Shoot Straight: Man killed himself on second trip to Shoot Stra...

Jason Kevin McCarthy , 26, was at Shoot Straight on U.S. Highway 17-92 about 11 a.m. Monday and asked about renting a gun, Casselberry police Officer Joseph Nas said in a report that has just been released. Full Story
Guns for everyone

Jacksonville, FL

#104 Apr 29, 2009
Death of Reason wrote:
Do we now expect rental car agencies to stop renting cars because some loon might use it to commit suicide?
Man, another NRA nut quoting their handbook. Ban cars, ban buildings, ban water. Blah, blah, blah.

You guys need to tell the NRA how weak this sounds.
Guns for everyone

Jacksonville, FL

#105 Apr 29, 2009
change agent wrote:
<quoted text>
criminals. they would know law abiding people are unarmed and unable to protect themselves if carrying was illegal. just makes it easier pickins.
Where'd those criminals get their guns? Oh, that's right "law abiding citizens". Congrats, you've created the problem.

Again, you guys are showing you've drank the NRA's kool aide. What happened at S.S. and this discussion isn't about CWP. It's about gun rentals and how stupid it is.

Don't let fear run your life.
Guns for everyone

Jacksonville, FL

#106 Apr 29, 2009
change agent wrote:
<quoted text>
2) of course neighborhoods notorious with drug and gang crime have the higher incidence. typically, if you don't live in one of those neigborhoods, don't get incolced with gnags, drugs or violent criminals, you are at a small risk
I accept your apology.

You are forgiven.

“Proud Southerner”

Level 1

Since: Feb 09

Solsberry, IN

#107 Apr 29, 2009
Guns for everyone wrote:
<quoted text>If your business allows people to come in and, in the blink of an eye, kill themselves and others then your business model needs to be changed - duh.
Did anyone mention banning guns? You guys are drinking the kool-aide of the NRA. Fear and hate mongering.
I own more than a few guns, but that doesn't mean that I'm some fool that believes that everyone should be allowed to own or shoot one. They're dangerous.
If you, as an individual, wouldn't lend a stranger your gun then turn your back on them, why would/should S.S.?
Seriously? Would any of you hand your gun to some guy who walked up to you in the range and asked to try it and then turn your back to him? That's what S.S. did.
What if this coward had owned his gun, should SS then close down their range?? And yes, there have been plenty of posters calling for the banning of firearms. There is no fear and hate mongering as you suggest, just the realization that if guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have them. Do you honestly believe that criminals will voluntarily turn their guns in?? And yes, if I was at the range and a fellow shooter asked to try my gun, I would probably let them. SS did not turn their back on him, they don't babysit everyone on the range as you are supposed to be an adult. SS isn't a daycare center. This coward was going to take himself out one way or another, but like most he had to have an audience. While I feel badly for his family, I don't feel bad for him. Seriously, good riddance.
Guns for everyone

Jacksonville, FL

#108 Apr 29, 2009
teeje63 wrote:
<quoted text>
What if this coward had owned his gun, should SS then close down their range?? And yes, there have been plenty of posters calling for the banning of firearms. There is no fear and hate mongering as you suggest, just the realization that if guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have them. Do you honestly believe that criminals will voluntarily turn their guns in?? And yes, if I was at the range and a fellow shooter asked to try my gun, I would probably let them. SS did not turn their back on him, they don't babysit everyone on the range as you are supposed to be an adult. SS isn't a daycare center. This coward was going to take himself out one way or another, but like most he had to have an audience. While I feel badly for his family, I don't feel bad for him. Seriously, good riddance.
Yes, if they hadn't rented him a gun they would have mitigated their responsibility.

LOL, there's folks here calling for the banning of cars. I'm not running around like chicken little though. You NRA nuts are afraid of something that really no one is talking about here. You have no choice, you really believe what the NRA tells you. No one is going to take away your gun; feel better now?

Why do you keep asking the same stupid question? What do you (and the NRA) expect the answer to be? "yes, I believe everyone will turn in their guns, bad guys included." Obviously it's a stupid question, there's your stupid answer.

And, if you'd be willing to give your gun to someone then turn your back to them, that makes you stupid and irresponsible. If some guy walked up to you, some guy you'd never met, and asked and you said yes, then turned your back - you're stupid. Darwin has a theory about folks like you.

How safe do you feel knowing that S.S. was letting anyone in, renting them a gun if they signed a piece of paper? Go ahead, say that you feel totally safe. Lie to me. Or, admit that you're really stupid and it doesn't bother you a bit that you could have been a victim.

That's the bottom line, S.S.(and many other ranges) rented guns to everyone and anyone and the fact that this hasn't happened more often is nothing but luck.

I don't believe you've ever done what I'm describing. I'll tell ya what, next time you're in a bad neighborhood go ahead and offer some banger a chance to hold your gun. Or, go to the local nuthouse and do it. Give them your loaded gun, turn your back. You won't know the banger or nutjob from Adam, but as you said, renting or handing a gun to a stranger is fine, right?

That's what S.S. did to folks that used their range. Now, honestly tell me that it's fine.
Amused

Ocoee, FL

#109 Apr 29, 2009
Guns for everyone wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, if they hadn't rented him a gun they would have mitigated their responsibility.
LOL, there's folks here calling for the banning of cars. I'm not running around like chicken little though. You NRA nuts are afraid of something that really no one is talking about here. You have no choice, you really believe what the NRA tells you. No one is going to take away your gun; feel better now?
Why do you keep asking the same stupid question? What do you (and the NRA) expect the answer to be? "yes, I believe everyone will turn in their guns, bad guys included." Obviously it's a stupid question, there's your stupid answer.
And, if you'd be willing to give your gun to someone then turn your back to them, that makes you stupid and irresponsible. If some guy walked up to you, some guy you'd never met, and asked and you said yes, then turned your back - you're stupid. Darwin has a theory about folks like you.
How safe do you feel knowing that S.S. was letting anyone in, renting them a gun if they signed a piece of paper? Go ahead, say that you feel totally safe. Lie to me. Or, admit that you're really stupid and it doesn't bother you a bit that you could have been a victim.
That's the bottom line, S.S.(and many other ranges) rented guns to everyone and anyone and the fact that this hasn't happened more often is nothing but luck.
I don't believe you've ever done what I'm describing. I'll tell ya what, next time you're in a bad neighborhood go ahead and offer some banger a chance to hold your gun. Or, go to the local nuthouse and do it. Give them your loaded gun, turn your back. You won't know the banger or nutjob from Adam, but as you said, renting or handing a gun to a stranger is fine, right?
That's what S.S. did to folks that used their range. Now, honestly tell me that it's fine.
Why do you keep saying no one is talking about taking away guns or outlawing them.

Many in this forum have done that.

Our President did many times before he got to Washington. The attorney general supports it. Various Governors and members of Congress and state legislatures do as well.

You can say that the chances of all guns being outlawed and seized is non-existent.

You can say that the chances of handguns being outlawed is slim.

But don't say that no one is talking about, proposing it, or hoping for it. Many people are.
Guns for everyone

Jacksonville, FL

#110 Apr 29, 2009
Yes, there are many things people would like to do. The NRA is the only group that can convince it's member to run around like chicken little.

I think that says something about its members.
pending calamity

New Smyrna Beach, FL

#111 Apr 29, 2009
Guns for everyone wrote:
<quoted text>Honestly, you've made that painfully obvious. Don't use phrases you've only heard on TV.
Clever little bugger you are.. What are we doing here? We are expressing opinions.. Not that I have to explain myself to someone who disagrees with an "opinion", you might know, that I did the economically diligent thing, and cut off my Dish Network account, and get 3 free channels...NASA, WE TV, and the style channel...I am pretty sure the consuming public out there can see that I caught nothing about SS from TV.
If you want to support an argument and your position, fine, these blogs are about "opinions". I respect everyone until they disprespect and disparage me, with some pithy
comeback that is neither intelligent nor of comedic intent.
Ciao'
Guns for everyone

Jacksonville, FL

#112 Apr 29, 2009
Sorry if I've offended your delicate sensibilities but what I said is true. Lots of folks use words they don't know how to use correctly and it doesn't help their argument.

:)
Guns for everyone

Jacksonville, FL

#113 Apr 29, 2009
Besides, I thought you gun nuts were tough guys?
Barbara Bush

Celina, TX

#114 Apr 29, 2009
Ian wrote:
<quoted text>
This seems like an honest question and not a troll, and I'm surprised nobody has answered it yet.
1. We don't really need a range with a bulletproof backstop for those.
2. Training purposes - if you've only ever practiced with a pellet gun and ever have need to fire a real gun (rabid zombie alligator or something) you'll probably miss your first shot, as the real weapon balances differently; most pellet guns have most of their mass in the grip, and nearly none in the barrel or frame. You'll probably miss your second through n-th shot because you won't know how to handle recoil, and won't have developed the muscles or technique used to hold a gun that's jumping around under recoil anywhere near on target. At a range where you can miss by three feet and hit a slab of armor plate, not such a problem. In the real world where you might be trying to keep someone from being mauled by said **** nazi zombie alligator, that might be the difference between hitting it and hitting some innocent bystander.
TL;DR: we need a safe, realistic way to practice so mistakes aren't made in a pinch.
People go to the firing range to practice shooting, or to rent and try out a gun before they buy it. Even with a rubber bullet, I would want the same powder charge as the real bullets I use. So a rubber bullet fired point blank in your own head would still kill you.
A rubber bullet might not come out the barrel the same as the bullets you're going to use.
All law abiding people need a good gun to protect themselves. And they need to know how to shoot to kill. You don't want to wound someone breaking into your house, it's too much paperwork and court hassles.
We all get sad or have bad days. It's silly for the gun clubs to quit renting guns. And we can't protect anyone that really wants to kill themselves. They'll find a way.
Guns for everyone

Jacksonville, FL

#115 Apr 29, 2009
Barbara Bush wrote:
<quoted text>
All law abiding people need a good gun to protect themselves.
Wow, what a statement. Now, if only the statistics backed it up.

There's thousands and thousands of CWP folks out there and millions and millions of homeowners own guns. Yet, despite the ENORMOUS numbers the NRA can only provide very, very small numbers of folks who have actually defended themselves with a gun.

Your statement is typical NRA BS. Most folks would be better off not pulling a gun on a crook. You can say it's because they're weak, or that they're cowards. Whatever, they'd be better off not pulling and loosing control of their gun.

Besides, what would happen if every citizen was armed? Do you think the criminals would just give up? Stealing is "work" to criminals. It's how they make their living. If every citizen had a gun, then the criminals would have no choice but to get a gun so they could stay in "business". So, now everyone has a gun. And, the most criminals KNOW they will use it if they need to. Can you say the same thing about EVERYONE you know?
pending calamity

New Smyrna Beach, FL

#116 Apr 29, 2009
Guns for everyone wrote:
Sorry if I've offended your delicate sensibilities but what I said is true. Lots of folks use words they don't know how to use correctly and it doesn't help their argument.
:)
Were you speaking to me? For the continuity of the thread, a direct reply would be rather helpfull in who you are replying too.
You asked me earlier why they should not be sued? I gave my opinion.
this is the problem with all of us here...We get put in a neat little bow tied box... My goal here is to break those perceptions and partisan definitions...I am a middle of the road democrat who voted for Obama. I will vote for him again in 4 years if his policies turn this debacle around.
I have not advocated free guns for all, nor gun restriction. I merely said the Range should not be sued by ambulance chasers for unforseen calamities.
Do you want to continue the continental divide by backing up sterotypes from each side? I am advocating that America come to the middle and leave the political fringes of society impotent.
What words did I not use correctly, if you are referring to me.
Barbara Bush

Celina, TX

#117 Apr 29, 2009
Guns for everyone wrote:
<quoted text>Wow, what a statement. Now, if only the statistics backed it up.
There's thousands and thousands of CWP folks out there and millions and millions of homeowners own guns. Yet, despite the ENORMOUS numbers the NRA can only provide very, very small numbers of folks who have actually defended themselves with a gun.
Your statement is typical NRA BS. Most folks would be better off not pulling a gun on a crook. You can say it's because they're weak, or that they're cowards. Whatever, they'd be better off not pulling and loosing control of their gun.
Besides, what would happen if every citizen was armed? Do you think the criminals would just give up? Stealing is "work" to criminals. It's how they make their living. If every citizen had a gun, then the criminals would have no choice but to get a gun so they could stay in "business". So, now everyone has a gun. And, the most criminals KNOW they will use it if they need to. Can you say the same thing about EVERYONE you know?
I'm not an NRA member and I've never been to a gun range. I shoot on the farm and at shooting matches.
The chances are very, very rare that your house will ever be invaded (unless you live in a ghetto) but what are you going to do if it is? Cry, hide, call the police? even if they arrive in 3 minutes ...

“Proud Southerner”

Level 1

Since: Feb 09

Solsberry, IN

#118 Apr 30, 2009
Guns for everyone wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, if they hadn't rented him a gun they would have mitigated their responsibility.
LOL, there's folks here calling for the banning of cars. I'm not running around like chicken little though. You NRA nuts are afraid of something that really no one is talking about here. You have no choice, you really believe what the NRA tells you. No one is going to take away your gun; feel better now?
Why do you keep asking the same stupid question? What do you (and the NRA) expect the answer to be? "yes, I believe everyone will turn in their guns, bad guys included." Obviously it's a stupid question, there's your stupid answer.
And, if you'd be willing to give your gun to someone then turn your back to them, that makes you stupid and irresponsible. If some guy walked up to you, some guy you'd never met, and asked and you said yes, then turned your back - you're stupid. Darwin has a theory about folks like you.
How safe do you feel knowing that S.S. was letting anyone in, renting them a gun if they signed a piece of paper? Go ahead, say that you feel totally safe. Lie to me. Or, admit that you're really stupid and it doesn't bother you a bit that you could have been a victim.
That's the bottom line, S.S.(and many other ranges) rented guns to everyone and anyone and the fact that this hasn't happened more often is nothing but luck.
I don't believe you've ever done what I'm describing. I'll tell ya what, next time you're in a bad neighborhood go ahead and offer some banger a chance to hold your gun. Or, go to the local nuthouse and do it. Give them your loaded gun, turn your back. You won't know the banger or nutjob from Adam, but as you said, renting or handing a gun to a stranger is fine, right?
That's what S.S. did to folks that used their range. Now, honestly tell me that it's fine.
I believe you stated earlier that you also own guns. Why is it that the rest of us who don't believe that SS was responsible for this cowards actions are "gun nuts"? I think the NRA does a good job of trying to educate people about guns even though I am NOT a member of the NRA. And you need to brush up on your reading comprehension. NO, I would not hand my weapon to a thug or gangbanger in the ghetto. But, being at a range, and usually you converse with those around you, I would let someone try my weapon. I have actually had a gentleman at a range offer to let me try his, which I did as I was thinking of buying the same weapon. No one is running around like chicken little, we are only posting our opinions. And I stand by mine, SS is not responsible for this coward's or the one before his, actions.
Guns for everyone

Jacksonville, FL

#119 Apr 30, 2009
pending calamity wrote:
<quoted text>
Were you speaking to me? For the continuity of the thread, a direct reply would be rather helpfull in who you are replying too.
You asked me earlier why they should not be sued? I gave my opinion.
this is the problem with all of us here...We get put in a neat little bow tied box... My goal here is to break those perceptions and partisan definitions...I am a middle of the road democrat who voted for Obama. I will vote for him again in 4 years if his policies turn this debacle around.
I have not advocated free guns for all, nor gun restriction. I merely said the Range should not be sued by ambulance chasers for unforseen calamities.
Do you want to continue the continental divide by backing up sterotypes from each side? I am advocating that America come to the middle and leave the political fringes of society impotent.
What words did I not use correctly, if you are referring to me.
It's not an unforeseen calamity. If they didn't think people could be shot (accidentally or intentionally) S.S. wouldn't carry insurance. Even if this had never happened before, you have to consider that you're handing a gun to someone you've never met - what MIGHT happen? Hmmm.

I don't have time to sort through this thread.
Guns for everyone

Jacksonville, FL

#120 Apr 30, 2009
Barbara Bush wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not an NRA member and I've never been to a gun range. I shoot on the farm and at shooting matches.
The chances are very, very rare that your house will ever be invaded (unless you live in a ghetto) but what are you going to do if it is? Cry, hide, call the police? even if they arrive in 3 minutes ...
I'd defend my family. But, that doesn't mean that it's the right choice for everyone. I completely disagree with your statement that everyone should have a gun.

What are you going to do? Are you sure that you're going to be able to pull the trigger? Before you say yes, remember that lots of folks thought they could, but couldn't when the time comes. Some folks, not necessarily yourself, would be better off NOT adding a gun to the party if they aren't going to use it.
Guns for everyone

Jacksonville, FL

#121 Apr 30, 2009
teeje63 wrote:
<quoted text>
I believe you stated earlier that you also own guns. Why is it that the rest of us who don't believe that SS was responsible for this cowards actions are "gun nuts"? I think the NRA does a good job of trying to educate people about guns even though I am NOT a member of the NRA. And you need to brush up on your reading comprehension. NO, I would not hand my weapon to a thug or gangbanger in the ghetto. But, being at a range, and usually you converse with those around you, I would let someone try my weapon. I have actually had a gentleman at a range offer to let me try his, which I did as I was thinking of buying the same weapon. No one is running around like chicken little, we are only posting our opinions. And I stand by mine, SS is not responsible for this coward's or the one before his, actions.
I calls 'em like I see 'em.

You need to work on your comprehension. I gave you an example based on what S.S. was doing. You chose to apply the tiniest part of it - that's a lack of comprehension.

You handing your gun to someone isn't very safe. I've been there, done that too. But, at least admit that it's not very safe. S.S. goes a step further than you or I were our selective loaning. They rent guns to ANYONE. ANYONE that walks through that door can rent a gun.(here's the part to pay attention to - if nothing else) So when I said you should go ahead and loan to a banger or nutjob I was saying that because that's what S.S. was doing. They rented guns to folks they didn't know from Adam. They put them in the lane next to upstanding citizens with a deadly weapon. I have a huge problem with that.

If you don't have a problem with them handing a gun to anyone then you should have no fear in handing your gun to anyone you meet on the street. Oh, have them sign a document first - that'll help.

IT'S STUPID TO RENT GUNS TO FOLKS YOU DON'T KNOW
change agent

Fruitland Park, FL

#122 Apr 30, 2009
Guns for everyone wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, there's laws in place against those items, but the NRA has pushed to have them removed.
If you see me in trouble, please don't help. Seriously. I'd rather be robbed than trust your aim.
SERIOUSLY
they fight the consitutionality of new laws they believe violate the 2nd amendment - however, the NRA by and large fights against additional legislation since the laws we have now are not being enforced as they should.

what exisiting laws are they taking on?
Guns for everyone

Jacksonville, FL

#123 Apr 30, 2009
change agent wrote:
<quoted text>
they fight the consitutionality of new laws they believe violate the 2nd amendment - however, the NRA by and large fights against additional legislation since the laws we have now are not being enforced as they should.
what exisiting laws are they taking on?
LOL, that's ridiculous. You're saying they aren't fighting new laws, trying to get laws repealed, pushing the envelope, pushing for less control? The NRA just wants the current laws enforced??? ROFL

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