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Ticked off! @ server complaints about tipping

There are 220 comments on the Orlando Sentinel story from Jun 4, 2009, titled Ticked off! @ server complaints about tipping. In it, Orlando Sentinel reports that:

To the person upset about lousy tippers, having the audacity to state, "If you can't tip at least 15 percent, then stay home," have you lost your mind? We "stiffers" do not wish to dine out to pay your salary.

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Dudley DoRight

Orlando, FL

#216 Feb 23, 2012
Well, I suppose all the skinflints who don't tip could look forward to the restaurants raising their prices and then adding a mandatory gratuity to their bill. Some do now for parties over so many (because they know what asses you are). What will you do then, skinflints?
McDonald's & BK is calling your name.

How selfish that you look forward to good service and stuff your face and think that the 'beneath you in class' wait staff is there to serve your rumps for nothing.

Cheapskates & skinflints, all of you, who stiff the wait-staff and not pay the CUSTOMARY gratuity for excellent service. Or throw your change on the table after you lick your greasy lips & fingers clean and pay your booze & food bill only.

And no, I not in the industry. So don't even go there.

That one post was right, maybe someone should dock your pay...and I'll add: to $4 an hr.

It's nothing more, no matter what excuse you throw on it, but that you are cheapskates and skinflints and very selfish.

“I Am Mine”

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#217 Feb 23, 2012
Dudley DoRight wrote:
Well, I suppose all the skinflints who don't tip could look forward to the restaurants raising their prices and then adding a mandatory gratuity to their bill. Some do now for parties over so many (because they know what asses you are). What will you do then, skinflints?
Actually, I would love that. I typically tip 20% and they normally add only 18%. Would save me money.
Dudley DoRight wrote:
How selfish that you look forward to good service and stuff your face and think that the 'beneath you in class' wait staff is there to serve your rumps for nothing.
Quite the contrary. I expect service at other businesses, but its not MY responsibility to pay them. The proprietor pays them. That's how it should be in a restaurant too. It should not be my job to pay the server. The fact that the restaurant industry has somehow passed this cost directly onto the consumer is ridiculous. Waitstaff is overhead just like employees in any other business. Build that into the cost of the food.
Dudley DoRight

Orlando, FL

#218 Feb 23, 2012
Mister Tonka wrote:
<quoted text> Quite the contrary. I expect service at other businesses, but its not MY responsibility to pay them. The proprietor pays them. That's how it should be in a restaurant too. It should not be my job to pay the server. The fact that the restaurant industry has somehow passed this cost directly onto the consumer is ridiculous. Waitstaff is overhead just like employees in any other business. Build that into the cost of the food.
I understand what you are saying, but on the other hand one is supposed to tip according to the good or bad service they receive.

Most wait staff does a great job, but believe me, I've had a few really bad servers before. If all were paid equally with no tips, there would be no incentive for the sluggardly to step up the game so to speak. Same with valets, room service, hotel staff etc.

So, I can understand why there is a base pay & the rest left according to how good or bad the individual diner's service was. Someone good at their job can make quite a bit of money at it. It's not just college kids as servers; there are some who have made careers at it, single mom's etc. Why should the server who doesn't care receive the same pay as someone who busts their buns to please the patrons?

It's just the way it always has been in the restaurant business. To raise pay would also raise the prices, so perhaps they think they would also get less business as a result.
Tired of Silly

Tavares, FL

#219 Feb 23, 2012
Mister Tonka wrote:
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Actually, I would love that. I typically tip 20% and they normally add only 18%. Would save me money.
<quoted text> Quite the contrary. I expect service at other businesses, but its not MY responsibility to pay them. The proprietor pays them. That's how it should be in a restaurant too. It should not be my job to pay the server. The fact that the restaurant industry has somehow passed this cost directly onto the consumer is ridiculous. Waitstaff is overhead just like employees in any other business. Build that into the cost of the food.
It would be a shame to penalize good waitstaff by eliminating tipping. I'm sure they make significantly more than restaurants would be willing to pay. The system we have works just fine as long as diners do not allow themselves to be blackmailed into tipping for bad service. The size of the tip reflects the quality of the service, period. Those who believe that diners are somehow obligated to tip a certain percentage even if the service is terrible are just plain stupid.
Dudley DoRight

Orlando, FL

#220 Feb 23, 2012
Adding, by raising food/meal prices at restaurants to compensate for paying 'overhead' (wait staff) instead of tipping, the customer will pay for it either way.

“I Am Mine”

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#221 Feb 23, 2012
Dudley DoRight wrote:
If all were paid equally with no tips, there would be no incentive for the sluggardly to step up the game so to speak.
So basically, in every other industry, where tips are not part of the equation, there is no incentive to do a good job? There is no incentive for the plumber or painter to do good work and do it right? Nonsense. The incentive is called keeping your job. If I don't do a good job and people complain to my boss, I'm more likely to be fired than if I do a good job and my boss gets compliments about me.

I see no reason why that model can't work in the restaurant industry. Do your job and get zero/minimal complaints to your manager from customers, then you will be a valued employee deserving of the paycheck they are giving you. Be a slack ass that cause people to complain, and you are on thin ice, maybe out of a job. There's your incentive.

“I Am Mine”

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#222 Feb 23, 2012
Dudley DoRight wrote:
Adding, by raising food/meal prices at restaurants to compensate for paying 'overhead'(wait staff) instead of tipping, the customer will pay for it either way.
At least that way, waitstaff can't complain about getting stiffed, cause their pay will be an issue between them and their employer, not the customer.
Dudley DoRight

Orlando, FL

#223 Feb 23, 2012
Mister Tonka wrote:
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So basically, in every other industry, where tips are not part of the equation, there is no incentive to do a good job? There is no incentive for the plumber or painter to do good work and do it right? Nonsense. The incentive is called keeping your job. If I don't do a good job and people complain to my boss, I'm more likely to be fired than if I do a good job and my boss gets compliments about me.
I see no reason why that model can't work in the restaurant industry. Do your job and get zero/minimal complaints to your manager from customers, then you will be a valued employee deserving of the paycheck they are giving you. Be a slack ass that cause people to complain, and you are on thin ice, maybe out of a job. There's your incentive.
It won't work that way. The cost will be passed on to the patron. In theory, your solution may work. In real life, it won't.

Raise the meal prices more and you'll see less business at that establishment and then, lay-off's and less hires. You'd be capping the pay and not attracting the level of dedicated server (experienced & excellent) who enjoys their work and needs the higher pay + tips for rent & bills. I'm not talking spending money for a young kid still at home. A good server, depending on the restaurant, can make a nice bit of money-way above minimum wage. Think they'll stick around being capped at minimum wage? I'm guessing no. You're going to get what you pay for. McDonald's pays minimum wage with way less work.

You can't compare other jobs to tipping jobs, because that is not the plumbers or painters business model. The painters, plumbers, repairmen are paid much, much more for their work, not minimum wage. Then they'll charge a huge 'service fee' on top of that as well. Totally different business models and work. I've seen some pretty lousy painters & plumbers too, but you still have to pay their high prices-or pay to go to court to dispute.

How much more are you willing to pay for a prepared meal in order to pay employees $7+ an hr so you don't have to tip?

The restaurant business is unique in itself. There is always a core of dedicated employees and a certain amount that come & go. It adds costs to hire & fire continuously all the time.

It always has been a tipping job, as is a cabbie, valet, and so forth. I don't think that will change any time soon.

“I Am Mine”

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#224 Feb 24, 2012
Dudley DoRight wrote:
It won't work that way. The cost will be passed on to the patron. In theory, your solution may work. In real life, it won't.
The cost is already passed on to the patron. And as a patron, I would prefer to be INDIRECTLY involved in the payment of workers than directly responsible. I would prefer that if an EMPLOYEE has an issue with how much money they make, they take it up with their employer, not the customer.
Dudley DoRight wrote:
Raise the meal prices more and you'll see less business at that establishment
Maybe. But you'd see more income PER retained customer.
Dudley DoRight wrote:
You'd be capping the pay and not attracting the level of dedicated server (experienced & excellent) who enjoys their work and needs the higher pay + tips for rent & bills.
You seem to place a server's service in much higher regard than I do. Dedicated and experienced? While I am in no way saying it is an easy job, its not rocket science. I care that you get my order right, refill my drink in a timely manner, and don't completely disappear for long periods in case I need some napkins or I drop a fork or something.
Dudley DoRight wrote:
I'm not talking spending money for a young kid still at home. A good server, depending on the restaurant, can make a nice bit of money-way above minimum wage. Think they'll stick around being capped at minimum wage? I'm guessing no. You're going to get what you pay for. McDonald's pays minimum wage with way less work.
I tip well cause I know how the game is played, but I don't view a server's job as a long term career and something that should pay well enough to support a family. It requires no education. A kid can do it. That's unskilled labor.
Dudley DoRight wrote:
You can't compare other jobs to tipping jobs, because that is not the plumbers or painters business model. The painters, plumbers, repairmen are paid much, much more for their work, not minimum wage. Then they'll charge a huge 'service fee' on top of that as well.
So if plumbers charge a fee, restaurants can too. Have a per person SERVICE charge. That would be way more fair than the current system anyway which is based on the cost of the food purchased. If I buy a steak, you do no more work delivering it to my table than if I ordered a salad, yet I am expected to tip more? I go to Ruth's Chris and am expected to tip more than if I went to Red Lobster? why? You are doing the same amout of work. The current model is a sham.
Dudley DoRight wrote:
How much more are you willing to pay for a prepared meal in order to pay employees $7+ an hr so you don't have to tip?
Hell, what's the normal length of time people spend at a table? 30 minutes? 45? You charge $1 a person surcharge and you'll make $8 for less than an hour of work if you have just 2 tables in your section with 4 people each. What's the normal number of tables covered by one server? I doubt its just 2.
Dudley DoRight wrote:
It always has been a tipping job, as is a cabbie, valet, and so forth. I don't think that will change any time soon.
I don't think it will either. Does not change my opinion. I am a consumer who likes to be told the price. If I likeit, I buy. If I don't, I don't buy. I don't like to haggle and I don't like the idea that some entitled server feels like he can bitch and moan about what the customer pays him. If you leave it up to me to pay you at my discretion, then stfu if you don't like what I pay you. Any employee's wage complaint should be directed ONLY to their employer.
AZ Server

Phoenix, AZ

#225 Sep 7, 2012
thats life wrote:
To the person upset about lousy tippers, having the audacity to state, "If you can't tip at least 15 percent, then stay home," have you lost your mind? We "stiffers" do not wish to dine out to pay your salary. We dine out to spend our hard-earned money on food in a nice setting. A tip is just a way of monetarily saying "thank you" for going above and beyond. I'm not sure about most, but I don't typically receive the "above and beyond" service in this day and age. I'm certainly not going to tip for mediocre service. Therefore, be happy with 10 percent — most of the time, you don't even deserve that! Remember, if you don't like the tips, you're not bound by any contract. Go find another profession!
If you are not typically receiving the "Above and Beyond" service from more than one server at more than one location, I doubt if it is a coincidence. After reading your whiny statement, it seems your tipping practices have encouraged mediocre service from the servers who know you.
It's ignorant people like you, who think when they go out to eat they should get waited on like a king and then NOT tip that cause the problem. The tip should be paid before your service and then you'll get the service you deserve! No tip = you will get crappy service. 20% and you'll be treated like the king you think you are. Dine at McDonalds if you don't want to tip ya jerk!
AZ Server

Phoenix, AZ

#226 Sep 7, 2012
Mister Tonka wrote:
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Actually, I would love that. I typically tip 20% and they normally add only 18%. Would save me money.
<quoted text> Quite the contrary. I expect service at other businesses, but its not MY responsibility to pay them. The proprietor pays them. That's how it should be in a restaurant too. It should not be my job to pay the server. The fact that the restaurant industry has somehow passed this cost directly onto the consumer is ridiculous. Waitstaff is overhead just like employees in any other business. Build that into the cost of the food.
If I only had a dime for every time I have heard, "oh you should not put the tip on because I tip way more than 18%" If you are truly a 20 % tipper, there is NOTHING stopping you from adding the extra 2 % onto the tip or perhaps even better....throwing the extra on the table in cash! In my 20 years in the restaurant business....95% of the people who complain about the tip are not pissed about poor service at all, they are mad because they are lousy tippers and they are being forced to leave a good tip. THEY ARE CHEAP, PERIOD!

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#227 Sep 7, 2012
AZ Server wrote:
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If I only had a dime for every time I have heard, "oh you should not put the tip on because I tip way more than 18%" If you are truly a 20 % tipper, there is NOTHING stopping you from adding the extra 2 % onto the tip or perhaps even better....throwing the extra on the table in cash! In my 20 years in the restaurant business....95% of the people who complain about the tip are not pissed about poor service at all, they are mad because they are lousy tippers and they are being forced to leave a good tip. THEY ARE CHEAP, PERIOD!
You greedy, petty tool. In addition to the 'mandatory' 18% added to our tabs, you want us to throw another 2% down in cash to make your precious 20%? On a $40 tab, that's 80 cents. Are you too dumb to realize how offensive that is? I used to tip 25-30% EASILY- now I'm scaling it back to exactly 18%. And if it's on my bill- ZERO money on the table.

And it's because of YOUR attitude. I hope your colleagues read this and take the time to thank you...

“I Am Mine”

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#228 Sep 7, 2012
AZ Server wrote:
If you are truly a 20 % tipper, there is NOTHING stopping you from adding the extra 2 % onto the tip
If your service is truly worth more than 18%, there is nothing stopping you from NOT putting an 18% price tag on your service. I've been to a number of places where the official policy is and automatic 18% for parties over a certain amount, but even though that policy is stated, it is still up to the server to actually add it. There have been a number of occassions where the server chose NOT to add that in, and they got the 20%.
BLively2

United States

#229 Sep 7, 2012
AZ Server wrote:
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It's ignorant people like you, who think when they go out to eat they should get waited on like a king and then NOT tip that cause the problem. The tip should be paid before your service and then you'll get the service you deserve! No tip = you will get crappy service. 20% and you'll be treated like the king you think you are. Dine at McDonalds if you don't want to tip ya jerk!
I'm not expected to be waited on like a king....I simply expect decent food.and decent service; and when I receive that, I leave a decent tip. If I receive better, my tip is better. It's quite simple. Crappy service, however, received no tip and a calling to the manager on duty before I even pay for.the.food, let alone.the service. Then, I become a.disciple of.hate, as I light up the online review boards to warn others -'ya Jerk!!!

“I Am Mine”

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#230 Sep 7, 2012
AZ Server wrote:
The tip should be paid before your service and then you'll get the service you deserve!!
When you go get your next haircut, make sure you pay before you sit down in the chair. Next time you need service on your car, make sure you pay them before they turn the first screw. Next time your lawn service shows up, make sure you have a check ready to hand them before they take their lawn equipment off the truck.
oriole1

Jamestown, NY

#231 Apr 27, 2013
Percentage tipping is unfair, if tipping should exist at all. If I eat some place and a meal is $20 and some place else it's $40, why should server #2 get 2x as much? Did they work 2x as hard. There should be a better way!
oriole1

Jamestown, NY

#232 Apr 27, 2013
People aren't cheap, owners and servers are GREEDY! Who raised 15% to 18 and 20? Inflation takes care of %-based formulas of which, this one is a sham! And the idiot that says to stay home may find out when people start to, You won't have a job. Remember, I'm here to eat, not make your BMW payment or your boss'!

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#233 Apr 29, 2013
I glad this thread got bumped back to the first page. I'm looking forward to the crybabies coming back to lament how dining patrons are so 'unfair'. Boo-hoo.

Tired of Silly
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#235 Jul 7, 2013
Woodlands Parkway wrote:
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We tip everywhere we go because we can afford to do so. My feeling is that if you can't afford to adequately tip, then don't go out to eat. We get treated well everywhere because the server knows they are guaranteed a tip. Even in restaurants where you order up front and then sit down, there is wait staff that refills drinks, brings to go boxes, etc. We tip there and other places. My spouse doubles the tax unless it is stellar service.
Someone tried to shun me into paying extra when we had a big party, but the waitress didn't warrant the extra. She kept asking me to hand plates over and I felt like I was doing her job, so no extra tip for her. She had an attitude too like a large table was a pain in her behind.
You don't go anywhere fatgirl. You can't get your lardass out of your trailer. That's why you're spamming hundreds of old threads. Did your TV break? Did you sit on it? There's not a waitress on earth who could carry as much food as you eat, fatgirl. Oh, and I see that today you're "married". Gonna kill off your imaginary husband and be a widow tomorrow? Or a teenage girl? What a sad life you have, fatgirl. Put down the potato chips (all ten bags of them) and die.
Lizzie

United States

#236 Jul 7, 2013
Never had to work as wait staff. College is a better option.

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