Once slow-moving threat, global warmi...

Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt...

There are 63930 comments on the Newsday story from Dec 14, 2008, titled Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt.... In it, Newsday reports that:

When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

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truth-facts

Delaware, OH

#49706 Aug 31, 2014
SpaceBlues wrote:
The first part of August was dominated by anomalously low sea level pressure over the Kara Sea, combined with anomalously high pressure over the central Arctic Ocean and Greenland, as well as the Beaufort and Chukchi seas. This led to warm air advection from the south over the East Siberian and Chukchi seas and extending into the central Arctic Ocean, with air temperatures at the 925 millibar height being nearly 8 degrees Celsius (14 degrees Fahrenheit) higher than average off the coast of Siberia near the New Siberian Islands. Sea ice concentrations in this region dropped compared to the beginning of August, and the waters along the coast of eastern Siberia are now mostly ice free. Ice concentrations are also low in the Beaufort Sea. Ice has continued to break up in the Kara Sea where it has been slow to melt out this summer. Nevertheless, air temperatures in the Kara Sea remain lower than average by 2 to 4 degrees Celsius (4 to 7 degrees Fahrenheit). As of mid-August, sea ice extent remains on track to end up somewhere between the sixth and the tenth lowest sea ice minimum.
http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/
Your dancing with desperation.
SPUD TATER

United States

#49707 Aug 31, 2014
truth-facts wrote:
<quoted text>Communist could careless about the little guy.
Yes, the working people don't matter to them. We still have coal related jobs now, but if these people get what they want, even the railroads may loose billions. Slick talking politicians have sold the working people of this country out down the road.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#49708 Aug 31, 2014
SPUD TATER wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, the working people don't matter to them. We still have coal related jobs now, but if these people get what they want, even the railroads may loose billions. Slick talking politicians have sold the working people of this country out down the road.
Go learn some facts about the US of A. Some 99 percent work the next meal, i.e. little guys. You support the big coal, duh.

Do you know that the cost of deleting coal is less than the health costs of coal? Go figure why the working people don't matter to you!

“BET DAP”

Level 4

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#49709 Aug 31, 2014
greenies have warped imaginations.
SPUD TATER

United States

#49710 Aug 31, 2014
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>
Go learn some facts about the US of A. Some 99 percent work the next meal, i.e. little guys. You support the big coal, duh.
Do you know that the cost of deleting coal is less than the health costs of coal? Go figure why the working people don't matter to you!
You guys are making this stuff up. Tell me how truck drivers and railroad workers and businesses who sell to people who get the most of their income from coal have paid anymore than normal for health?
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#49711 Aug 31, 2014
SPUD TATER wrote:
<quoted text>
You guys are making this stuff up. Tell me how truck drivers and railroad workers and businesses who sell to people who get the most of their income from coal have paid anymore than normal for health?
Excuse me for being precise. Unfortunately, you misunderstood willingly. Are you really not aware that coal pollution costs health loss? This cost applies to everybody, meaning, everyone is affected beyond the coal miners, etc. You and I, included.

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Level 10

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#49714 Aug 31, 2014
gcaveman1 wrote:
Ohmagawd! The daily mail and American thinker? I hope you checked the Globe and the Enquirer, too!
In the rational world, the message is the significant issue, not the messenger.

More Arctic ice now than before? Of course, and more to come this Winter. Man made catastrophic climate disruption is pseudoscience.

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Level 10

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#49715 Aug 31, 2014
SpaceBlues wrote:
The first part of August was dominated by anomalously low sea level pressure over the Kara Sea, combined with anomalously high pressure over the central Arctic Ocean and Greenland, as well as the Beaufort and Chukchi seas. This led to warm air advection from the south over the East Siberian and Chukchi seas and extending into the central Arctic Ocean, with air temperatures at the 925 millibar height being nearly 8 degrees Celsius (14 degrees Fahrenheit) higher than average off the coast of Siberia near the New Siberian Islands. Sea ice concentrations in this region dropped compared to the beginning of August, and the waters along the coast of eastern Siberia are now mostly ice free. Ice concentrations are also low in the Beaufort Sea. Ice has continued to break up in the Kara Sea where it has been slow to melt out this summer. Nevertheless, air temperatures in the Kara Sea remain lower than average by 2 to 4 degrees Celsius (4 to 7 degrees Fahrenheit). As of mid-August, sea ice extent remains on track to end up somewhere between the sixth and the tenth lowest sea ice minimum.
http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/
Why all the excuses? Al Gore forecasted no more Summer Arctic ice by now and he's wrong again.
SPUD TATER

United States

#49716 Aug 31, 2014
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>
Excuse me for being precise. Unfortunately, you misunderstood willingly. Are you really not aware that coal pollution costs health loss? This cost applies to everybody, meaning, everyone is affected beyond the coal miners, etc. You and I, included.
It is not just coal. As a matter of fact, coal is one of the least harmful big businesses to the natural environment. Why is it that the chemical manufacturers and big oil and pharmaceutical companies are getting a free pass on this? Lets face it, we can not do anything that will stop all of the health problems and we all will die of something or the other someday. I am all for doing things to help future generations deal with the world they will live in, but the hard facts are that people today have to put food on their tables. We can't just jerk the rug out from under honest hard working people. The well fare public assistance programs that some of these out of work persons will need to draw will cost taxpayers somewhere.
litesong

Everett, WA

#49717 Aug 31, 2014
[QUOTE who="lyin' brian"]In the rational world, the message is the significant issue......
More Arctic ice now than before? Of course......[/QUOTE]

In the science & mathematical world, science & mathematics is the significant issue.

When "lyin' brian" is being a sleepy sleazy slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting (& rotting) racist pukey proud pig, it is NOT rational. It has no science chemistry astronomy physics algebra or pre-calc in a poorly earned hi skule DEE-plooomaa. It has no means to ask or answer proper science or mathematical questions. It DOES have errors of 1million TIMES, 1OOO TIMES, 3000 TIMES, 73+million TIMES, 2.5+trillion TIMES, & 3.5 trillion TIMES.

Average Arctic sea ice VOLUME for August 1, for the period 1980-89, was ~18,200 cubic kilometers. Present August 1, 2014 sea ice VOLUME is ~9600 cubic kilometers,~8600 cubic kilometers LESS than the 1980-89 average for August 1. Presently, surface Arctic sea ice footage is less than in 2013 at the same time.
SpaceBlues

Magnolia, TX

#49720 Aug 31, 2014
HOAX UVIELED AGAIN wrote:
<quoted text>
The above meltdown occurs when the global warming/climate change lies gets very cold, almost Ice Age!
Myth of arctic meltdown: Stunning satellite images show summer ice cap is thicker and covers 1.7million square kilometres MORE than 2 years ago...despite Al Gore's prediction it would be ICE-FREE by now
full story:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-27386...
Listen.. your link has been posted in the forum at least three times today.. Alas, the Daily Mail!

Here's the overview of conditions..

Sea ice declined at slightly slower than average rates through the first part of August. By mid-August, extent was similar to this time last year, which makes it unlikely that this year’s minimum extent will approach the record low level observed in September 2012. On August 17, sea ice extent was 1.03 million square kilometers (398,000 square miles) below the 1981 to 2010 long-term average and 1.42 million square kilometers (548,000 square miles) above that observed in 2012 on the same date. Ice extent remains below average everywhere, except near Franz Joseph Land and in the northern part of the Barents Sea. Extent is particularly low in the Laptev Sea where open water now extends to about 85 degrees latitude, less than 560 kilometers (350 miles) from the North Pole. This is the one region of the Arctic where ice loss has been exceptional in 2014 compared to recent summers. Ice extent is also very low in the East Greenland Sea, possibly as a result of reduced ice transport through Fram Strait.

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/
litesong

Everett, WA

#49721 Aug 31, 2014
[QUOTE who="lewd dated & hated"]In the history of science has their ever been a group that has changed the name...... as many times? Global warming.Global climate change. Global climate disruption. What's next.[/QUOTE]

In 2002 Frank Luntz, advisor to re-pubic-lick-uns, told candidates to use the term, "climate change", instead of AGW. re-pubic-lick-uns love to change words to hide their inferiority.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#49722 Aug 31, 2014
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>In the rational world, the message is the significant issue, not the messenger.
More Arctic ice now than before? Of course, and more to come this Winter. Man made catastrophic climate disruption is pseudoscience.
What would you know about rational?

The message in those rags is usually a sensational lie. The messengers are liars who are selling ads and magazines to rubes. That's why you can't figure it out.

I'll go with the science dudes looking at the problems in the Artic, and they say ice is in a steady decline.

You going to see more and more of the climate disruption that you laugh off.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#49723 Aug 31, 2014
truth-facts wrote:
<quoted text>Your such a fking hypocrite.Steyer will spend 500 million on candidates that will back his agenda.
You,the dancing puppet,make for a good show.
I'm guessing you have no way of backing that statement up. With a reputable source (i.e., not the Globe, etc.)
SpaceBlues

Magnolia, TX

#49724 Aug 31, 2014
FRISCO — Global warming is upsetting the delicate balance between Antarctic ice, air and sea, University of Southampton scientists said this week, releasing results of a study showing a rapid rise in sea level around the frozen continent.

Based on an analysis of 19 years worth of satellite data, the researcher said sea level around the coast of Antarctica has climbed 2 centimeters more than the global average, driven almost entirely by an increase in freshwater, which is less dense than saltwater. That can cause localized increases in sea level, said Craig Rye, lead author of the paper published in the journal Nature Geoscience.

Other recent studies have shown that the freshwater cap from melting ice may inhibit the upwelling of warmer water, which is potentially a factor in the recent expansion of Antarctic sea ice.

Oceanographers have also measured other dramatic changes around Antarctica, including shrinkage of a pool of very cold water at the bottom of the Southern Ocean, which is likely to affect global ocean circulation in the future. Warming in the region may also speed invasions by non-native species, another study concluded.

The melting of the Antarctic ice sheet and the thinning of floating ice shelves has contributed an excess of around 350 gigatonnes of freshwater to the surrounding ocean. This has led to a reduction in the salinity of the surrounding oceans that has been corroborated by ship-based studies of the water.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#49725 Aug 31, 2014
truth-facts wrote:
<quoted text>Your such a fking hypocrite.Steyer will spend 500 million on candidates that will back his agenda.
You,the dancing puppet,make for a good show.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/05/us-c...

I typed some other stuff and lost it so you get this again. Idiot.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#49726 Aug 31, 2014
gcaveman1 wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm guessing you have no way of backing that statement up. With a reputable source (i.e., not the Globe, etc.)
With all these moronic posts from deniers it's only based on opinions not hard facts. They also tend to take the word of a right wing blogger over that of established science. When you have factual information conflict with an ideology then ideology wins every time with these guys.
Louis Slungpoo

Chatsworth, CA

#49727 Aug 31, 2014
In 1820, Earth began its recovery from the Little Ice Age. This natural warming has continued with superimposed ocean cycles to today. Glaciers began to shorten in 1820, about 140 years before humans began to emit significant CO2.

Humans caused only 3 percent of the CO2 increase since 1958. Nature caused 97 percent. Even if we stopped all human CO2 emissions, we would have no effect on climate.
Natural CO2 emissions and absorptions are each 40 times human emissions, and the small difference determines whether CO2 rises or falls.

Nature easily compensates for human emissions. Claims that human CO2 emissions have “tipped” some “natural balance” is a doctrine of eco-religion but has no basis in physics.
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#49728 Sep 1, 2014
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>In the rational world, the message is the significant issue, not the messenger.
Yet few will listen to the village idiot no matter his message and you fit that description. If he is right, it is only by accident and not worth the time to sort the garbage for any gems of wisdom.
Brian_G wrote:
More Arctic ice now than before? Of course, and more to come this Winter. Man made catastrophic climate disruption is pseudoscience.
Not. Well within year to year variability and still on the decline
http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Why all the excuses? Al Gore forecasted no more Summer Arctic ice by now and he's wrong again.
Al Gore made no predictions. All he did was report what the SCIENTISTS said in a documentary.

The scientists still say that the summer arctic will be ice free somewhere between 2015 and 2030. Hard to pin down a specific year since there is some variability from year to year. However, the current 'ice cover' is somewhat misleading since it is well understood to be lower if volume yet more distributed.'ice covered' means 15% ice, not frozen solid.

Just trying to educate you a little. I know you will resist with all your ignorance.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#49729 Sep 1, 2014
Lord Hater wrote:
<quoted text>
He was talking about global warming then.
Which is old news.
Now to try and stay relevant its called global climate disruption.
Question.
In the history of science has their ever been a group that has changed the name of their cause as many times as the warmies. Global warming.Global climate change. Global climate disruption. What's next.
The "?" symbol is at the lower right and you need to press the "shift" key to get it. I mention this because you appear to be asking questions but don't know how to use a keyboard.

As science exposes new information, the old names can remain, be modified, or be discarded. Science is willing to change, unlike deniers, who are like old people, stuck in their ways.

You must surely suspect some nefarious liberal conspiracy in the physics world, then, since the terminology and evidence for the smallest particle of matter has changed so much since Democritus in 460 BC. The smallest particles started out being called atoms, then those sneaky scientists started talking about electrons and protons and neutrons being smaller, then they came up with more seemingly suspicious particles called nucleons and photons and quarks and gluons and muons and neutrinos and charms and mesons and on and on and on. Those damn physicists are definitely up to no good, changing these names and sizes all the time!

Science isn't wrong, it's expanding.

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