Please don't visit SeaWorld, Bob Barker asks in new TV spot

Jun 7, 2011 | Posted by: UAAF | Full story: blogs.orlandosentinel.com

Bob Barker, former host of "The Price Is Right," is imploring people to stay away from SeaWorld.

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What a great guy he is.
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And if veganism is so "healthy" then why has he had strokes and a heart attack?

And if vegans are "enlightened beings" why did Barker get sued for sexual harassment and wrongful termination? One employee stated he created a toxic work environment as well where blacks were routinely discriminated against.

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And if veganism is so "healthy" then why has he had strokes and a heart attack?
And if vegans are "enlightened beings" why did Barker get sued for sexual harassment and wrongful termination? One employee stated he created a toxic work environment as well where blacks were routinely discriminated against.
Vegans get sick, and die, just like anyone else. There are no 100% guarantees of anything. What veganism does is lower ones chances of contracting certain cancers, aids in keeping down blood pressure, cholesterol, and other diet related illnesses. Healthy living, exercise, diet, all play a part in quality of life.

Vegans can be, and often are, jerks just like any other person. Doesn't mean we are ALL that way. Most of the vegans I know would NEVER condone sexism, racism, homophobia, or any other acts of discrimination. Doesn't mean that there aren't some vegans out there who do.

As far as Sea World goes, I don't patronize establishments that hold animals in captivity.
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Vegans are typically self-righteous prigs, in my experience. PETA is full of truly obnoxious jerks who want to force their weird beliefs on everyone else. If you want to attribute human characteristics to a whale, go ahead. But I will continue to enjoy Sea World, zoos, fur coats, big bloody steaks, and all the other joys of using animals responsibly as we're meant to use them. Y'all can chew on your nuts, flakes and sprouts, and in the end you're gonna die anyway.
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metta wrote:
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Vegans get sick, and die, just like anyone else. There are no 100% guarantees of anything. What veganism does is lower ones chances of contracting certain cancers, aids in keeping down blood pressure, cholesterol, and other diet related illnesses. Healthy living, exercise, diet, all play a part in quality of life.
Vegans can be, and often are, jerks just like any other person. Doesn't mean we are ALL that way. Most of the vegans I know would NEVER condone sexism, racism, homophobia, or any other acts of discrimination. Doesn't mean that there aren't some vegans out there who do.
As far as Sea World goes, I don't patronize establishments that hold animals in captivity.
Metta, yes, I realized that. My comment was aimed at someone who tends to support violent and bigoted attitudes here.

Most people I know, regardless of diet, beliefs, or lifestyle, aren't bigoted jerks. Unfortunately, there is a loud and vocal minority of bigots and others who may have violent tendencies in the world. I just believe if you don't speak out against what is wrong, you silently support it.

Sea World is nothing more than an amusement park to me. Never saw the fascination with it.

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Metta, yes, I realized that. My comment was aimed at someone who tends to support violent and bigoted attitudes here.
Most people I know, regardless of diet, beliefs, or lifestyle, aren't bigoted jerks. Unfortunately, there is a loud and vocal minority of bigots and others who may have violent tendencies in the world. I just believe if you don't speak out against what is wrong, you silently support it.
Sea World is nothing more than an amusement park to me. Never saw the fascination with it.
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Vegans are typically self-righteous prigs, in my experience. PETA is full of truly obnoxious jerks who want to force their weird beliefs on everyone else. If you want to attribute human characteristics to a whale, go ahead. But I will continue to enjoy Sea World, zoos, fur coats, big bloody steaks, and all the other joys of using animals responsibly as we're meant to use them. Y'all can chew on your nuts, flakes and sprouts, and in the end you're gonna die anyway.
In my experience, vegans have varied personalities, same as the rest of the population.

I personally don't attribute human characteristics to a whale, or any other animal. Animals have their own value, and don't need to be like humans for me to believe they deserve my respect.IMO, a part of that respect is to not pay money to help keep intelligent beings in small tanks their entire lives, just so that I can be "entertained."

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Has it even been established that these animals are unhappy?
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Has it even been established that these animals are unhappy?
Of course not. How would one determine the happiness of a whale? They reproduce, they learn, they play, they entertain and they live significantly longer than their counterparts in the wild...all of which would indicate whatever form of "happiness" they experience. In addition, a significant number of them were born in captivity and would starve or be killed by other whales if they were released. I'm sorry, but I don't consider an old pervert whose only claim to fame was a game show to be an authority on anything. I certainly respect others' rights to not attend animal shows, zoos, to be vegan or vegetarian or whatever, but I find that those people are often not respectful of other's rights to eat a big bloody steak, wear leather and fur, and go to zoos and Sea World. Why can't people just mind their own dang business?????
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I'm neither here nor there regarding SeaWorld. I was there once in my entire life. Just didn't entertain me well watching trained orcas, preferred it when I saw them live in the wild on the west coast. Breathtaking.

Still, I there is a place and purpose for venues such as this and zoos. Particularly zoos. At least, zoos bring knowledge of species other than those in our own backyards to us. Most reputable places don't abuse the animals. Zoos often are very interested and active in animal protection and conservation.

Rather than thinking the animals are *possibly* unhappy, can you not think of them more as ambassadors with a purpose for humans?
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Animals are very similar to humans in that if their basic needs are met they are happy. Period.
Shamu is not sitting in his tank pining away for the open seas. Shamu is 'happy' because he gets as much food as he needs, has the pleasure of female company, and is free from threat. To anthropomorphize an animal is just plain ignorant.

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Orcas' are intelligent creatures who, in the wild, form complex bonds comparable only to elephants, and the higher primates.(humans) They travel up to 100 miles, forage, and socialize on a daily basis. Among the resident whales, as many as 4 to 5 generations can travel together in family pods. I know of no tank that can compare to that kind of social structure.

Some females Orcas can live to 80, with average lifespans of 50, in the wild. Life expectancy for captive Orcas' is an average of 20 years. Although, there are exceptions. Dorsal fin collapse among captive males is frequently observed, in the 60% to 90% range. Apparently, dorsal fin collapse is very rare in the wild, and is often a sign of injury to the fin.

My understanding is, that even among marine experts, there is concern over keeping such intelligent, and highly social beings in captivity.

Locking human beings in a small cell, separating them from their families, and friends is one of the ways we punish people for their crimes. What crimes have these intelligent, social beings committed that they deserve this fate?

I have no control over another person, and what they do. But, I will not give money to these types of attractions. I much prefer to view an animal in their natural habitat.
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Orcas' are intelligent creatures who, in the wild, form complex bonds comparable only to elephants, and the higher primates.(humans) They travel up to 100 miles, forage, and socialize on a daily basis. Among the resident whales, as many as 4 to 5 generations can travel together in family pods. I know of no tank that can compare to that kind of social structure.
Some females Orcas can live to 80, with average lifespans of 50, in the wild. Life expectancy for captive Orcas' is an average of 20 years. Although, there are exceptions. Dorsal fin collapse among captive males is frequently observed, in the 60% to 90% range. Apparently, dorsal fin collapse is very rare in the wild, and is often a sign of injury to the fin.
My understanding is, that even among marine experts, there is concern over keeping such intelligent, and highly social beings in captivity.
Locking human beings in a small cell, separating them from their families, and friends is one of the ways we punish people for their crimes. What crimes have these intelligent, social beings committed that they deserve this fate?
I have no control over another person, and what they do. But, I will not give money to these types of attractions. I much prefer to view an animal in their natural habitat.
And two parakeets in a cage form similar bonds, as do housecats, and dogs. The same can be said for any number of domesticated pets. At this time, there is no scientific way to measure animal IQ on the human scale. Their apparent cognitive skills, such as jumping though a hoop, or fetching the 'toy' is a result of reward based training and not through innate cognitive skills. As for traveling 100's of miles- well, salmon do that to spawn, birds return to nesting sites from thousands of miles distant, even bees exhibit similar behaviors. But I'll play it from the other side for a moment: Let's assume for a moment that whales are intelligent. How do you know tha ol' Shamu isn't floating in his tank laughing his ass off at all the other whales out there who have to forage for themselves, fend off enemies, and worry constantly about that Japanese whaling boat bearing down on him?
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And two parakeets in a cage form similar bonds, as do housecats, and dogs. The same can be said for any number of domesticated pets. At this time, there is no scientific way to measure animal IQ on the human scale. Their apparent cognitive skills, such as jumping though a hoop, or fetching the 'toy' is a result of reward based training and not through innate cognitive skills. As for traveling 100's of miles- well, salmon do that to spawn, birds return to nesting sites from thousands of miles distant, even bees exhibit similar behaviors. But I'll play it from the other side for a moment: Let's assume for a moment that whales are intelligent. How do you know tha ol' Shamu isn't floating in his tank laughing his ass off at all the other whales out there who have to forage for themselves, fend off enemies, and worry constantly about that Japanese whaling boat bearing down on him?
Both you and Metta present good arguments. SeaWorld's entertainment just once in my life was enough for me. It just didn't interest me, it's not a condemnation of the venue.

However, SeaWorld *does* provide funds, education, and effort towards sea life conservation. I *do* support that.

I sort of look at it this way: perhaps the orca does not live as long in captivity. But if that single orca can generate *further* interest and funds for education and conservation, I see it as a greater good. SeaWorld does not abuse its animals as near as I can tell.
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Agreed, Seaworld does a lot to raise awareness and works at animal preservation and rehabilitation. Didn't they do something just recently to help some injured manatees?
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Sea World does an amazing amount of animal rehab and assistance with ill or injured animals. Many animals are back out in the wild and healthy because of Sea World's great care. Their shows also increase interest from the public in the creatures they showcase. Heck, one of my field staff once picked up a common duck on the side of the road that was hit by a car. She tried multiple vets to get treatment or at least euthanasia for it, and no one would even let her bring it in. She called Sea World and they took the duck, tried to treat it, and eventually euthanized it when they found that its injuries were too severe for treatment.
IMO, that whale that killed its trainer and has been associated with the deaths of 2 other humans should have been euthanized. It can't survive in the wild, and it is much too dangerous to keep. If I have ANY gripe with Sea World it is that they keep this killer and expose trainers to danger. Human beings really ARE more important than animals.
I love Sea World as a day of fun, just as I love Animal Kingdom. I also love a big steak, a nice pork chop, or a fried chicken leg!! Animals are here for us to use as food, a source of clothing, and yes, entertainment. Some are also members of our families, like the two extraordinarily spoiled pooches who live at my house!
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Vegans get sick, and die, just like anyone else. There are no 100% guarantees of anything.
Judging by the amount of vegans with mental issues here, theres obviously serious health problems associated with a vegan diet.

'tis true
Meat eaters are unhealthy

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<quoted text>Judging by the amount of meat eaters with mental issues here, theres obviously serious health problems associated with a meat diet.
'tis true
Agreed.
Meat eaters are unhealthy

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Sea World does an amazing amount of animal rehab and assistance with ill or injured animals. Many animals are back out in the wild and healthy because of Sea World's great care. Their shows also increase interest from the public in the creatures they showcase. Heck, one of my field staff once picked up a common duck on the side of the road that was hit by a car. She tried multiple vets to get treatment or at least euthanasia for it, and no one would even let her bring it in. She called Sea World and they took the duck, tried to treat it, and eventually euthanized it when they found that its injuries were too severe for treatment.
IMO, that whale that killed its trainer and has been associated with the deaths of 2 other humans should have been euthanized. It can't survive in the wild, and it is much too dangerous to keep. If I have ANY gripe with Sea World it is that they keep this killer and expose trainers to danger. Human beings really ARE more important than animals.
I love Sea World as a day of fun, just as I love Animal Kingdom. I also love a big steak, a nice pork chop, or a fried chicken leg!! Animals are here for us to use as food, a source of clothing, and yes, entertainment. Some are also members of our families, like the two extraordinarily spoiled pooches who live at my house!
How much has Sea World payed you to say all this rubbish?

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<quoted text> Agreed.
Judging by the number of ARA psycho freak terrorists, there are very serious psychological issues with going vegan/vegetarian.

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