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There are 63976 comments on the Newsday story from Dec 14, 2008, titled Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt.... In it, Newsday reports that:

When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

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SpaceBlues

Magnolia, TX

#46456 May 6, 2014
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There are three primary reasons for the increase in ozone with climate change:

•Chemical reactions in the atmosphere that produce ozone occur more rapidly at higher temperatures.
•Plants emit more volatile organic compounds at higher temperatures, which can increase ozone formation if mixed with pollutants from human sources.
•Methane, which is increasing in the atmosphere, contributes to increased ozone globally and will enhance baseline levels of surface ozone across the United States.
•In the second scenario, Pfister and her colleagues found that sharp reductions in nitrogen oxides and volatile organic compounds could reduce ozone pollution even as the climate warms. In fact, 90 percent of the time, ozone levels would range from 27 to 55 ppb. The number of instances when ozone pollution would exceed the 75 ppb level dropped to less than 1 percent of current cases.
Mothra

Tempe, AZ

#46457 May 6, 2014
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>You got that right, LOL.
Apparently sarcasm is beyond your grasp.

Tell ya what... let's measure your IQ in ppm... do you think 400 give you so much more brain power than 350?

Go watch Spongebob... have your mom explain the big words.

“Sharia, NOT!”

Level 1

Since: Jul 10

Hampton, VA

#46458 May 6, 2014
SpaceBalls wrote:
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There are three primary reasons for the increase in ozone with climate change:
Ohhhhhhh, so now CO2 emissions create Ozone? I suspect you "the sky is falling" crowd forget how your old mantra that said "CO2 emissions were ripping a hole in the Ozone layer". Hahahahaha

Like I said, use science: there are on average 100 lightning strikes every second somewhere in the world. Lightning creates ozone. Duh!

You guys are too funny.

“Amor patriae.”

Level 5

Since: Feb 08

Eastern Oregon

#46459 May 6, 2014
SpaceBlues wrote:
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There are three primary reasons for the increase in ozone with climate change:
•Chemical reactions in the atmosphere that produce ozone occur more rapidly at higher temperatures.
•Plants emit more volatile organic compounds at higher temperatures, which can increase ozone formation if mixed with pollutants from human sources.
•Methane, which is increasing in the atmosphere, contributes to increased ozone globally and will enhance baseline levels of surface ozone across the United States.
•In the second scenario, Pfister and her colleagues found that sharp reductions in nitrogen oxides and volatile organic compounds could reduce ozone pollution even as the climate warms. In fact, 90 percent of the time, ozone levels would range from 27 to 55 ppb. The number of instances when ozone pollution would exceed the 75 ppb level dropped to less than 1 percent of current cases.
Who do you blame for the innumerable climate fluctuations, some hotter, some colder, that have occurred over the last 4 billion years? Who can argue that these recurring "disasters" are not directly responsible for life as we know it? Who can say, with any degree of certainty, that attempts to alter these natural cycles would do more harm than good?
SpaceBlues

United States

#46460 May 6, 2014
Mothra wrote:
<quoted text>
Apparently sarcasm is beyond your grasp.
Tell ya what... let's measure your IQ in ppm... do you think 400 give you so much more brain power than 350?
Go watch Spongebob... have your mom explain the big words.
Fake your own advice..
Mothra

Tempe, AZ

#46461 May 6, 2014
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Fake your own advice..
"Fake"?

Have your mommy check your spelling too.

LOL
litesong

Everett, WA

#46462 May 6, 2014
mudbuilder wrote:
the last 4 billion years?
"mudbuilder" lets its ego think it knows Earth history, astronomy & science better than AGW scientists with 10-40 years more training, study & work in science & mathematics. The less "mudbuilder" knows, the more "mudbuilder" thinks it knows....... Dunning–Kruger effect.
litesong

Everett, WA

#46463 May 6, 2014
ratdownthemiddledownwronggully wrote:
there have probably been thousands upon thousands of tornadoes in what is now know as the pacific northwest.......
You would have to be talkin' a period of 50,000-100,000 years. Occasionally, strong whirlwinds have damaged or lifted roofs off older barns. We do get a lot of straight line winds.....some as high as 80-100 mph.....ocean shore gusts to 130(?) mph. Eastern Washington & Oregon get good blows(wind turbines tap lots of power)...... & they get lots of whirlwinds. I've been on vistas & noted 30-50 whirlwinds twirling across the farmlands at any one time. Twice I've stopped my car on highways to let larger 100-200 foot tall whirlwinds pass across the road in front of me....... probably winds of 35-60mph.

But tornadoes....... not so much.

People really fear in Tornado Alley for good reason.
SpaceBlues

United States

#46464 May 6, 2014
Mothra wrote:
<quoted text>
"Fake"?
Have your mommy check your spelling too.
LOL
Yes, fake it.

You have a mommy complex, LOL.
Mothra

Tempe, AZ

#46465 May 6, 2014
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, fake it.
You have a mommy complex, LOL.
When in a hole, quit digging.

Free advice... take it. You're doing nothing to improve your argument.
SpaceBlues

United States

#46466 May 6, 2014
Mothra wrote:
<quoted text>
When in a hole, quit digging.
Free advice... take it. You're doing nothing to improve your argument.
Gee, do you always wish for a friend .. in wrong places??

Fake your own advice.
SpaceBlues

United States

#46467 May 6, 2014
The [federal] report also says "climate change threatens human health and well-being in many ways." Those include smoke-filled air from more wildfires, smoggy air from pollution, more diseases from tainted food, water, mosquitoes and ticks. And then there's more pollen because of warming weather and the effects of carbon dioxide on plants. Ragweed pollen season has lengthened by 24 days in the Minnesota-North Dakota region between 1995 and 2011, the report says. In other parts of the Midwest, the pollen season has gotten longer by anywhere from 11 days to 20 days.

And all this will come with a hefty cost, the report says.

Flooding alone may cost $325 billion by the year 2100 in one of the worst-case scenarios, with $130 billion of that in Florida, the report says. Already the droughts and heat waves of 2011 and 2012 added about $10 billion to farm costs, the report says. Billion-dollar weather disasters have hit everywhere across the nation, but have hit Texas, Oklahoma and the Southeast most often, the report says.
Mothra

Tempe, AZ

#46468 May 6, 2014
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Gee, do you always wish for a friend .. in wrong places??
Fake your own advice.
*poof"

More CO2 into the atmosphere courtesy of a global warming hypocrite.

LOL

“BET DAP”

Level 4

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#46469 May 6, 2014
litesong wrote:
<quoted text>
You would have to be talkin' a period of 50,000-100,000 years.
People really fear in Tornado Alley for good reason.
that was kind of my point. 50-100k years is very short in terms of the planets existence.

i lived in tornado alley for a good portion of my life, but none of the people i knew lived in fear.

at least one tornado hits washington on average per year.
the guy at the end of this video exemplifies the hysteria of alarmists!
http://www.ksdk.com/video/2707987118001/1/Rar...

“fairtax.org”

Level 8

Since: Dec 08

Gauley Bridge WV

#46470 May 6, 2014
The new name for climate change is GLOBAL CLIMATE DISRUPTION!!!!
Climate Change Scientist

Corona Del Mar, CA

#46471 May 6, 2014
Climate change will now be known as CLIMATE REACTION.

Change implied no man made source.

Reaction is response to man made catalysts.

Got it? CLIMATE REACTION.

Forget global warming. Forget climate change.

It's CR from now on. Stop CR!

“BET DAP”

Level 4

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#46472 May 6, 2014
Climate Change Scientist wrote:
Climate change will now be known as CLIMATE REACTION.
Change implied no man made source.
Reaction is response to man made catalysts.
Got it? CLIMATE REACTION.
Forget global warming. Forget climate change.
It's CR from now on. Stop CR!
agreed......this forum has plenty of reactionary's sitting on the porch.

Level 1

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#46474 May 6, 2014
Mothra wrote:
One way adjustments: The Latest Alteration to the U.S. Climate Record
On Thursday, March 13, 2014, the U.S. National Climactic Data Center switched to gridded GHCN-D data sets it uses to report long term temperature trends – with a resulting dramatic change in the official U.S. climate record. As seems to always happen when somebody modifies the temperature record, the new version of the record shows a significantly stronger warming trend than the unmodified or, in this case, discarded version.
The new dataset, called “nClimDiv,” shows the per decade warming trend from 1895 through 2012 for the contiguous United States to be 0.135 degrees Fahrenheit. The formerly used dataset, called “Drd964x,” shows the per decade warming trend over the same period to be substantially less – only 0.088 degrees. Which is closer to the truth?
As will be illustrated below in the side by side comparison graphs, the increase in the warming trend in the new data set is largely the consequence of significantly lowering the temperature record in the earlier part of the century, thereby creating a greater “warming” trend.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/04/29/one-way...

For the Drd964x dataset, each divisional value from 1931-2013 is simply the arithmetic average of the station data within it, a computational practice that results in a bias when a division is spatially undersampled in a month (e.g., because some stations did not report) or is climatologically inhomogeneous in general (e.g., due to large variations in topography).
For the Drd964x dataset, all divisional values before 1931 stem from state averages published by the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) rather than from actual station observations, producing an artificial discontinuity in both the mean and variance for 1895-1930 (Guttman and Quayle, 1996).
In the Drd964x dataset, many divisions experienced a systematic change in average station location and elevation during the 20th Century, resulting in spurious historical trends in some regions (Keim et al., 2003; Keim et al., 2005; Allard et al., 2009).
Finally, none of the Drd964x dataset station-based temperature records contain adjustments for historical changes in observation time, station location, or temperature instrumentation, inhomogeneities which further bias temporal trends (Peterson et al., 1998).

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/monitoring-reference...

Were the data more accurate for *not* adjusting for changes in observation time, station location, or temperature instrumentation?
SpaceBlues

United States

#46475 May 6, 2014
Cont'd

The first (and most straightforward) improvement to the nClimDiv dataset involves updating the underlying network of stations, which now includes additional station records and contemporary bias adjustments (i.e., those used in the U.S. Historical Climatology Network version 2; Menne et al., 2009).

The second (and far more extensive) improvement is to the computational methodology, which now addresses topographic and network variability via climatologically aided interpolation (Willmott and Robeson, 1995). The outcome of these improvements is a new divisional dataset that maintains the strengths of its predecessor while providing more robust estimates of areal averages and long-term trends.

The NCDC's Climate Monitoring Branch transitioned from the Drd964x dataset to the more modern the nClimDiv dataset in early 2014. While this transition did not disrupt the current product stream, some variances in temperature and precipitation values may be observed throughout the data record. For example, in general, climate divisions with extensive topography above the average station elevation will be reflected as cooler climatology. An assessment of the major impacts of this transition can be found in Fenimore, et. al, 2011.

P.S... WILL provide more accurate results.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#46476 May 6, 2014
From NYT

I'd be dumping those insurance stocks if I were you muddleman.

"The effects of human-induced climate change are being felt in every corner of the United States, scientists reported Tuesday, with water growing scarcer in dry regions, torrential rains increasing in wet regions, heat waves becoming more common and more severe, wildfires growing worse, and forests dying under assault from heat-loving insects.

Such sweeping changes have been caused by an average warming of less than two degrees Fahrenheit over most land areas of the country in the past century, the scientists found. If greenhouse gases like carbon dioxide and methane continue to escalate at a rapid pace, they said, the warming could conceivably exceed 10 degrees by the end of this century."

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/07/science/ear...

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