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Missing 5-year-old Florida girl likely was abducted, police say

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EyeOfTheNewt

Cape Coral, FL

#96413 Sep 21, 2013
Vic wrote:
Oh, Eye, it seems with our youngest they simply cannt't get a break. Son whole life revolved around his family and keeping family togerther. She moved out on their 10th ann. took off with boyfriend on a vacation Mother's Day week end, stopping by to tell son,kids what all she'd done,boat riding Day efore Father's Day,son gets served divorce papers. She went a got a cheapo lawyer, we were saving our money in order to get the best divorce lawyer around. After all this son refuses to harbo hate in his heart for her or anyone. He knows and has told her many times that she will be the one to answer for what she's done.
Oh boy, this floozie was a real piece a work! She actually left your son and the children on their 10th anniversary? Took off with b/f on a mother's day week-end sexcapade? Served your son with divorce the day before father's day? This cookie schemed all this; those three important dates could NOT have been just pure coincidental! She must have already had that b/f long before she cooked up the divorce and abandonment of the children. B'tch.

It is a good thing that your son has a kind heart, rather than on a rant to kill her, which my son would have been on; in fact, this is the main reason I moved over here to the west side; it was to get him AWAY from Caroline's mother to keep him from killing her, or from her and her drug buddies from killing HIM. It was a total nightmare in my life (and his) of several years, and no other way to remove the evil other than to GET AWAY FROM IT. Aha.. but I DID get the baby away from the b'tch LEGALLY so fast it left her head spinning.

Here's what my sisters' DIL did to her and her son: My sister adored Christie like her own, every day she talked to her, listened to her troubles, took Christie's side in blaming her son Greg for everything that was wrong in her life. They had three little girls. Christie was beautiful, gorgeous; Greg was handsome and a very hard worker. He kept telling my sister; mom, this is not all my fault like Christie has you believing. cont'd....
EyeOfTheNewt

Cape Coral, FL

#96415 Sep 21, 2013
Greg had a BA degree but the best he could ever do was work his way up to manager of a large fast food restaurant, where he had been working 12 to 14 hrs a day, 7 days a week with hardly ever a day off, maybe a few hours here and there when he had no choice but to take care of some other matter; and even sometimes during his few hours of rest/sleep, having to go back to clean up crisis situations that would occur when he wasn't there.

Christie too was a hard worker and Greg made her his assistant manager, so the two of them are running this large fast food restaurant. Only, Christie never worked more than 8 hrs a day and a normal 40 hour work week so that she had time for the children. But they struggled financially. They had a rented house and Christie was a spotless housekeeper and kept the children well dressed and immaculate. My sister bragged about her big time! Christies' big complaint with Greg was that he never helped her? Well, pray tell, WHEN, FOR GOD'S SAKES? But of course, it all made sense to my dumbass sister; 'Greg, why don't you help Christie more' so now Christie has her MIL eating out of her hand, totally on her side and against Greg.

The day comes that Christie calls my sister and convinces her that if they had $8,500 and could consolidate and pay off all their bills and only have one monthly repayment, how much happier they would be as that would be the end of all their problems; which, by this time my sister was afraid Christie was going to divorce Greg and she dearly loved those three little girls. My sister fell for Christies' whining, only she didn't have $8,500. Between the two, they decided that my sister would take out a second mortgage (she offered) on her home and loan the money to Christie & Greg and that's what she did. No note, nothing. Just a promise to pay the monthly payment for the next five years to my sister on time so that it was never late. cont'd...
EyeOfTheNewt

Cape Coral, FL

#96418 Sep 21, 2013
cont'd... Damn it. I had finished this but it disappeared into space. I just hate when that happens...

It was all agreed upon. Christie (who manages the money) will send the payment to my sister on time every month; my sister & her hubby take out the 2nd mortgage and hand the check over to Christie which she deposits. The next day Christie calls into work, saying she is sick. Greg didn't give it a 2nd thought, thinking she was resting, etc., but has to work way late because Christie is not there to help run the place.

Greg walks in the house very late and it is EMPTY! No Christie, no girls, almost everything is GONE! Christie had taken the $8,500 and LEFT GREG. He called my sister in the middle of the night, hysterical. All she could say was OMG. OMG. They rushed down to Gregs'(miles away)trying to comfort him, and even drove around with him for hours trying to find where Christie had moved too. Early in the morning they did.

She had moved into a house near her mother with her daughters' BOYFRIEND that had been hanging out at their house FOR MONTHS, that Greg thought was his 16 yr old daughter's boyfriend! There they sat holding hands on the front porch of a house that had been for rent.

Christie abandoned her job and got more than 2/3rds of Gregs' salary in child support and got the car my sister had just paid off. She even went back for Gregs' tools and whatever else she had left the first time. Neither one of them has ever made the first mortgage payment and my sister has had to pay them all. It nearly ruined her credit as she had to consolidate the two mortgages to one payment at a high interest rate and now has no equity in her home.

Christie bought all new furn with my sisters' money and sold the furn my sister had just (thought) SHE paid off for her, at a yard sale. She traded in Greg's car and got a new one. Greg has to pay on all the cc's she left him stuck with, is broke and lives in one room he rents. My sister gave him an old car she had and king sized bed for the girls when they come twice a month. Christie still shacks up with the 19 year old B/F!
EyeOfTheNewt

Cape Coral, FL

#96420 Sep 21, 2013
Vic wrote:
Anne,
Did you get to therapy on time Fri? Goodness, I worried about it all day. How's your neausea? Take your meds on time. When's your next treatment? I know you and dr were in debate on how many days between treatments. Didn't Brian have some serious health issues while living with you? If so, how's he doing?
I've got some good news. My sweet sister has invited me and granbabes to go with her,mom, and her children on vacation. We've rented a cabin by Lake Cumberland that has its own private fishing pond. We're going during kids fall break and it is the peak time for seeing the trees in all their fall glory. We're going to Cumberland Forrest and see the waterfalls. I'm in process of planning our meals, lovely bread bowls,rich harvest soup, baked cushaw. I am so blessed and so thankful for these blessings.
Yes I did get to therapy on time Vic, only didn't get to take a shower. Sweet of you to worry, tho. It was my own fault for not paying attention to the time. The nausea hits me whenever I try to eat or drink anything. I take the nausea pills but they don't seem to do much, or maybe it would be worse if I didn't take them. Certain foods or drinks now have made me hate the taste of them.

I have two more weeks of treatments, Mon thru Fri. I had to go back to doing the treatments on Mons too, otherwise, the required number of days would not have added up to be able to end on Oct 4th. It is getting harder now. If only I could place a cold pack on my throat I know it would help with the swelling but the Oncologist says don't do this. I googled it and they all say, no ice packs after radiation but no one says why!

Yes, my son Brian has a heart condition. He has (what appears to be) a better cardiologist now and seems to be under better control with new medications. I would not be surprised tho Vic, if he does not live to be an old man. He has put too much stress on his heart and does not make any effort to control it himself. He is not making it so well with Amanda and frequently tells me that he's going to have to come back home. IMO, it's just a matter of time before this relationship blows up.
EyeOfTheNewt

Cape Coral, FL

#96421 Sep 21, 2013
Vic wrote:
Anne,
Did you get to therapy on time Fri? Goodness, I worried about it all day. How's your neausea? Take your meds on time. When's your next treatment? I know you and dr were in debate on how many days between treatments. Didn't Brian have some serious health issues while living with you? If so, how's he doing?
I've got some good news. My sweet sister has invited me and granbabes to go with her,mom, and her children on vacation. We've rented a cabin by Lake Cumberland that has its own private fishing pond. We're going during kids fall break and it is the peak time for seeing the trees in all their fall glory. We're going to Cumberland Forrest and see the waterfalls. I'm in process of planning our meals, lovely bread bowls,rich harvest soup, baked cushaw. I am so blessed and so thankful for these blessings.
I am SO happy for you Vic, that you will get to take this wonderful vacation with your sister and all the children. It will be breathtaking there this time of year!! Would you believe! My husband and I spent a night in a lodge at Lake Cumberland on our way to New Orleans for our Honeymoon! We just loved it there, it was so quiet, peaceful, serene and beautiful. We were there only one night and had a lovely breakfast the next morning. I would have loved to stay longer but we had reservations in New Orleans. I always wished we could go back but we never did.

You sound like an absolutely marvelous cook! Wow... the yummy things you are preparing! All that to take on your vacation. What awesome picnics you all will have. Yes, we all ARE blessed in so many ways, Vic. Awesome ways. God is good.
Vic

AOL

#96422 Sep 21, 2013
Eye,

My heart goes out to your sister and nephew. That's what some people do, they use the love you have for them against you. Mine tried to say things about son,not giving her money etc. but I knew better. SHe's not with the man she left family for. THey had gone to school together, he was the quarterback of football team and she was the over-weight girl that had a crush on him. Well, I guess she couldn't control him so now its a 21 year old momma's boy. Yeah, she waited until tax return check came in and poof she was gone. Son staying in marital home with children and with a darn good child custody lawyer, and her not really wanting to be tied down with kids has made it possible for son to have children and her pay child support. She went back to her maiden name, the day she moved. I'm sure as soon as divorce is finally she'll fade away, cann't be soon enough for me.
Vic

AOL

#96423 Sep 21, 2013
Eye,

It's going to be hard for our guys to find a good woman. My son's in his mid 30's with 2 children. Either the woman's going to be to young or with children of their own, ex-husband,baby-daddys.Oh, well, it's always going to be something and I'm just going to take it as it comes. Thanks so much for being here. I don't talk about it much to my family cause I don't want them worrying about me.
Words cann't express how thankful I am for you and Sami. Just being about to express my heartache has made it start healing. xoxoxoxoxo
EyeOfTheNewt

Cape Coral, FL

#96425 Sep 22, 2013
Vic wrote:
THe brother of murdered business owner made a statement that the "customer" killed was a gold buyer that made routine stops at that store. THere were 2 camera, one was on the front of business next door and it showed perp followed behind gold buyer into store. The second camera was inside, it showed perp shot gold buyer right after buyer got inside. He shot store owner next, store owner's wife had children with her and she pleaded with him for her children. She was shot and perp goes out back door. THe 9 year old then picks up his baby sister and takes her into office, covers her and calls 911. Perp's still on the loose.
This is really a horrible thing, Vic. This family is destroyed, as is that of the customer. I really don't see how this child can ever fully recover from this. How could anyone? I/A with your earlier post, the boy is a hero, but this won't comfort his soul in the many years he will have to struggle with this. I just pray that he someday comes to realize that this was not Gods' fault, that there is an evil one roaring about like a lion, seeking to destroy us all.

THIS is the hard thing for young ones to lean (and adults too), when they have had to suffer a terrible tragedy. I hope he gets the right kind of spiritual guidance that he can hold onto; and hope that your precinct will call in all the resources they can to help find this insane killer and that ultimately he will get the DP. Some of these homeless people are VERY dangerous Vic, there are many mentally ill and criminals out there; they are even dangerous to the other homeless people and will kill them for the clothes off their back.

When are you leaving for your vacation?
EyeOfTheNewt

Cape Coral, FL

#96426 Sep 22, 2013
Vic wrote:
Eye,
It's going to be hard for our guys to find a good woman. My son's in his mid 30's with 2 children. Either the woman's going to be to young or with children of their own, ex-husband,baby-daddys.Oh, well, it's always going to be something and I'm just going to take it as it comes. Thanks so much for being here. I don't talk about it much to my family cause I don't want them worrying about me.
Words cann't express how thankful I am for you and Sami. Just being about to express my heartache has made it start healing. xoxoxoxoxo
It's okay Vic; it doesn't do much good in the long run so far as solving any problems, but it is good to be able to express ourselves in these tormenting situations from which there is no peace for so long. I believe that things will turn around for your son (and you); not that she will ever bring any peace in your life as I don't believe she will; but that you all will be able to move on.

I do think the key though, is her getting our of your lives forever, one way or another. This is sad too as the little boys will forever be grieved over why their mother left them. We thought about putting my son's ex, Carolines' mother, the drug addicted w'hore (he never married her, THANK GOD) out of her misery, but I couldn't see facing God with it; or allowing my son to do such a thing and then HIM having to face God with it.

It was all I could do to keep my son from going completely crazy and killing her, then sweet Caroline would have no parent at all. She would have become a ward of the court and shifted from foster home to foster home, and neither one of us would have ever seen her again. We have to use logic against all reasoning, and this is sometimes hard to do. I thought maybe God might take care of her Himself but He never did; so my biggest concern was to keep my son from killing her or her drug buds killing him. It is a day by day/night by night plea to God for direction and protection in your life, AND to keep from losing your sanity. You just pray and hang in there, Vic. God is hearing you. He will send guidance.
EyeOfTheNewt

Cape Coral, FL

#96427 Sep 22, 2013
I have been wondering for weeks now, whatever happened to Denada? She brought a lot of insightful info to the table. Very likable too.

Denada; WHERE ARE YOU?

Also haven't seen JRW for a while now? Another lovely person who doesn't mind speaking up.

Are you okay, Denada? And you, JRW? Let us hear from you!
Sami

Jacksonville, AR

#96428 Sep 22, 2013
GM Vic, Annie & All!

I saw a preview last ngt. where NG is gonna have Haleigh's case on again. I believe it said this coming Fri. The title was "where is Haleigh C." or "what happened to Haleigh C." Sorry, I can't remember exactly cuz I haven't watched NG in a long time and was watching the mystery show & her preview popped on & I was surprised and happy at the same time to see this.
Sami

Jacksonville, AR

#96429 Sep 22, 2013
Oh goodness I don't know where to start. Vic, that is so very sad and awful about the murders at the pawn shop. So horrific for those poor children. I hope this monster who did this to these innocent ppl gets the DP if they have it there. To be able to murder three ppl in cold blood is evil enough & then to do this in front of two children is even more evil. Some ppl have no soul.

I'm so sorry about both of your ex-dil's & your sis, Annie. They sound like very cold, selfish, uncaring women. Sadly they're the ones who care more about themselves and next man then they do about their own innocent children. IMO it's a great thing that they are out of your GC & Son's lives cuz these are the ones you see in the news where their children pay the price for their selfish ways. Vic & Annie, as you see it doesn't matter to these kinds of ppl how good you are to them. They have no feelings. They're not loyal to anyone, not you, not their husbands and not their own children. One thing for sure is these POC's will grow old one day and they will want family and they won't have them, not even their children. They will die old and miserable. I do believe in good ole Karma.
Vic

Shelbyville, KY

#96430 Sep 22, 2013
Thanks Eye,
We're be there from Oct 6th-11th. It only an hour and half away, so we'll have 6 full days. I can't wait. It will be a salve to our souls.
I posted with Denada for awhile and could tell that she just wanted to forget the evil bunch that poor Haleigh was surrounded by. She had invested a lot of time in Haleigh's case and others all having the same ending, babes being forgotten, killers going free. While I'm glad RC<MC and Tommy are behind bars, it didn't give Haleigh justice. No one will ever stand in a courtroom to answer for her death. SO SAD
Vic

Shelbyville, KY

#96431 Sep 22, 2013
Sami,

I was wondering if she'd ever cover Haleigh. I watched the one she did on Haley Dunn and it was a good show. I didn't think she'd do one on Haleigh due to her infatuation with RC. I hope she doesn't go on about his tearfull 911 call. PUCK
Hope she sheds some light on his case against PDM. RC did a depo Jan.this year and admitted to leaving children alone in car while he worked. I think this is the only thing he's ever admitted.
EyeOfTheNewt

Cape Coral, FL

#96432 Sep 22, 2013
Damn it. I am SO disgusted. Sami, I just tried to leave you an answer to your question about the deadbeat parents' of adopted Erica, making illegal claims to certain aspects of the house they are illegally trying to sell, and it would NOT go thru!

I'll try it again later, but for now I need to get a few thing done around here; like clean up the kitchen and wash the dishes that I have let go for three days. Yikes! Have had the dishes sitting in rinse water but bugs will start to take over if I don't get them done soon. I just hate it when this happens.
EyeOfTheNewt

Cape Coral, FL

#96433 Sep 22, 2013
P.S. I just wanted to say, while it's hot on my mind; that I have despised Nancy Grace ever since she did the shows on missing Haleigh. It was just HORRIBLE the way she ignored the evidence of all of Rons' & Saint Skanks' lies and scheming to blame it all on Misty, yet they smothered Misty with all this glowing affection (while Nancy foamed at the mouth in hatred of Misty), when it was clear that Misty was NOT the only liar in the bunch; in fact, was the LEAST of the lairs.

I believe that Nancy DisGrace knew this the whole time. When did she EVER not pull up the past record of anyone who appeared on her show as a potential witness or as a participant? Not one word from Nancy exposing RC's HUGE LONG criminal past record, not even his women beating issues.

When did she EVER NOT present all the evidence, such as the female voices that could be heard in the background when the 3:27 a.m. 911 call was enhanced; or why did she NEVER expose the truth that the initial call was made to the PCSO from the landline phone in Ron's MH at 2:13 a.m. and that Misty's call at 3:27 was NOT the initital call reporting Haleigh missing? Oh no. Nancy sat there sucking up to Sheriff Hardy and RC, without the slightest thought to THEIR participation in covering up this baby's death and disposal.

The fact of the matter is: That by Nancy Grace not exposing the truth of Haleigh's disappearance, with FULL KNOWLEDGE of the PCSO who SENT Officer Bridgett Dixon to investigate Haleigh being missing at 2:13 a.m., she HELPED to perpetuate the cover up of this childs' death. Oh yeah, I despise Nancy Grace and I will NOT be watching more of her willful manipulation and deceit. SHE alone is part of the reason that no one was ever charged or prosecuted in Haleigh's behalf.
Vic

Shelbyville, KY

#96434 Sep 22, 2013
I'll probably watch and she'll say something stupid like RC was at werk. Then I'll fuss at the tv and never watch her again. She doesn't even let her panel of professions get a word in cause she's sooooooo in love with her own voice, and heaven forbid send anybody to do research. SHe was so obsessed with Tot Mom and every poot the Anthony's set off she just skimmed over Haleigh case. SO, I'm with ya on the hateration for Ms> Disgrace.
EYe,
Have you tried almond milk or aloe vera juice?
Sami

Jacksonville, AR

#96435 Sep 22, 2013
Vic, I think it's wonderful you're going on a vaca with your family. This will help keep your mind off of things and give you a peace of mind not to mention all the fun your family & GC will have.

IA with both of you on NG. Nope, she didn't even mention RC criminal record. She didn't even question him about having a TA live-in GF & she being the caregiver of his young children. If she can trash Misty, then why didn't she go after RC for allowing her to sit his own children> Yes, you can hear Misty in the background saying she doesn't want to talk to LE & Ron even hung up on LE. WTF does this when a child is missing? Nope NG didn't mention any of the calls. Heck, the quick marriage right after Haleigh's disappearance didn't even phase her...WTH?
EyeOfTheNewt

Cape Coral, FL

#96436 Sep 22, 2013
Sami, I will try again to answer your questions re the deadbeat adoptive parents of murdered Alicia trying to claim real estate that does not (or may not) belong to them.

I understand the property is owned by the FIL; legally it is owned by whomever the Deed of Record is titled too and recorded in the County Clerks office with Transfer Taxes paid. If the FIL has a joint title w/a wife, former wife, or some other entity he does not legally own the property outright and all parties to the ownership must execute any contract for Sale and Purchase,(in some states a Bill of Sale) and convey Title for Deed to a new owner. A title search would reveal who actually owns the property.

The FIL can make any written agreement he wants too concerning improvements to the real estate but if it is not executed by all parties whose name appears on the Title of Record, it is not binding; further, if only one of the spouses executed anything in writing with the FIL but both spouses did not duly execute the agreement, it is not binding. A verbal agreement is normally not binding, as there is a hard to beat law in most states that specifies: "you knew or should have known."

Land Contracts (that do not transfer ownership) can be upheld in a Civil Court, but to my knowledge only if they have been recorded, most of them aren't recorded due to a seller trying to skirt around his mortgage company learning that he is attempting to sell the property under different terms than are stated in his Mortgage Deed with the lender.(A Deed of Title and a Mortgage Deed are two separate legally binding instruments). cont'd....
EyeOfTheNewt

Cape Coral, FL

#96437 Sep 22, 2013
Cont'd... I will tell you a little more about Land Contracts later....(They can be a VERY sweet deal for both buyer & seller)!

These whiners CANNOT sell the real estate or transfer title if they do not have a properly executed (by all parties to Deed of Ownership), and recorded Deed of Record. Any realtor accepting such a listing contract could have their license suspended and be heavily fined by their Board of Realtors, MLS, The National Assn of Realtors and their State & local Boards of Realtors. It does them no good to offer the property as a FISBO even if they should get an offer for purchase as no atty or title co would touch it without clear title.

Here are some exceptions as to what they might be legally able to do: They can yank out the carpeting and sell it IFF they do no damage to the property; that is, IF the carpeting was NOT attached to the floor or baseboard and is lying lose. It is then considered to be a rug. They can sell the A/C unit IFF it is freestanding, such as sitting in a window or wall and was NOT in any way attached to the property (IFF the hole was already there); the same as they can remove and sell any other appliance that is not attached and they purchased, however they must leave the window/wall in a like condition as to when they moved into the residence.

They CANNOT remove and sell an air handler or condenser. These are permanently attached to the property. They CANNOT remove cabinets that are screwed or otherwise mounted onto walls; nor can they remove any plumbing fixtures (the well? absolutely not!) or electrical such as ceiling fans, lighting fixtures, not even mirrors that are attached unless they are able to leave the structure in the exact same condition they found it in and by permission of the owner(s).

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