey's family and supporters will likely not get the answers they are so sure exist and are expecting to hear from Casey's own mouth. No way is Casey giving evidence to defend herself and to explain her side of the story imo, she can't.

[Yoy]

NE Mom wrote:

<quoted text>If the chloroform wasn't in the car, maybe garbage....but my opinion...what are the chances of her searches on her computer and Tony's, chloroform detected in her trunk AND chloroform found at the scene? I'd say the chances are very slim....I don't think too many people make chloroform.....none of us have use for it..
My opinion is the state has quite a bomb here......
Much too much circumstantial evidence....much, much too much!
I'd love just one fingerprint or one piece of DNA on that bottle or syringe....to SEAL Casey's fate......bye, bye Casey!

NE Mom the media exaggerated the findings of chloroform in the gatorade bottle/syringe. The amount found was minute and equal to an amount that could be found in any normal cholorinated tap water.

I agree it seemed like a huge bomb shell when I first saw the news headings but after looking into it there was no basis for the sensational headlines that Nancy Grace and other media outlets were touting. I don't really think it was intentional though if you were quickly giving the docs a glance over it would be easy to make that mistake.

[hiker]

Yoy wrote:

Guys does anyone remember what was wrong with Lee when he was younger. I remember Cindy saying he nearly died and that his levels were only tarting to normalise as of recently but I cannot remember what the problem was.
The reason I ask is because I am trying to fgure out if anyone linked to the case had any reason to use sustanon ampoules. I am convinced it was the content of the syringe found at the crime scene and because it is somewhat oill based the liquid can be sucked into a syringe by placing the ampoule onto a syringe end and then lightly heating with a lighter while pulling back on the plunger.
The ampoule accounts for all of the chem results. http://home.intekom.com/pharm/donmed/sustanon...
I also read that the syringe needle colour indicates that it was a 23 guage needle which would be to fine in my mind to use for any more than simply drawing out the liquid from the ampoule. You couldn't then inject it into a bloodstream because the liquid would be too thick as it would cool quickly and then simply clog the needle.
Let me know please if I have the guage wrong because they are different colour schemes in Australia so I had to rely on info I found on the net for the guage.
Considering that it likely couldn't be used to inject Caylee with I think that the whole bottle and contents could be unrelated except for one thing and that is that it was found inside of a disney world bag and Casey had been to Universal because they found all those pamphlets in her car.
If I can satisfy myself that Lee wasn't using this medication then I think I am going to chalk this up as garbage unrelated to the crime scene.
What do you guys think?

to me it looks like a larger bore needle than an 23g.. 23g is about the size of a stick pin very tiny.. used on neonates..this needle in pic looks typical for an intermuscular injection to me for an adult or adolescent..jmo

[hiker]

this just popped into my head.. people who give themselfs injections at home used to be told to put the needle into a plastic bottle with some bleach in it and cap the bottle so the trash collector doesn't get stuck... i wonder if that is what the gatorade bottle was?

[Yoy]

hiker wrote:

<quoted text>to me it looks like a larger bore needle than an 23g.. 23g is about the size of a stick pin very tiny.. used on neonates..this needle in pic looks typical for an intermuscular injection to me for an adult or adolescent..jmo

Thankyou Hiker, I guess I should start looking into what effect this drug
might have if it was administered intravenously to a young child then. My guess is it couldn't be good but I still wonder why all the trouble? You cold inject air into the bloodstream and achieve a fatal result so why would Casey use ampoules like these? Hmmm.

[Yoy]

CONTRA-INDICATIONS
Known or suspected mammary or prostatic carcinoma in the male. This medicine is not intended for use in female patients.

WARNINGS
Middle-aged and elderly males with angina pectoris or other severe circulatory disease should receive androgen treatment only under very careful supervision.

DOSAGE AND DIRECTIONS FOR USE
In general, dosage should be adjusted according to the response of the individual patient.
Usually, one injection of 1 mL per four weeks is adequate.
SUSTANON ‘250’should be administered by deep intramuscular injection.
http://home.intekom.com/pharm/donmed/sustanon...
SIDE-EFFECTS AND SPECIAL PRECAUTIONS
The following adverse reactions have been associated with androgen therapy:
– Priapism and other signs of excessive sexual stimulation.
– In prepubertal boys: precocious sexual development, an increased frequency of erections, phallic enlargement and premature epiphyseal closure.
– Oligospermia and decreased ejaculatory volume.
– Water and salt retention.

Well it looks like one tablet every 4 weeks is the normal dose for an adult male (women are not supposed to use this drug at all) so I guess it wouldn't take much to have a really nasty effect on a young child but it doesn't clarify what the effect would be or what an overdose might look like. It suggests a link but the link is dead so off to find a better source lol.

[Yoy]

hiker wrote:

this just popped into my head.. people who give themselfs injections at home used to be told to put the needle into a plastic bottle with some bleach in it and cap the bottle so the trash collector doesn't get stuck... i wonder if that is what the gatorade bottle was?

I think the gatorade bottle was a substitute sharps bin but the fact that the needle was also wrapped in toilet rolls before being put into the bottle shows concealment as well I think.

[NE Mom]

Yoy wrote:

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NE Mom the media exaggerated the findings of chloroform in the gatorade bottle/syringe. The amount found was minute and equal to an amount that could be found in any normal cholorinated tap water.
I agree it seemed like a huge bomb shell when I first saw the news headings but after looking into it there was no basis for the sensational headlines that Nancy Grace and other media outlets were touting. I don't really think it was intentional though if you were quickly giving the docs a glance over it would be easy to make that mistake.

I did quickly go over them.....however still.....chloroform in her car, a Gatorade bottle AND syringe....what are the odds?

I have never personally heard of chloroform in tap water, I will have to look into that!

[hiker]

Yoy wrote:

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Thankyou Hiker, I guess I should start looking into what effect this drug
might have if it was administered intravenously to a young child then. My guess is it couldn't be good but I still wonder why all the trouble? You cold inject air into the bloodstream and achieve a fatal result so why would Casey use ampoules like these? Hmmm.

after reading what you posted about the chloro and the test results i'm wondering if the gatorade bottle was just trash?...

[hiker]

Yoy wrote:

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I think the gatorade bottle was a substitute sharps bin but the fact that the needle was also wrapped in toilet rolls before being put into the bottle shows concealment as well I think.

hey i competely forgot about the toliet paper roll...lol.. maybe just an extra precaution for the make do sharps container? or someone hiding the fact they are doing injections from a significant other?