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litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#43761 Feb 21, 2014
motheaten wrote:
only 'approved' diversity is celebrated.
....... as opposed to unapproved slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rottitng) racist pukey proud pig white guys.....
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#43764 Feb 21, 2014
[QUOTE who="ratdownthemiddle ", "middleofthedownwronggull y"]the reason so many of them vote twice.......[/QUOTE]

After re-pubic-lick-uns corralled racists to vote against candidate & Pres. Obama, re-pubic-lick-uns surmised that Pres. Obama won both times, because the re-pubic-lick-un racists forgot to vote twice. Every good re-pubic-lick-un knows that. The decreasing percentage re-pubic-lick-uns are keeping their power now, only by really creative gerrymandering.
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Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#43765 Feb 21, 2014
Socialism is for Sissies wrote:
<quoted text>I believe this :"We might forgive these modelers if their forecasts had not been so consistently and spectacularly wrong. From the beginning of climate modeling in the 1980s, these forecasts have, on average, always overstated the degree to which the Earth is warming compared with what we see in the real climate."
The article clearly reflects that as scientists they must step back and take a look based upon facts and not speculative models that hurt their cause. Something a lot of us have said for years. Note that the models get redefined as more facts become know.
Science must demand FACTS AND NOT GRANTS based upon the sky is falling emotions.
The only thing worse than the models are the "sceptics" predictions.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/graphics/Pred...

As to why the models are off, science now has a pretty good idea.
"We show that a pronounced strengthening in Pacific trade winds over the past two decades is sufficient to account for the cooling of the tropical Pacific and a substantial slowdown in surface warming," said the study, led by scientists from the University of New South Wales in Australia.

"The net effect of these anomalous winds is a cooling in the 2012 global average surface air temperature of 0.1-0.2 degrees Celsius, which can account for much of the hiatus in surface warming since 2001."

The study's authors, including scientists from other research centres and universities in the United States, Hawaii and Australia, used weather forecasting and satellite data and climate models to make their conclusions.

"This hiatus could persist for much of the present decade if the trade winds trends continue, however, rapid warming is expected to resume once the anomalous wind trends abate," the study said.

"If the anomalously strong trade winds begin to abate in the next few years, the model suggests the present hiatus will be short-lived, with rapid warming set to resume soon after the wind trends reverse," it added.
http://www.trust.org/item/20140209174016-vo0m...

You have a few more years to peddle this crap. Knock yourself out.
Mothra

Phoenix, AZ

#43766 Feb 21, 2014
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>HONESTLY!!! Have you ever seen a model that underestimated actual data?
Proof is in the pudding!!! These people are really reaching now. Talk about 'intellectual' dishonesty.
Computer models can be made to do whatever you design them to do. Don't like the results?

Tweak it.

Ta-da!

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#43767 Feb 21, 2014
Mothra wrote:
<quoted text>
When every single model overestimates warming how can anyone argue there isn't a bias towards a preconceived "scientific" consensus?
Did you ever wonder about those living close to the Chernobyl Plant yet survived following the nuke meltdown. That's exactly the way you deniers treat the science of climate change. You pick out the survivors and declare it isn't happening. Completely ignoring the 1000's dead.
I mean they have computer models mapping the universe now, maybe they might miss a couple of planets and in the end does it really matter ? According to your lot it does, and that's why you keep coming up with these BS arguments like Al Gore says the Ice will keep melting for the next 20 yrs but if it stops at 18 he is wrong! That's pretty damn lame trying to tell us we can ignore the past as if it never happened.
Traffic

Chicago, IL

#43768 Feb 21, 2014
Global Warming? LMAO....what a joke.
Level 1

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#43769 Feb 21, 2014
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>really?? where's yours?
weather and climate is ever changing... you quacks like to exploit misfortunes.
debate that, sasquatch!!
lol
Hey, its your choice to be as ignorant as you want, no one is forcing you to believe anything.
University

Los Angeles, CA

#43770 Feb 21, 2014
oneear69 wrote:
<quoted text> Hey, its your choice to be as ignorant as you want, no one is forcing you to believe anything.
And which politician are you whole heartedly supporting in your efforts to combat climate change? It's time to name names.

Hmmmmm?

Well?
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Since: Oct 10

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#43771 Feb 21, 2014
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>you need to go back and read your own material, son!
scientists haven't agreed on anything except speculation......especially where grant money is concerned. i haven't seen a scientist say anything more than might or may!!
i haven't seen a scientist stick his neck out showing what man made co2 emission reductions will do in altering climate!!
have you, make believe smarty??
Do you know the meaning of science, the scientific method, alchemy, manipulation.variables Do you know how to tell the difference between, science, and politics. Are you any good at simple math.
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Since: Oct 10

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#43772 Feb 21, 2014
Socialism is for Sissies wrote:
<quoted text>So, you believe what the consensus says then, correct?
Well this article is for you and those in your consensus.
Here's the background on the authors: McNider and Christy are professors of atmospheric science at the University of Alabama in Huntsville and fellows of the American Meteorological Society. Mr. Christy was a member of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change that shared the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize with former Vice President Al Gore. Mr. Christy was a member of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change that shared the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize with Vice President Al Gore.
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1000142...
So you too, are using politicians to have a science debate. Perhaps you 2 should step outside your nationalism, and see what global scientists are saying. Its really not that hard, the means are right in front of you. PS, don't use wikipedia, or any kind of christian science(I can't believe they put those 2 words together), they seem to be a little politically biased.
GE dumps GLOBAL WARMING

Monroe, NC

#43773 Feb 21, 2014
In a watershed moment and a huge victory over environmentalists, General Electric has agreed to stop projects that are designed solely for the purpose of carbon dioxide reductions to please those who lobby for climate change concessions.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/...
Truth Facts

Chillicothe, OH

#43774 Feb 21, 2014
GE dumps GLOBAL WARMING wrote:
In a watershed moment and a huge victory over environmentalists, General Electric has agreed to stop projects that are designed solely for the purpose of carbon dioxide reductions to please those who lobby for climate change concessions.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/...
Bout time someone stood up to the GW natzi's.
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Since: Oct 10

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#43775 Feb 21, 2014
GE dumps GLOBAL WARMING wrote:
In a watershed moment and a huge victory over environmentalists, General Electric has agreed to stop projects that are designed solely for the purpose of carbon dioxide reductions to please those who lobby for climate change concessions.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/...
Yea for GE,
Can the world’s biggest corporations act with impunity? When it comes to General Electric (GE)-- the eighth largest U.S. corporation, with $146.9 billion in sales and $13.6 billion in profits in 2012 -- the answer appears to be “yes.”

Let us begin with a small-scale case in upstate New York, where in late September 2013 GE announced that it would close its electrical capacitor plant in the town of Fort Edward. Some 200 workers will lose their jobs and, thereafter, will have little opportunity to obtain comparable wages, pensions, or even employment in this economically distressed region. Ironically, the plant has been highly profitable. Earlier in the year, the local management threw a party to celebrate a record-breaking quarter. But the high-level financial dealings of a vast multinational operation like GE are mysterious, and the company merely announced that the Fort Edward plant was “non-competitive.” The United Electrical Workers (UE), the union that has represented the workers there for the past 70 years, has already begun a vigorous campaign of resistance to the plant closing, but it is sure to be an uphill battle.

If we dig deeper into the record, a broader pattern of corporate misbehavior emerges. Indeed, the Fort Edward factory is one of two GE plants that polluted the communities at Fort Edward and nearby Hudson Falls, as well as a 197-mile stretch of the Hudson River, with 1.3 million pounds of cancer-causing PCBs for several decades. Worried about the dangers of PCBs, workers asked managers about them, and were told that these toxins were perfectly safe -- in fact, that the workers should rub the PCBs on their heads to combat baldness! When the extent of this environmental disaster began to be revealed in the 1970s, GE began a lengthy campaign to deny it and, later, a multimillion dollar public relations campaign to prevent remedial action by the Environmental Protection Administration. GE lost this battle, for the EPA insisted upon the dredging of the Hudson River and ordered GE to pay for it. Thus, the Hudson Valley became the largest Superfund cleanup site in the United States, with a project that will take decades to complete.

GE has produced other environmental disasters, as well. Three GE nuclear reactors at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power site in Japan melted down and exploded on March 31, 2011. This was the world’s worst nuclear accident in three decades, and quickly spread radioactive contamination nearly 150 miles. Indeed, the stricken reactors are still sending 300 tons a day of radioactive water flooding into the Pacific Ocean. Dr. Helen Caldicott, who has studied nuclear power for decades, has estimated that up to 3.5 million people could eventually die from cancer thanks to the Fukushima radiation release. In the late 1960s and early 1970s, when these boiling water nuclear reactors were installed, GE’s engineers and management knew that their design was flawed. But the company kept selling them to unsuspecting utilities around the world, including many in the United States. As a result, there are still 35 GE boiling water reactors operating in this country, most of them located near population centers east of the Mississippi River. Currently, in fact, more than 58 million Americans live within 50 miles of a GE nuclear reactor.
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Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#43776 Feb 21, 2014
GE dumps GLOBAL WARMING wrote:
In a watershed moment and a huge victory over environmentalists, General Electric has agreed to stop projects that are designed solely for the purpose of carbon dioxide reductions to please those who lobby for climate change concessions.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/...
Can the world’s biggest corporations act with impunity? When it comes to General Electric (GE)-- the eighth largest U.S. corporation, with $146.9 billion in sales and $13.6 billion in profits in 2012 -- the answer appears to be “yes.”

Let us begin with a small-scale case in upstate New York, where in late September 2013 GE announced that it would close its electrical capacitor plant in the town of Fort Edward. Some 200 workers will lose their jobs and, thereafter, will have little opportunity to obtain comparable wages, pensions, or even employment in this economically distressed region. Ironically, the plant has been highly profitable. Earlier in the year, the local management threw a party to celebrate a record-breaking quarter. But the high-level financial dealings of a vast multinational operation like GE are mysterious, and the company merely announced that the Fort Edward plant was “non-competitive.” The United Electrical Workers (UE), the union that has represented the workers there for the past 70 years, has already begun a vigorous campaign of resistance to the plant closing, but it is sure to be an uphill battle.

If we dig deeper into the record, a broader pattern of corporate misbehavior emerges. Indeed, the Fort Edward factory is one of two GE plants that polluted the communities at Fort Edward and nearby Hudson Falls, as well as a 197-mile stretch of the Hudson River, with 1.3 million pounds of cancer-causing PCBs for several decades. Worried about the dangers of PCBs, workers asked managers about them, and were told that these toxins were perfectly safe -- in fact, that the workers should rub the PCBs on their heads to combat baldness! When the extent of this environmental disaster began to be revealed in the 1970s, GE began a lengthy campaign to deny it and, later, a multimillion dollar public relations campaign to prevent remedial action by the Environmental Protection Administration. GE lost this battle, for the EPA insisted upon the dredging of the Hudson River and ordered GE to pay for it. Thus, the Hudson Valley became the largest Superfund cleanup site in the United States, with a project that will take decades to complete.

GE has produced other environmental disasters, as well. Three GE nuclear reactors at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power site in Japan melted down and exploded on March 31, 2011. This was the world’s worst nuclear accident in three decades, and quickly spread radioactive contamination nearly 150 miles. Indeed, the stricken reactors are still sending 300 tons a day of radioactive water flooding into the Pacific Ocean. Dr. Helen Caldicott, who has studied nuclear power for decades, has estimated that up to 3.5 million people could eventually die from cancer thanks to the Fukushima radiation release. In the late 1960s and early 1970s, when these boiling water nuclear reactors were installed, GE’s engineers and management knew that their design was flawed. But the company kept selling them to unsuspecting utilities around the world, including many in the United States. As a result, there are still 35 GE boiling water reactors operating in this country, most of them located near population centers east of the Mississippi River. Currently, in fact, more than 58 million Americans live within 50 miles of a GE nuclear reactor.
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Since: Oct 10

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#43777 Feb 21, 2014
Can the world’s biggest corporations act with impunity? When it comes to General Electric (GE)-- the eighth largest U.S. corporation, with $146.9 billion in sales and $13.6 billion in profits in 2012 -- the answer appears to be “yes.”

Let us begin with a small-scale case in upstate New York, where in late September 2013 GE announced that it would close its electrical capacitor plant in the town of Fort Edward. Some 200 workers will lose their jobs and, thereafter, will have little opportunity to obtain comparable wages, pensions, or even employment in this economically distressed region. Ironically, the plant has been highly profitable. Earlier in the year, the local management threw a party to celebrate a record-breaking quarter. But the high-level financial dealings of a vast multinational operation like GE are mysterious, and the company merely announced that the Fort Edward plant was “non-competitive.” The United Electrical Workers (UE), the union that has represented the workers there for the past 70 years, has already begun a vigorous campaign of resistance to the plant closing, but it is sure to be an uphill battle.

If we dig deeper into the record, a broader pattern of corporate misbehavior emerges. Indeed, the Fort Edward factory is one of two GE plants that polluted the communities at Fort Edward and nearby Hudson Falls, as well as a 197-mile stretch of the Hudson River, with 1.3 million pounds of cancer-causing PCBs for several decades. Worried about the dangers of PCBs, workers asked managers about them, and were told that these toxins were perfectly safe -- in fact, that the workers should rub the PCBs on their heads to combat baldness! When the extent of this environmental disaster began to be revealed in the 1970s, GE began a lengthy campaign to deny it and, later, a multimillion dollar public relations campaign to prevent remedial action by the Environmental Protection Administration. GE lost this battle, for the EPA insisted upon the dredging of the Hudson River and ordered GE to pay for it. Thus, the Hudson Valley became the largest Superfund cleanup site in the United States, with a project that will take decades to complete.

GE has produced other environmental disasters, as well. Three GE nuclear reactors at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power site in Japan melted down and exploded on March 31, 2011. This was the world’s worst nuclear accident in three decades, and quickly spread radioactive contamination nearly 150 miles. Indeed, the stricken reactors are still sending 300 tons a day of radioactive water flooding into the Pacific Ocean. Dr. Helen Caldicott, who has studied nuclear power for decades, has estimated that up to 3.5 million people could eventually die from cancer thanks to the Fukushima radiation release. In the late 1960s and early 1970s, when these boiling water nuclear reactors were installed, GE’s engineers and management knew that their design was flawed. But the company kept selling them to unsuspecting utilities around the world, including many in the United States. As a result, there are still 35 GE boiling water reactors operating in this country, most of them located near population centers east of the Mississippi River. Currently, in fact, more than 58 million Americans live within 50 miles of a GE nuclear reactor.
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#43778 Feb 21, 2014
Another important product produced by GE is the export of jobs. According to an extensive New York Times report on GE in March 2011:“Since 2002, the company has eliminated a fifth of its work force in the United States while increasing overseas employment.” By the end of 2010, another study found, 54 percent of GE’s 287,000 employees worked abroad. Not surprisingly, the company’s overseas operations in that year provided most of its total revenue. Responding to GE’s claim that it had created thousands of new jobs in the United States during the Obama administration, Chris Townsend, the political action director of the UE, produced a list of 40 U.S. plants the company closed in the country during the same period.

Townsend also noted that, even when GE kept its operations going in the United States, it slashed wages, sometimes by as much as 45 percent at a time. For example, the work of the Fort Edward plant will be moved to Clearwater, Florida, a non-union site where GE pays many workers $12 an hour and hires others through a temp agency at $8 an hour -- little more than the minimum wage.

Although technically a U.S. corporation, GE – with operations in 130 nations – apparently feels little loyalty to the United States. Jack Welch, a former GE CEO, once remarked:“Ideally, you’d have every plant you own on a barge to move with currencies and changes in the economy.” According to a Bloomberg analysis, to avoid paying U.S. taxes, GE keeps more of its profits overseas than any other U.S. company --$108 billion by the end of 2012. Most of these profits, GE declared, would be invested in its foreign business enterprises. Thanks to this tax dodge and others, GE reportedly paid an average annual U.S. corporate income tax rate of only 1.8 percent between 2002 and 2011. In 2010, when GE reported worldwide profits of $14.2 billion, it paid no U.S. corporate income tax at all. Instead, it claimed a tax benefit of $3.2 billion. This is a sweet deal for that giant corporation, for the official corporate tax rate is 35 percent.

Despite this appalling record, the U.S. government has been very generous to GE. During the financial crisis of 2008-2009, the federal government’s Temporary Liquidity Guarantee Program loaned approximately $85 billion to GE Capital, the company’s huge finance arm that accounts for roughly half of GE’s profits. GE needed the bailout because, among other reasons, GE Capital was marketing subprime mortgages, making GE the tenth-largest subprime lender in the United States. The Federal Reserve also bought $16.1 billion worth of short-term corporate i.o.u.’s from GE in late 2008, when the public market for this kind of debt had nearly frozen, and GE became one of the largest beneficiaries of this federal program. In yet a further indication of GE’s influence, President Obama appointed Jeffrey Immelt, GE’s CEO, as chair of his Council on Jobs and Competitiveness, which strategizes about how to revive America’s manufacturing base. One of Immelt’s favorite panaceas is to end taxes on the overseas profits of corporations.

Thus, it might seem that those 200 embattled workers at Fort Edward have no possibility at all of effectively challenging a corporation this wealthy and influential. But stranger things have happened in the United States -- especially when Americans have had their fill of corporate arrogance.
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#43779 Feb 21, 2014
General Electric Funds Hitler

Among the early Roosevelt fascist measures was the National Industry Recovery Act (NRA) of June 16, 1933. The origins of this scheme are worth repeating. These ideas were first suggested by Gerard Swope of the General Electric Company ... following this they were adopted by the United States Chamber of Commerce ....(Herbert Hoover, The Memoirs of Herbert Hoover: The Great Depression, 1929-1941, New York: The Macmillan Company, 1952, p. 420)

The multi-national giant General Electric has an unparalleled role in twentieth-century history. The General Electric Company electrified the Soviet Union in the 1920s and 1930s, and fulfilled for the Soviets Lenin's dictum that "Socialism = electrification."1 The Swope Plan, created by General Electric's one-time president Gerard Swope, became Franklin D. Roosevelt's New Deal, by a process deplored by one-time President Herbert Hoover and described in Wall Street and FDR.2 There was a long-lasting, intimate relationship between Swope and Young of General Electric Company and the Roosevelt family, as there was between General Electric and the Soviet Union. In 1936 Senator James A. Reed of Missouri, an early Roosevelt supporter, became aware of Roosevelt's betrayal of liberal ideas and attacked the Roosevelt New Deal program as a "tyrannical" measure "leading to despotism,[and] sought by its sponsors under the communistic cry of 'Social Justice.'" Senator Reed further charged on the floor of the Senate that Franklin D. Roosevelt was a "hired man for the economic royalists" in Wall Street and that the Roosevelt family "is one of the largest stockholders in the General Electric Company."3

As we probe into behind-the-scenes German interwar history and the story of Hitler and Naziism, we find both Owen D. Young and Gerard Swope of General Electric tied to the rise of Hitlerism and the suppression of German democracy. That General Electric directors are to be found in each of these three distinct historical categories — i.e., the development of the Soviet Union, the creation of Roosevelt's New Deal, and the rise of Hitlerism — suggests how elements of Big Business are keenly interested in the socialization of the world, for their own purposes and objectives, rather than the maintenance of the impartial market place in a free society.4 General Electric profited handsomely from Bolshevism, from Roosevelt's New Deal socialism, and, as we shall see below, from national socialism in Hitler's Germany.
Mothra

Phoenix, AZ

#43780 Feb 21, 2014
OzRitz wrote:
<quoted text>
Did you ever wonder about those living close to the Chernobyl Plant yet survived following the nuke meltdown. That's exactly the way you deniers treat the science of climate change. You pick out the survivors and declare it isn't happening. Completely ignoring the 1000's dead.
I mean they have computer models mapping the universe now, maybe they might miss a couple of planets and in the end does it really matter ? According to your lot it does, and that's why you keep coming up with these BS arguments like Al Gore says the Ice will keep melting for the next 20 yrs but if it stops at 18 he is wrong! That's pretty damn lame trying to tell us we can ignore the past as if it never happened.
Such sophistry.

True of false... computers only give out results based on what's put in them.

And citing Al Gore the global warming hypocrite?

You waste bandwidth... and pollute the atmosphere with that dreaded CO2... but since you're for the "cause", you get automatic indulgences.

What a phony.

Since: Jul 11

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#43781 Feb 22, 2014
Traffic wrote:
Global Warming? LMAO....what a joke.
I'd be worried if I was a East Coaster, the next Polar Vortex is on its way right now. Don't think for a minute you and that big a$$ truck of yours didn't help to make it happen.

Since: Jul 11

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#43782 Feb 22, 2014
Mothra wrote:
<quoted text>
Such sophistry.
True of false... computers only give out results based on what's put in them.
And citing Al Gore the global warming hypocrite?
You waste bandwidth... and pollute the atmosphere with that dreaded CO2... but since you're for the "cause", you get automatic indulgences.
What a phony.
Well don't be so sure, those new Quantum computers almost think for themselves. Can solve problems humans would take 100's of years to solve in seconds. Google has one, & the NSA along with 100's of others , don't think the climate guys wouldn't have a few as well.

http://business.time.com/2014/02/06/9-ways-qu...

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